| --- Log opened Thu Apr 24 00:00:35 2014 |
| 00:05 | < Ced23Noms> | Soren? |
| 00:05 | | Ced23Noms is now known as Ced23Ric |
| 00:05 | < Ced23Ric> | You know what's my biggest downfall? I overcomplicate things. |
| 00:19 | < Ced23Ric> | And the other downfall is my absence of a lightbox and a decent flash. |
| 00:20 | < Ced23Ric> | Probably need a macro lense, too. |
| 00:40 | < Soren> | Yeah, all good things to have. |
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| 02:14 | < kiavahr> | Oh hey, there's actually people here |
| 02:14 | < Soren> | Yeah, sort-of. |
| 02:15 | < Soren> | Weāre either sort of here or sort of people, you decide. |
| 02:16 | < kiavahr> | quick rule question then: alpha bandit, can a frame company burn a point of fuel to avoid a point of damage? I remember reading that somewhere, but I can't find it in the playtest so I'm worried I might have made it up |
| 02:16 | < Soren> | I have no fucking idea! |
| 02:16 | < Soren> | Joshua is disorganized and the rules arenāt final. |
| 02:16 | < Soren> | In general, unless I ask, he doesnāt tell me things. |
| 02:16 | < Soren> | It is frustrating. |
| 02:17 | < kiavahr> | Well, if true it makes frame companies reaaally hard to kill. I'll just keep at it and record my experiences then. |
| 02:17 | < kiavahr> | Thanks anyway! |
| 02:18 | < Soren> | NP. Wish I had a real answer. |
| 02:25 | < Soren> | Heās tried rules that didnāt work before, and discarded them when they didnāt work, so itās worth giving that input. |
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| 03:08 | < Mantisking> | Knock, knock. |
| 03:12 | < kiavahr> | Hello. I'm kinda here. |
| 03:13 | < Mantisking> | Hello. |
| 03:15 | < kiavahr> | Doing a playtest vs. myself to get a feel for the flow of the game, since I have enough stuff to technically field two fleets |
| 03:16 | < kiavahr> | My play surface is way too small, I don't have enough cover, and I can see why the required number of TAs for 1v1 is so high now |
| 03:17 | < Mantisking> | TAs? |
| 03:21 | < kiavahr> | Tactical assets |
| 03:21 | < kiavahr> | I suppose I should specify that it's alpha bandit |
| 03:39 | < Mantisking> | I kinda figured Alpha Bandit when you mentioned fleets. |
| 03:40 | < Mantisking> | We were running three TAs per person and very little cover during the Alpha Bandit demos at PAX East. |
| 03:40 | < FlakManiak> | Hey. |
| 03:41 | < FlakManiak> | I'm at that frustrating point where I'm out of photos to post but I have more frames. Not the satisfied "I've posted everything" state, but one where I can't fiddle with my frames or photograph them. |
| 03:42 | < FlakManiak> | Though the "I've posted everything" state is also kinda sad, in its own way. |
| 03:44 | < Mantisking> | Maybe you could work on something besides frames? Some fiction perhaps? |
| 03:44 | < FlakManiak> | Yeah I'm overdue for writing more background on my companies... And then not posting it. I'm not the posting writing sort. |
| 03:45 | < FlakManiak> | I think I'll do a bunch of LDD in preparation for going home for summer break, taking stock of my parts, and then ordering parts for one new frame company and a few mega builds. |
| 03:45 | < Mantisking> | Where's home? |
| 03:45 | < FlakManiak> | My ultimate frame to best gatlinggouf's Tyrant Paladin is but one of a series of giant frames. |
| 03:45 | < FlakManiak> | Lexington, MA. |
| 03:45 | < FlakManiak> | Currently I'm at school in Vermont. |
| 03:46 | < FlakManiak> | So inconveniently far from civilization. |
| 03:47 | < Mantisking> | Ah, I'm in Natick. I used to live in Lowell. |
| 03:47 | < FlakManiak> | Does Joshua live in the northeast? |
| 03:48 | < Mantisking> | I think he's out in Greenfield, MA along with Vincent. |
| 03:50 | < FlakManiak> | Hmm. Seems like it wouldn't be that hard to organize some kind of get-together in the state. |
| 03:50 | < FlakManiak> | Unrelatedly, I think I might manage to get my friends to play a game this weekend. |
| 03:51 | < FlakManiak> | Now that I have all the ingredients (minus stations which can be improvised), all I need is twoish other people for an afternoon. |
| 03:51 | < FlakManiak> | I've got at least five game-ready frame companies, terrain, dice, a paper copy of the book... |
| 03:51 | < FlakManiak> | Oh, I should make stat cards for the frames. |
| 03:51 | < FlakManiak> | Might as well. |
| 03:52 | < Mantisking> | I ended up memorizing the load-outs on all the demo units from PAX East. |
| 03:53 | < Mantisking> | Running a bunch of demos in a row might have had something to do with that. |
| 03:54 | < FlakManiak> | Yeah it's more for the other people who will want a quick reference because they didn't build and decide loadouts. Also I could do a Warmachine-style whiteboard-marker-on-card-sleeves thing to mark damage/used SSRs. |
| 03:54 | < FlakManiak> | Hmm. I should finally finish the purple guys' equipment so I can have a battle in the skies with all three of my flying companies. |
| 03:54 | < FlakManiak> | (And I should make that fourth flying company I've been meaning to. It'll have to be in dark red since 2x3 wedge plates aren't available in dark blue.) |
| 03:55 | < FlakManiak> | Color choice is as much the fickle whims of TLG as any input on my part. |
| 03:55 | < Mantisking> | Yeah, cheat cards for load-outs for new players do help. |
| 03:55 | < FlakManiak> | The purple guys were almost entirely that color because I simply was able to get the slope bricks for the backs in dark purple. |
| 03:56 | < FlakManiak> | That's really the only reason. |
| 03:57 | < FlakManiak> | I've been told that restrictions breed creativity. That's true, but I'd still like to be able to go back afterwards and lift the restrictions. |
| 03:57 | < FlakManiak> | The handle on my secret project's sword ought to be black if you ask me. The light bley works fine but black would have been better. |
| 03:59 | < Mantisking> | Sometimes you just have to make due. |
| 04:02 | < FlakManiak> | Yeah, and I'll curse the heavens for not producing the right parts in the right colors, but then after a while sitting on my dresser it's normal that this build is that way. So I suppose it's alright. |
| 04:05 | < Mantisking> | Which is why I get a kick out of people producing these amazing designs in LDD in unlimited mode. |
| 04:06 | < Mantisking> | They might as well be drawings, because they're never going to get made. |
| 04:06 | < kiavahr> | And that's why I only ever LDD things that I've already built |
| 04:12 | < FlakManiak> | Oh sure, in unlimited LDD you have to check against real parts availability. And that's made me modify some designs a little. But all the important aspects of my LDD designs make it into the brick. |
| 04:12 | < FlakManiak> | I'm thinking I might undertake building a Lego Gundam. |
| 04:13 | < FlakManiak> | It would be a very challenging project, I think. |
| 04:13 | < FlakManiak> | But a good break from 7P-scale. |
| 04:13 | < FlakManiak> | (A minifig-scale Gundam) |
| 04:13 | < FlakManiak> | I'm thinking either the Shining Gundam or one of the ones from Gundam 00. |
| 04:13 | < FlakManiak> | I'm not sure I could render the 00 mechs faithfully enough at minifig scale. |
| 04:13 | < FlakManiak> | But I love their designs. |
| 04:16 | < Mantisking> | I've been seeing some large scale Gundams in the Lego mecha Flickr groups lately. |
| 04:17 | < FlakManiak> | I remember googling for Lego Gundams back before I knew of BrickLink, and salivating, and despairing that I hadn't the parts nor the means to get the parts. Are there a lot of new builds? |
| 04:19 | < Mantisking> | http://the-mobile-frame-garage.blogspot.com/2014/04/review-30187-fast-car-polyba g.html |
| 04:19 | < Mantisking> | https://www.flickr.com/photos/65213210@N07/14004126403/in/pool-lego/ |
| 04:26 | < FlakManiak> | I want to be the kind of master mecha builder for whom designing a Gundam at minifig scale is no problem. |
| 04:26 | < FlakManiak> | So I guess I need to do a lot more designs. |
| 04:27 | < FlakManiak> | And at more different scales. |
| 04:29 | < Mantisking> | I'm happy working at microscale. |
| 04:30 | < FlakManiak> | I guess I'm never satisfied. But that's what keeps me creating things. |
| 04:31 | < Mantisking> | I keep looking for new challenges and new ways to build. Beyond a size range, you can't really pigeon-hole me. |
| 04:38 | < Mantisking> | Time to call it a night. Later. |
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| 04:44 | < FlakManiak> | I found the craziest Lego GaoGaiGar: https://www.flickr.com/photos/41324605@N02/7385898012/ |
| 04:44 | < FlakManiak> | My god. |
| 04:44 | < FlakManiak> | I've got to achieve that level of mastery. |
| 04:52 | < Soren> | You know I did a GM and a Zaku and there are instructions PDFs for both of them, right? |
| 04:53 | < Soren> | https://secure.flickr.com/photos/bricklovinfreakboy/191236647/ |
| 04:53 | < Soren> | https://secure.flickr.com/photos/bricklovinfreakboy/165116253/ |
| 04:53 | < Soren> | You could start worse places. |
| 04:54 | < Soren> | https://secure.flickr.com/photos/bricklovinfreakboy/1954782551/ Also, try this knee out. Itās very stable. |
| 04:58 | < FlakManiak> | So how does that knee flex? |
| 04:58 | < FlakManiak> | Rather, does it? |
| 04:59 | < Soren> | It does, itās stud friction inside the technic pin hole. |
| 04:59 | < Soren> | Incredibly strong. |
| 05:00 | < Soren> | So stong you can break the technic piece before the joint turns, if youāre not gentle. |
| 05:00 | < Soren> | But it makes insanely good posing possible. |
| 05:01 | < FlakManiak> | So just one of hte studs on the top 2x2 plate goes in the hole? Or what? What am I not getting here? |
| 05:04 | < Soren> | Nope, thatās it. |
| 05:04 | < Soren> | two 2L axles, not one 4L. |
| 05:05 | < FlakManiak> | So then the bit on the right would be built differently in practice, to connect to more stuff? |
| 05:05 | < FlakManiak> | Basically, is there a shot of this knee in context, so I can see how it fits in better? |
| 05:06 | < Soren> | Yeah, there are a couple |
| 05:06 | < Soren> | https://secure.flickr.com/photos/bricklovinfreakboy/8579522052/ ITās the same joint I used here. |
| 05:07 | < Soren> | https://secure.flickr.com/photos/bricklovinfreakboy/3526414204/ And here. |
| 05:07 | < Soren> | Iāve used it a lot. |
| 05:07 | < FlakManiak> | ...Oh. Now I see. The bit that had me confused was that I assumed the two 2L axles were one 4L. Alright. That clears everything up. |
| 05:07 | < Soren> | Yeah |
| 05:07 | < FlakManiak> | Agh 404'd on the last link. |
| 05:08 | < FlakManiak> | Thanks. I'll look into this knee joint. |
| 05:08 | < FlakManiak> | It might be just what I want. |
| 05:08 | < Soren> | Itās pretty cheap, and ridiculously sturdy. |
| 05:08 | < Soren> | Not great for elbows, but perfect for knees. |
| 05:08 | < FlakManiak> | Why not for elbows? Arms aren't heavy enough to warrant that kind of connection? |
| 05:09 | < Soren> | Mostly the size. If youāre doing something with gorilla arms, though, it would work. |
| 05:09 | < Soren> | https://secure.flickr.com/photos/bricklovinfreakboy/2283279914/ This elbow joint is much more elegant. |
| 05:10 | < Soren> | Pretty sure itās not mine, but I havenāt tracked down the source. |
| 05:10 | < Soren> | Anyway, Iād say those two are just good techniques to have in your toolkit if you want to get your Gundam on. |
| 05:11 | < FlakManiak> | I need to do more design experimentation and scale calculations for this project. I know that depending on which Gundam I choose, it'll be between 39 and 43 bricks tall, or so (Shining and Exia respectively), but I don't have a feel for how that relates to the size of various modules. |
| 05:11 | < FlakManiak> | I think I should also stare at Zizy and Squieu designs for a while. |
| 05:12 | < FlakManiak> | Though none of theirs are at the scale I'd be building at. |
| 05:12 | < FlakManiak> | As far as I can tell. |
| 05:12 | < Soren> | Mmm. |
| 05:13 | < Soren> | Oh, I DO have a picture of my old Gundam head design. |
| 05:14 | < Soren> | https://www.dropbox.com/s/2njlu07up5lgiun/DSCF3368.JPG |
| 05:16 | < Soren> | So itās definitely possible within this design space. Maybe not easy? But doab;e. |
| 05:16 | < Soren> | doable* |
| 05:19 | < FlakManiak> | Yeah I don't think any of the attributes I want are impossible. The only question is if it's super hard, beyond my current abilities, or way way way beyond my current abilities. |
| 05:19 | < FlakManiak> | I'm betting it's number 2 or 3. |
| 05:19 | < Soren> | Youāll never know until you try, and you can never surprise yourself if you give up first. |
| 05:19 | < FlakManiak> | But number 2 I can probably make happen if I try hard enough and do a lot of practice work. |
| 05:19 | < FlakManiak> | And I certainly intend to find out which difficulty level it is. |
| 05:20 | < Soren> | Iām tempted to try one of the 00 designs now that we have a much wider range of curve slopes. |
| 05:20 | < Soren> | Also, thereās plausibly enough medium blue now to do a Union Flag. |
| 05:21 | < Soren> | I donāt think sand blue will ever completely work, sadly, although i will probably try. |
| 05:23 | < FlakManiak> | Okay so it looks like the Shining Gundam's head should be between four and five bricks tall. |
| 05:24 | < Soren> | Honestly, if youāre measuring in bricks and not plates, youāve got enough room. |
| 05:25 | < FlakManiak> | 1.7 meter human height gets me 38 bricks tall total, then crude measurements of images get me between eight and nine heads tall for the mobile suit. |
| 05:25 | < FlakManiak> | So between 4.222 and 4.75 bricks tall for the head. |
| 05:26 | < FlakManiak> | Which then lets me try to build a head in scale and see if I can do that decently. |
| 05:27 | < Soren> | Itās definitely the place to start. |
| 05:28 | < Soren> | Once you figure out the head, youāre most of the way there. |
| 05:30 | < Soren> | Hmm. I wouldnāt mind doing a Dynames, I guess. I like the shapes. |
| 05:35 | < FlakManiak> | Ugh. I have no idea how to do this. My first attempt at some kind of thing is... Horrifying. But this is why I don't let people see WIPs. I'll come back to this later. I'll stare at more artwork, more people's designs, etc. And I'll percolate on this. And then I'll come back and kick its ass! |
| 05:39 | < Soren> | Thatās the spirit! |
| 05:41 | < FlakManiak> | Just like I had no idea how to design mobile frames until I stared at MittenNinja's blog for long enough... |
| 05:44 | < FlakManiak> | When I tried with parts from my childhood and nothing from BrickLink it was embarassingly bad, though that was substantially a parts issue. But even if I'd had loads of great parts in my hands it wouldn't have turned out well. |
| 05:46 | < FlakManiak> | I wonder if my grey caped guys should be in the air... |
| 05:46 | < FlakManiak> | I could put jets on their feet. |
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| 06:06 | | * CalaveraJoe waves |
| 06:07 | < CalaveraJoe> | Though I'm assuming everyone's well afk |
| 06:17 | < FlakManiak> | I'm not. |
| 06:17 | < FlakManiak> | I ought to be but I'm not. |
| 06:18 | < CalaveraJoe> | hehe |
| 06:18 | < CalaveraJoe> | It's nice to see that the channel is getting some more life because of 002 |
| 06:20 | < FlakManiak> | I think some is 002 and some is just hitting critical mass again. |
| 06:20 | < FlakManiak> | There've been rumblings of a revival. |
| 06:20 | < CalaveraJoe> | *nod* Yeah |
| 06:26 | < CalaveraJoe> | Well, I'm heading out. Just popped in mostly to see if my settings were still good. Getting back into things again. See folks around. |
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| 06:27 | < Soren> | Damn, just missed him. |
| 06:28 | < FlakManiak> | Okay making a Lego Gundam is too hard at the moment. I'll make an original large-scale mech and then see where that goes. |
| 06:29 | < FlakManiak> | And then maybe much later I'll have the skill needed to take on a Gundam project. |
| 06:29 | < FlakManiak> | BrickLink is the greatest advancement in human civilization. |
| 06:31 | < Soren> | I donāt know if Iād go that far, but once you figure it out, it does open up new vistas of fun. |
| 06:32 | < Soren> | āMan, I wonder what I could do with a hundred of these.ā |
| 06:32 | < Soren> | āWAIT, I HAVE $20 AND AN ACCOUNT ON BRICKLINK. LETāS GO FIND OUT.ā |
| 06:34 | < FlakManiak> | For me it was about reasonable parts acquisition at all. I couldn't have made any of my designs without it. Getting parts from sets would have been prohibitively expensive and wouldn't have gotten me anywhere near what I wanted. |
| 06:34 | < FlakManiak> | But I use a LOT of specific parts and I'm VERY particular. |
| 06:34 | < Soren> | Yep. |
| 06:35 | < Soren> | For me, it totally decouples parts from set prices, which makes whole realms of fun and cool stuff possible. |
| 06:35 | < FlakManiak> | I guess my kind of excess is only possible in a world of BrickLink. I'm glad I live in such a world. |
| 06:35 | < Soren> | If PaB were about a hundred times more varied, it would replace Bricklink. |
| 06:36 | < Soren> | As excess goes, itās pretty restrained. |
| 06:36 | < Soren> | I spend less and I get more of what I want. |
| 06:37 | < FlakManiak> | You mean online PaB, or the walls? |
| 06:38 | < Soren> | The walls. Online isnāt worth it. |
| 06:38 | < Soren> | But Bricklink, too. |
| 06:38 | < FlakManiak> | Walls are great when they have parts I want. But... That's a crapshoot. I'm not the "get parts and see" type as much as the "I know just what I want to build and I have the LDD right here" type. |
| 06:39 | < Soren> | Yeah, iām more ecumenical. |
| 06:39 | < Soren> | Some parts, i grab when theyāre available just because the PaB price is so much better. |
| 06:43 | < FlakManiak> | I need to trek out to the Lego stores near my house other than the Burlington mall. |
| 06:43 | < FlakManiak> | There are four about equidistant from my house. |
| 06:43 | < FlakManiak> | But I've only ever been to one of them. |
| 06:44 | < Soren> | Yeah, they have Travis bricks at my local again, so I got a cup. |
| 06:44 | < Soren> | Then i got another cup. |
| 06:44 | < Soren> | If they still have them the next time I go, Iāll probably get another cup. |
| 06:44 | < Soren> | I can find uses for them. |
| 06:45 | < Soren> | Ditto 1x1 round tiles. |
| 06:45 | < FlakManiak> | I could probably use a bigger Travis stockpile. I'm not about to run out, but I gave a total of 150 to friends and I feel like if I make a bunch more companies I will run out. |
| 06:45 | < FlakManiak> | 1x1 round tiles are sick. I wish they had those in the '90s when I was growing up. |
| 06:45 | < Soren> | yeah, I have a bag. |
| 06:45 | < Soren> | In general, if itās been in PaB since i got back to the states and itās tiny, i have a bag. It may not be a big bag, but a bag. |
| 06:46 | < Soren> | I have some plans for later. |
| 06:46 | < FlakManiak> | Plans, you say. |
| 06:46 | < Soren> | Yeah. Landscaping plans. |
| 06:46 | < FlakManiak> | Anyway I've gotta watch some Guilty Gear and then sleep. I'll see you around. |
| 06:46 | < Soren> | Those all sound like solid ideas. |
| 06:46 | < Soren> | Night. |
| 06:47 | < FlakManiak> | Maybe I can get ahold of a camera here at school and photo my terrain. Who knows. Anyway, later. |
| 06:47 | < Soren> | later |
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| 11:55 | < pirate> | using the lego digital designer for the first time in a long time |
| 11:56 | < pirate> | where should I search for T connectors |
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| 18:35 | < CalaveraJoe> | Whoops, wrong button! |
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| 19:06 | < Mantisking> | And it appears the chat has gone to sleep again. |
| 19:06 | | Soren[Away] is now known as Soren |
| 19:07 | < Soren> | Just resting. |
| 19:07 | < Soren> | When in doubt, throw out some bait and see if anyone bites. |
| 19:07 | < Mantisking> | Tired from Ced talking your ear off? |
| 19:08 | < Soren> | No, I actually like talking to him ;) |
| 19:08 | < Soren> | Believe it or not. |
| 19:08 | < Soren> | Joshua is the one who wears me out |
| 19:08 | < Mantisking> | It just looked tiring following all that text. |
| 19:08 | < Soren> | Heās got very poor ego boundaries and externalizes a lot of his coping mechanisms. |
| 19:08 | < Soren> | Oh, well, thereās your problem. |
| 19:08 | < Mantisking> | Yeah, Joshua can be a little intense. |
| 19:09 | < Soren> | I donāt follow all of it, i just skim and respond to the general thrust. |
| 19:09 | < Mantisking> | Ah. |
| 19:11 | < Soren> | It helps that I donāt have any emotional investment in it. |
| 19:14 | < Mantisking> | True. |
| 19:16 | < Mantisking> | So how are you doing today? |
| 19:16 | < Soren> | Pretty good. A little tired. |
| 19:20 | < Mantisking> | I was doing okay until the end of lunch. Now I'm kinda wiped out. |
| 19:21 | < Mantisking> | I was having fun with a Single Set Challenge. |
| 19:30 | < Soren> | I should do one of those. |
| 19:31 | < Soren> | Itās been a while since I bought sets, and my impulse is usually to sort them immediately. |
| 19:32 | < Mantisking> | One of the loveseats in our living room is covered in sets I'm waiting to review. |
| 19:33 | < Mantisking> | The SSC I'm working on is the Kre-O Mirage set #31145. |
| 20:07 | < Mantisking> | Ugh, this work thing is getting old. |
| 20:21 | < FlakManiak> | Hmm. Maybe I should get some Legend Beasts or something. |
| 20:21 | < FlakManiak> | But... I don't really need more parts right now. |
| 20:22 | < FlakManiak> | And sets for parts won't do it for the new designs I have. |
| 20:22 | < FlakManiak> | I mean they might spawn even newer designs... |
| 20:22 | < FlakManiak> | Which would mean even more BrickLink. |
| 20:26 | < FlakManiak> | Damn. This one connection won't work. |
| 20:29 | < Mantisking> | What connection? |
| 20:31 | < FlakManiak> | I wanted to attach a 2x2 corner plate to a 2x3 plate. The elbow of the corner plate would attach to one of the studs in the middle row of the 2x3 plate, and so the ends of the corner plate would be at 45 degree angles. But it was not to be. |
| 20:34 | < Mantisking> | I'm not quite sure what a 2x2 Corner Plate is. |
| 20:34 | < FlakManiak> | The 2x2 plate with one corner missing. Elbow plate, I guess? This one: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=2420 |
| 20:38 | < FlakManiak> | Okay, there we go. |
| 20:39 | < FlakManiak> | A slight reengineering and it works. |
| 20:39 | < Mantisking> | Ah, okay. My brain sees it as a bent 1x3. |
| 20:44 | < FlakManiak> | Damn. I can't build The Knee in LDD. |
| 20:44 | < FlakManiak> | Curse you and your lack of stud-to-pin-holder and pin-to-anti-stud support! |
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| 20:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren. |
| 20:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Starsector is addictive and cruel. |
| 20:54 | < Soren> | Yeah it is. |
| 20:54 | < Ced23Ric> | The larger my fleet becomes, the more people run away from me. |
| 20:54 | < Soren> | Also high. |
| 20:54 | < Ced23Ric> | The only thing not pissing their pants when I come around is the Plunder Fleet. |
| 20:54 | < Soren> | erm, high-stress. |
| 20:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Nah, I just kill everything. |
| 20:55 | < Soren> | If youāre like me and having an aesthetically-pleasing fleet is important to you. |
| 20:55 | < Ced23Ric> | My fleet is a complete band of elite murderhobos. |
| 20:55 | < Soren> | It totally is. |
| 20:55 | < Ced23Ric> | My fleet's 3 cruisers, 1 light cruiser, 1 fast fleet carrier, and 3 fighter wings. |
| 20:55 | < Ced23Ric> | My carry capacity is enough for one loot run. |
| 20:55 | < Soren> | You can double up on fighters for that, BTW. |
| 20:56 | < Ced23Ric> | I am struggling to get my logistics up, so I can get a super freighter. |
| 20:56 | < Soren> | 3 wings per flight deck is a good rule for unsheilded fighters. |
| 20:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Because these constant shop runs kill me. |
| 20:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh? |
| 20:56 | < Ced23Ric> | I have 2 flight decks, and 2 wings are shielded. |
| 20:56 | < Soren> | Itās actually better to get a bunch of Buffaloes. |
| 20:56 | < Soren> | Then you could probably expand that to 8. |
| 20:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Holy crap, that's a lot of fighters. |
| 20:56 | < Soren> | The superfreighter slows your fleet down too much. |
| 20:56 | < Soren> | IT is. |
| 20:57 | < Soren> | It will murder everything up the butt with extreme prejudice. |
| 20:57 | < Ced23Ric> | I am just using them for fast capturing and then defense against strike craft. |
| 20:57 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, my cruisers already do that. |
| 20:57 | < Ced23Ric> | I can down a buffalo in 2.5 seconds. |
| 20:57 | < Ced23Ric> | (Which is why I am wary of using those.) |
| 20:57 | < Soren> | Yeah, but fighters are incredibly fast and hardy. |
| 20:57 | < Ced23Ric> | I have ... 1 aptitude in combat. |
| 20:57 | < Soren> | especially if you fill them with elite crew. |
| 20:57 | < Ced23Ric> | Rest is fleet and tech. |
| 20:58 | < Ced23Ric> | Like, 7 fleet, 6 tech. |
| 20:58 | < Ced23Ric> | I don't see why I would boost combat - only benefits one ship. |
| 20:58 | < Soren> | Thatās usually how I do it. |
| 20:58 | < Soren> | Well. |
| 20:58 | < Soren> | Most of it does. |
| 20:58 | < Ced23Ric> | Tech is quite across the board. |
| 20:58 | < Soren> | Once you get Ordnance Expertise to ten, you get a sweet bonus. |
| 20:59 | < Ced23Ric> | It's a great game. |
| 20:59 | < Ced23Ric> | I just don't know what to murder anymore. |
| 20:59 | < Soren> | But generally, yes. |
| 20:59 | < Soren> | Try the Hegemony Defense Fleet. |
| 20:59 | < Soren> | Itās a workout. |
| 20:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Still a little tough. |
| 20:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Their battleship eat me for breakfast. |
| 20:59 | < Ced23Ric> | And they overload my shields quicker than I can get into range. No bueno. |
| 21:00 | < Ced23Ric> | But I'll try to work up my fleet to that point. |
| 21:00 | < Soren> | Definitely get more fighters. |
| 21:00 | < Soren> | Also, load up on destroyers. |
| 21:00 | < FlakManiak> | So if I'm running an MFZ game for people who haven't really played before, what kinds of companies should I have? Would having equal frames/systems make things not as good? Would that give a first-player advantage or something? |
| 21:00 | < Ced23Ric> | Time to fly over to that place where those are. |
| 21:00 | < FlakManiak> | Or a last-player advantage? |
| 21:01 | < Ced23Ric> | destroyers, eh? |
| 21:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Sorry, I'll shut it about Starsector. |
| 21:01 | < Soren> | Hang on a sec. |
| 21:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Flak: Soren has a decent setp. |
| 21:02 | < FlakManiak> | Also do you recommend particular system loadouts, in addition to having a recommended number of frames/systems per player? |
| 21:02 | < FlakManiak> | Maybe I should do two frames per player or something? |
| 21:03 | < Soren> | Two per player works great. |
| 21:03 | < Soren> | one of each system. |
| 21:03 | < Soren> | one HtH, one Direct, ruler at 6 instead of 8. |
| 21:03 | < Mantisking> | The demo I ran at PAX East was 2 frames per player, choosing from three. |
| 21:04 | < Mantisking> | One HtH team, one Direct Fire team, One Artillery/Direct team. |
| 21:10 | < FlakManiak> | So Soren you'd say one soldier configuration, and one soldier with a different weapon type? |
| 21:10 | < FlakManiak> | Rather, two soldiers, but with whatever weapon? |
| 21:10 | < Soren> | Yeah, but HtH/Direct was the best split, we found. |
| 21:11 | < Soren> | Letting people choose was confusing and didnāt really improve it as a teaching environment. |
| 21:12 | < FlakManiak> | One station in the middle? One per person? |
| 21:13 | < FlakManiak> | Stations stay controlled even if you leave, until someone else gets near them, right? Hence the need for flags? |
| 21:13 | < FlakManiak> | I guess I need to make flags for my companies. |
| 21:13 | < FlakManiak> | Also proper stations. |
| 21:14 | < Soren> | Weāve been using one in the middle, but one each wouldnāt break anything. |
| 21:14 | < Soren> | Might be more confusing or make things take slightly longer.. |
| 21:17 | < Mantisking> | One in the middle works just fine and gives people something to fight over. |
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| 21:22 | < Mantisking> | Did we chase him off? |
| 21:23 | < Ced23Ric> | Maybe. D: |
| 21:28 | < Soren> | Itās possible. |
| 21:29 | < Mantisking> | That was a bit of information overload. |
| 21:41 | < Soren> | Just a bit. |
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| 21:49 | < FlakManiak> | The supposed 4x4 dimensions of stations are really cramping my style. |
| 21:50 | < Soren> | Yeah. Itās awkward. |
| 21:52 | < FlakManiak> | So I think I'll ignore the official 4x4 and make mine 6x6 or so. |
| 22:03 | < Ced23Ric> | ONLY IF YOU DECLARE THAT 2X2 EXTRA TERRAIN. *Joshua* |
| 22:06 | < FlakManiak> | Yeah I'm all for well-defined standardized areas for things... So maybe I just make 'em all 8x8 octagonal plates, and you can't move onto the plate. |
| 22:07 | < Soren> | I like 6x6 octagonal, actually. |
| 22:07 | < Soren> | It works pretty well, and that little extra bit of room makes all the difference. |
| 22:07 | < FlakManiak> | Yeah 6x6 octagonal would be fine too. I'd been forgetting about the 6x3 half-octagons. |
| 22:07 | < Mantisking> | I think the aim for the 4x4 Station might be "tell 'em smaller so they build the size I really want". |
| 22:08 | < Mantisking> | To prevent people from dropping 12x24 spaceships, etc. on the field as |
| 22:08 | < Mantisking> | Stations. |
| 22:09 | < Mantisking> | {* shrug *} Kinda like telling someone to show up half an hour before you really want them there so they show up on time. |
| 22:09 | < FlakManiak> | Could be. |
| 22:12 | < Mantisking> | Alright, I'm done with this work thing so I'm heading to class. Catch you all later. |
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| 22:31 | < FlakManiak> | Well I'm not quite as shit at designing large-scale mecha now. I'm knee-deep in a head design that only embarrasses me a bit. |
| 22:31 | < FlakManiak> | So that's good progress. |
| 22:32 | < FlakManiak> | Been studying others' Lego Gundams. |
| 22:32 | < FlakManiak> | Lots of good build techniques. |
| 22:32 | < Soren> | Itās why I built them, to learn new tricks. |
| 22:34 | < FlakManiak> | It's all about learning new stuff. I mean the builds themselves are great. But the feeling of mastery is at least as important. I think that most of the reason I like to have my builds around is so I can feel great about having built them. If they weren't my designs I'd feel a bit hollow when looking at them. |
| 22:35 | < Soren> | Yeah. I still have some favorites together that Iāve had for years, like the Fuchikoma. |
| 22:36 | < Soren> | Which, honestly, needs a redesign. |
| 22:38 | < FlakManiak> | Damn. These Lego Gundam builders are so advanced. It will take me a long time to get on their level. But I have something to strive for. |
| 22:41 | < FlakManiak> | I think this is gonna be a passable first draft. |
| 22:41 | < FlakManiak> | Then once I finish this draft, I need to start again and use completely different techniques. |
| 22:41 | < FlakManiak> | And then do it again and again, with different building styles each time. |
| 22:42 | < FlakManiak> | And only once I've mastered a ton of different things will I be ready to actually build this. |
| 22:42 | < FlakManiak> | Well, actually design this. |
| 22:42 | < FlakManiak> | And then order parts and actually build it. |
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