| --- Log opened Wed Jun 27 00:00:02 2012 |
| --- Day changed Wed Jun 27 2012 |
| 00:00 | < carbonbass> | heya |
| 00:00 | < Mantisking> | Hey. |
| 00:01 | | Tetrajak [NSwebIRC@Nightstar-dfb1dc88.nztrans.co.nz] has joined #mf0 |
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| 00:01 | <+Tetrajak> | heya people |
| 00:01 | < Mantisking> | Hey TJ. |
| 00:06 | <+Tetrajak> | MK, I always read your username as Man Tsking |
| 00:06 | <+Tetrajak> | I know it's Mantis King |
| 00:06 | <+Tetrajak> | but I can't help seeing it otherwise |
| 00:08 | < carbonbass> | He tisks, therefore he is |
| 00:09 | < Mantisking> | Heh. One or two other people have said that. |
| 00:12 | < Mantisking> | Man, are people getting pissy on the Hangar or what? |
| 00:15 | < carbonbass> | Heh? |
| 00:16 | < Mantisking> | The whole cover debate is a little histrionic. |
| 00:17 | < carbonbass> | I'm just not sure why you would want to play MF0 will hills. |
| 00:17 | < Mantisking> | The world is flat! |
| 00:18 | < carbonbass> | It just slows games down IMO |
| 00:18 | < carbonbass> | Elevation is great, little buildings and stuff |
| 00:18 | < Mantisking> | And where did this whole idea of "ambush" come from? |
| 00:19 | < carbonbass> | I hadn't seen that, what's the deal with "ambush"? |
| 00:19 | < carbonbass> | is it kind of like overwatch? |
| 00:19 | < Mantisking> | People keep talking about attacking from ambush and I have no idea of what they are talking about. |
| 00:20 | < afny> | it's the concept of placing your frames outside the defense perimeter as the defender |
| 00:20 | < afny> | as in, after everyone has placed their frames and you get to place yours |
| 00:21 | < afny> | you put them in a position to attack immediately, as opposed to within the defensive perimeter |
| 00:21 | < afny> | because you place your frames after the attackers, the "surprise" factor translates to the term ambush. |
| 00:22 | < afny> | I do understand their confusion now, but the question didn't get framed coherently until everyone was already riled up |
| 00:22 | <+Tetrajak> | sorry guys, the ambush thing is kind of my fault |
| 00:22 | <+Tetrajak> | I was the one who mentioned it in one of my sims |
| 00:23 | < Mantisking> | Except the Defender can place a mech inside his defensive perimeter and still be ready to attack immediately. |
| 00:24 | < afny> | this is the problem with using words to mean something super specific when the rules do not define the word as such |
| 00:24 | < afny> | (and why I don't like codified names for dicebuilds) |
| 00:24 | < Mantisking> | :D |
| 00:25 | <+Tetrajak> | I'm with you there |
| 00:25 | < Mantisking> | You're going to have to blame J for that. |
| 00:25 | <+Tetrajak> | I used the term because it seemed fitting that after the offense had placed, he defense then placed HtH right up close to the offense (due to a misunderstanding I had of the rules) |
| 00:27 | < afny> | the term is fitting, but it it doesn't replace an explicit description of the situation |
| 00:27 | <+Tetrajak> | very true |
| 00:28 | <+Tetrajak> | I didn't think much of it at the time |
| 00:28 | < afny> | I wouldn't worry about it |
| 00:28 | < afny> | I highly doubt anyone's jimmies were actually rustled |
| 00:30 | < carbonbass> | I heard the slight sounds of soft rustling, but no no full blown jimmy unhinging |
| 00:31 | < Mantisking> | What has this got to do with a topping for ice cream? :P |
| 00:31 | < carbonbass> | Everything. |
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| 00:39 | < CaGeRit> | Is there any amusing convsersation to be found here? |
| 00:39 | <~McMartin> | never |
| 00:39 | < CaGeRit> | Good. |
| 00:39 | < CaGeRit> | I hate that shit. |
| 00:48 | < carbonbass> | Yaaar, we all be far too serious to be gettin inta all them fun shenanigans, arrrggg. |
| 00:48 | < CaGeRit> | You be hunting the white whale? |
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| 00:49 | < Mantisking> | Hey Soren. |
| 00:49 | < carbonbass> | If that's what the cool kids be calling it these days |
| 00:56 | < Mantisking> | Alright, I'm going to go build. I came up with a few designs today while bored at work. |
| 00:57 | < carbonbass> | I've been sitting here working on a Hi-Leg redux, but I'm just not happy with it |
| 00:57 | < Mantisking> | I came up with another set of legs, and a head design that can double as a foot. |
| 00:58 | < carbonbass> | I've gotten pretty good at doing legs. Torsos on the other hand... |
| 00:58 | < carbonbass> | Also, head that doubles as a foot? |
| 00:59 | < carbonbass> | Can't wait to see that |
| 01:00 | < Mantisking> | Yeah, just change the orientation. |
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| 02:16 | < MoF0-9326> | Anyone know of Mars Daybreak is worth watching? |
| 02:16 | | MoF0-9326 is now known as Mantisking |
| 02:17 | <@Soren> | I saw a couple episodes a while ago and it seemed nonbad. |
| 02:17 | <@Soren> | great mecha. |
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| 02:18 | < Mantisking> | Kinda what I'm looking for, a decent show with good visuals for inspiration. |
| 02:23 | < carbonbass> | Looking for something more Gundamy or MechWarriory? |
| 02:24 | < Mantisking> | Gundam. |
| 02:24 | < Mantisking> | Not really a fan of the Mechwarrior thing. |
| 02:24 | < carbonbass> | Been keeping up with Unicorn? |
| 02:25 | < afny> | Hey |
| 02:25 | < afny> | finally someone else team Gundam |
| 02:25 | <@Soren> | I don't think you can reasonably recommend Unicorn to someone who isn't very, very familiar with UC Gundam. |
| 02:25 | < carbonbass> | True |
| 02:25 | <@Soren> | I mean, it's watchable. But they're not going to get what we're getting out of it. |
| 02:25 | < afny> | I'm afraid of it. I'm rewatching the UC stuff I have seen and am going to watch the stuff I haven't before even starting it. |
| 02:27 | < carbonbass> | all of 0079 (Mobile Suit Gundam) is on Youtube with the good dub (if you're into dubs), as is Zeta Gundam |
| 02:27 | < carbonbass> | Really easy to burn though them that way |
| 02:28 | < afny> | I did the movie cuts of first gundam this time around |
| 02:28 | < afny> | I'd only seen the eps |
| 02:28 | < afny> | and I'm about half way through zeta currently |
| 02:29 | < afny> | Mantis, do you have a ps2? |
| 02:29 | < carbonbass> | I'm never quite sure how I feel about Zeta. Everyone calls it the best Gundam series, but something about it has always bugged me. |
| 02:29 | <@Soren> | I hold the totally unpopular position that you could cut Zeta down to 26 episodes and it would be better. |
| 02:29 | < carbonbass> | I would agree |
| 02:29 | < afny> | How is that position unpopular |
| 02:29 | < afny> | it toootally improved first gundam |
| 02:30 | <@Soren> | 30, maybe, if you had to leave some stuff in. |
| 02:30 | < carbonbass> | Maybe take a bit of the "suit of the week" aspect out of it too |
| 02:30 | <@Soren> | well, Zeta has two problems. |
| 02:30 | < afny> | A NEW MODEL?! |
| 02:30 | <@Soren> | #1 is that there are long middle stretches where the plot isn't advancing. |
| 02:30 | < afny> | MAYBE WHEN YOU DEFEAT THE MK 2. AHHH, MAYBE WHEN YOU DEFEAT THE ZETA GUNDAM. |
| 02:30 | <@Soren> | #2 is that it has a bunch of ongoing plot threads that just never get resolved in ZZ. |
| 02:31 | <@Soren> | So it feels like a huge cocktease. |
| 02:31 | <@Soren> | But the good moments are spectacular. |
| 02:31 | < afny> | Wasn't ZZ supposed to be a direct sequel with the same cast? |
| 02:31 | < carbonbass> | yeah |
| 02:31 | < carbonbass> | @ soren |
| 02:31 | < afny> | yeah I figured |
| 02:32 | <@Soren> | ZZ was supposed to be Char's Counterattack, actually. |
| 02:32 | <+Tetrajak> | Zeta is merely a trailer for ZZ? |
| 02:32 | < afny> | No, ZZ doesn't have any of the same protags |
| 02:32 | <@Soren> | Then they got the greenlight for the movie and it kinda fell apart. |
| 02:32 | < afny> | well I'm okay with that I guess, because Char's Counterattack is so good. |
| 02:33 | < Mantisking> | I've seen one scene from Unicorn. |
| 02:33 | <@Soren> | Even more unpopular position: you could edit both Zeta and ZZ into one thing of 36 episodes, and also miss nothing. |
| 02:33 | < Mantisking> | I don't have a PS2. |
| 02:34 | < afny> | Damn. |
| 02:34 | <@Soren> | You have an internet. That fixes everything. |
| 02:34 | < afny> | True, but emulators are a hassle. Yeah, you can just look at wikis and screencaps/LPs, but it isn't the same. |
| 02:34 | < Mantisking> | I've seen Char's Counterattack. |
| 02:34 | < Mantisking> | I own War in the Pocket. |
| 02:35 | < carbonbass> | Oh lord I just finally got around to that one a couple months ago. |
| 02:36 | < carbonbass> | Great suits in that |
| 02:37 | < carbonbass> | Soren, would you keep the Four/HugeAssGundam plot in your Zeta cut? That was always something that really detracted from the progression of the overall plot. |
| 02:37 | <@Soren> | hell yes I would. |
| 02:38 | < afny> | See, rewatching it |
| 02:38 | <@Soren> | It doesn;t need to go, it needs to be trimmed for length and emotional impact. |
| 02:38 | < afny> | I thought Four was the biggest emotional punch in the series up to that point |
| 02:38 | < Mantisking> | I want to get the complete series of Stardust Memories. |
| 02:38 | < carbonbass> | GAAAATTTOOOOOO (sorry, had to) |
| 02:39 | < Mantisking> | O_O |
| 02:39 | < afny> | really everything that happens on Earth after the Jaburo raid is good, I think |
| 02:40 | <@Soren> | yeah, it doesn't start to stall until after that. |
| 02:40 | < afny> | Directly after that... |
| 02:40 | < afny> | ANOTHER NEW MODEL!? |
| 02:40 | < carbonbass> | God damn new models |
| 02:40 | < carbonbass> | One nice thing, is in Unicorn a lot of those Zeta models are showing up and they made them sexy as hell. |
| 02:41 | < afny> | You're 14 and this is crazy, but pilot my new model in its combat debut maybe? |
| 02:41 | < carbonbass> | lool |
| 02:41 | < afny> | Also, like, by the time the fifth mobile armor transforms behind someone |
| 02:41 | < afny> | and they yell HENKEI |
| 02:42 | < afny> | it's like, shit, you think they'd learn. |
| 02:42 | < afny> | IF IT FLIES AROUND BUT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A PLANE, IT'S GONNA TRANSFORM. |
| 02:42 | < Mantisking> | I'm making dinner, building, and watching Cowboy Bebop. But this conversation is still cool. |
| 02:43 | < carbonbass> | How do you all feel about The 8th MS Team? |
| 02:43 | <+Tetrajak> | *resists urge to troll gundam fans* |
| 02:43 | <@Soren> | it falls kind of flat for me. |
| 02:43 | < afny> | I like it, but I haven't seen it in a long time |
| 02:43 | <@Soren> | no, go for it. it might be funny. |
| 02:44 | < afny> | I'm pretty sure you've tried to troll us before, but then you admit to having seen something like only the first 10 episodes of first gundam |
| 02:44 | < afny> | and we just STONEWALL YOU. |
| 02:45 | < carbonbass> | The story for 8th MS team falls flat for me, but I love the suits. |
| 02:45 | <@Soren> | Yeah, the thing is... they never managed to establish stakes in a way that made me care. |
| 02:45 | < carbonbass> | Pretty much |
| 02:46 | <@Soren> | Okay, yes, secret project, potential scariness... but, on a personal level, those stakes never connect. |
| 02:46 | < carbonbass> | Except for Norris Packard. |
| 02:46 | <@Soren> | Well, yeah, and you see what, something like fifteen minutes of him total across the whole thing. |
| 02:47 | <@Soren> | So they proved they could do it, and then just didn't use that character at all. |
| 02:47 | < carbonbass> | Yep |
| 02:47 | < carbonbass> | Not until the end anyways. |
| 02:48 | <@Soren> | Stardust Memory is kind of a mess, but they did a great job of making the abstract political goals line up with the concrete personal motivations of the characters. |
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| 02:48 | < carbonbass> | This is very true. |
| 02:48 | <@Soren> | That's kind of the definition of 'good Gundam', when you're forced to pick sides because otherwise bad shit happens to the people you care about. |
| 02:49 | <@Soren> | Also, I dislike it when bad people do bad things because they're crazy. |
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| 02:50 | <@Soren> | that's not convincing moral conflict. That's a phone call to a psych ward that should have happened years ago. |
| 02:50 | < carbonbass> | Can't identify or connect on an emotional level with a crazy person |
| 02:50 | <@Soren> | no, I am crazy, i get it. I just don't buy it as a motivation. |
| 02:50 | < afny> | First gundam does a great job of lampshading that, though |
| 02:51 | <@Soren> | it should be 'crazy AND' not 'crazy THEREFORE'. |
| 02:51 | < afny> | always believable antagonists, and the one time you're about to get a crazy evil guy be crazy and evil because he's crazy |
| 02:51 | < afny> | BAM, fratricide. |
| 02:52 | < afny> | also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaI1iBw0K64 |
| 02:53 | < carbonbass> | Dmmnit Luther |
| 02:56 | < carbonbass> | I have a series that mecha loving people need to just stay away from, Blue Gender. One of those shows that promises so much yet delivers nothing. |
| 02:57 | <@Soren> | It delivered lols. |
| 02:57 | <@Soren> | It delivers a lot of drunken, goofy lols. |
| 02:58 | <@Soren> | Possibly even some lulz and the odd roffle. |
| 02:58 | < carbonbass> | Ok yeah it does that |
| 02:58 | <~McMartin> | I should see if I can convince one of the guys elsenet to republish his "Legend of Galactic Heroes Minor Character Survival Guide" |
| 02:58 | < carbonbass> | loool |
| 02:58 | <~McMartin> | (If you have a crush, TELL THEM before you blast off - enemy weapons systems can clearly track unrequited love) |
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| 03:00 | <~McMartin> | (Try to avoid commanding officers that the other side calls by their last name or rank. First name is pretty good, but if they just call him "HIM" or "THAT MAN" you have struck solid gold) |
| 03:00 | <~McMartin> | (etc) |
| 03:01 | <@Soren> | yeah. |
| 03:01 | <~McMartin> | One also must strike a careful balance in level of characterization - too little and you're an expendable redshirt, but too much and you risk becoming a poignant example of the grim futility of war |
| 03:01 | <@Soren> | Also, if you're not an FPA soldiers and those angry guys with the red patches on their shoulders show up, make sure your fucking will is up to date. |
| 03:11 | <@Soren> | And, you know, avoid empty triumphalism like the plague. I don't know what kind of detector is sensitive to that, but it lays the hurt right on target every time. |
| 03:11 | <~McMartin> | I think that falls under the "Oh The Futility Of War" clause, which LoGH cranks up to 12 or 13. |
| 03:12 | <@Soren> | well, yeah. |
| 03:13 | <@Soren> | It's just funny. Laser-guided karma is a bitch. |
| 03:18 | < carbonbass> | I finally did it, I went to the local hardware store where they just replaced all their nut/washer trays. and bought 15 of the less beat up Serv-a-lite trays for a buck apiece. Finally going to sort my MF0 legos |
| 03:19 | <@Soren> | excellent. |
| 03:27 | <@Soren> | https://secure.flickr.com/photos/78238212@N02/7451410868/ in related news, this is pretty brilliant. |
| 03:28 | < afny> | yeah, really want to see that in the brick |
| 03:28 | < afny> | I like that guy's stuff in general, even when he was building with suuuper limited bricks |
| 03:28 | <@Soren> | yeah |
| 03:29 | < carbonbass> | I saw that earlier, but he hadn't put a description on it, so I had no idea what it was. Very cool looking. |
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| 03:35 | < Mantisking> | Boo? |
| 03:36 | < afny> | o/ |
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| 03:41 | < Mantisking> | :'( |
| 03:41 | < afny> | quick, let's talk about Bebop so he misses out on COOL SHIT. |
| 03:41 | < afny> | Make him regret his rash decision to disconnect. |
| 03:45 | < Mantisking> | So the mech I built yesterday fits inside Soren's 10x10x12 design box. |
| 03:46 | <@Soren> | well yay |
| 03:46 | < afny> | get any pics yet? |
| 03:48 | < Mantisking> | Didn't get home in time today. Maybe Thursday. |
| 03:48 | < Mantisking> | I also built two sets of legs today. |
| 03:48 | < afny> | I really want to make a frame with those droid head fists |
| 03:50 | < Mantisking> | Yeah, that looks really cool. |
| 03:53 | < Mantisking> | It might look a little better if it had a thumb though. |
| 03:53 | < afny> | yeah, I figure a droid arm on a bar plate would be perfect |
| 03:53 | < afny> | I'm going to combine that mech's hand and that popular wyrk wyze oversized hand |
| 03:54 | < Mantisking> | Just put the thumb on the other end of the droid torso. |
| 03:54 | < afny> | I feel like that would look too long |
| 03:54 | < Mantisking> | I've got a hand design sitting in my tablescraps box that I've been wanting to use. |
| 03:55 | < afny> | i've been all about leg designs lately |
| 03:55 | < Mantisking> | I'm better with legs than I am with arms, so I've got a bunch. |
| 03:56 | < afny> | I've just been doing a lot of riffs on two basic ideas from zizy's frames |
| 03:56 | < afny> | and adding different kinds of articulation and stuff to the ankle/foot |
| 03:57 | < Mantisking> | We've noticed. :P |
| 03:57 | < afny> | heh |
| 03:57 | < afny> | I ain't ashamed |
| 03:57 | < Mantisking> | Nothin' to be ashamed of. |
| 03:59 | < afny> | the only thing I've got that I really am happy with right now |
| 03:59 | < afny> | is the two reversed bar plates just attached to eachother |
| 04:00 | < afny> | with tap/tile clip ankles |
| 04:00 | < afny> | it's so sturdy and has about the same proportions as most of the stock SC frames |
| 04:00 | < afny> | and it doesn't use any hinge plates |
| 04:00 | < afny> | so I could make a lot of them |
| 04:04 | < afny> | gah, now I want to build frames |
| 04:04 | < Mantisking> | Dooo Iiiitt. |
| 04:04 | < afny> | I didn't get very far with terrain today |
| 04:06 | <+Tetrajak> | I know that feel afny |
| 04:06 | <+Tetrajak> | the only thing I'm pleased with currently is my Venus |
| 04:07 | < Mantisking> | The last terrain I did was a touch up on the FLW Building. |
| 04:07 | < afny> | I was going to make the aphro my mass production frame for that company but I just thought it was too big to have eight of |
| 04:08 | < afny> | really though, I don't consider the aphro as much of an original design as the smaller ones with the AF style core |
| 04:11 | < afny> | er, AFI* |
| 04:12 | < Mantisking> | I've got one of those tucked away in my "Copy" box. |
| 04:13 | < afny> | I just really can't get enough of the ring plate/bar plate centric designs |
| 04:13 | < afny> | I like them because you can leave the guts exposed, or not, as you choose |
| 04:13 | < afny> | and it looks good either way |
| 04:14 | < Mantisking> | I prefer his Proto frame. |
| 04:14 | < afny> | that's still pretty ring/bar heavy |
| 04:14 | < afny> | I haven't looked at it too closely |
| 04:14 | < afny> | it has a 5way in the hip, right? |
| 04:14 | < Mantisking> | Sway? |
| 04:15 | < afny> | travis |
| 04:15 | < afny> | 5stud |
| 04:15 | < Mantisking> | Oh, yeah. |
| 04:15 | < afny> | his frame names are so confusing |
| 04:16 | < Mantisking> | http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=495457 |
| 04:16 | < afny> | there's a whole folder full of AF prototypes |
| 04:17 | < Mantisking> | I know. |
| 04:17 | < afny> | wow, that shuttle booster |
| 04:17 | < Mantisking> | That link is mine. |
| 04:18 | < afny> | yeah, I know |
| 04:18 | < afny> | afny: there's a whole folder full of AF prototypes was in reference to the names being confusing |
| 04:18 | < afny> | since there's a lot of different techniques for the base frame all under "prototype" |
| 04:19 | < Mantisking> | True. I do wish he'd label things a little clearer. |
| 04:19 | < Mantisking> | Gah, stuff I posted a few days ago isn't public yet. |
| 04:20 | < afny> | Brickshelf seems like a generally horrible system for image hosting |
| 04:21 | < Mantisking> | Not like MOCpages is much better. |
| 04:22 | < Mantisking> | BS is gonna have to do for mass hosting unti l I go pro on Flickr. |
| 04:22 | < Mantisking> | "until" |
| 04:22 | < afny> | yeah, I dunno how I feel about that either :\ |
| 04:24 | < Mantisking> | Going pro? |
| 04:24 | < afny> | yeah |
| 04:25 | < Mantisking> | Don't feel like paying for hosting? |
| 04:25 | < afny> | I don't know, I guess it would seem more like a reasonable price if I actually had 200 photos that I felt like I had to display constantly |
| 04:26 | < afny> | like I said to Ced earlier, I feel like deleting my old photos for me is a FEATURE at this point. |
| 04:27 | < Mantisking> | I've deleted a ton of old photos myself. |
| 04:27 | < Mantisking> | After I took better ones, of course. |
| 04:32 | <+Tetrajak> | regarding hosting limitations; I figure that once I run out of space I'll delete duplicates, upload the other photos of the same creation to a free image hosting site without limits (e.g. photobucket), and link to the other photos in the description of the one that I leave up |
| 04:32 | <+Tetrajak> | when I finally run out of space again, I'll just create an archive account and direct people there for my older stuff, transferring 50 at a time, as necessary. |
| 04:33 | <@randolph> | In fact, this has already happened four times already; his original account was unijak |
| 04:34 | <+Tetrajak> | XD |
| 04:34 | <+Tetrajak> | how did you know! |
| 04:35 | <@randolph> | I think it was the sequentially increasing jackhammer icons |
| 04:35 | <+Tetrajak> | man, randolph, you are full of so many awesome ideas XD |
| 04:36 | <@randolph> | hehe thanks |
| 04:36 | <@randolph> | I've once been called a "random plot generator" |
| 04:36 | <@randolph> | It might have been someone on this very IRC server <_< |
| 04:36 | <+Tetrajak> | heh |
| 04:37 | <+Tetrajak> | I can imagine you being good at that sort of thing as well as the random generation you already do |
| 04:37 | <+Tetrajak> | you seem to be incredibly quick at making connections and coming up with related material, both real and fictional |
| 04:38 | <@randolph> | It has certainly helped for things like DMing D&D for a party of 7 people over IRC |
| 04:38 | <@randolph> | Especially when one of them cast detect thoughts during an interrogation >_< |
| 04:39 | <+Tetrajak> | hahaha |
| 04:39 | < Mantisking> | Just uploaded a new picture of my Strongarms team to Flickr. |
| 04:40 | <+Tetrajak> | I'll bet you'd make a great spur-of-the-moment DM |
| 04:40 | <+Tetrajak> | MK: link? |
| 04:40 | < Mantisking> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/35895569@N05/7452289890/in/photostream |
| 04:40 | <@randolph> | Neat :D |
| 04:41 | <+Tetrajak> | cute |
| 04:41 | < Mantisking> | They're very Sentai. |
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| 04:43 | < afny_> | I know that feel. |
| 04:43 | < afny_> | half of the stuff I build is accidentally Sentai. |
| 04:43 | < Mantisking> | Easier to tell them apart during a game. |
| 04:43 | < afny_> | from EACHOTHER, maybe. |
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| 04:44 | < Mantisking> | None of the teams they've been up against look anything like them. |
| 04:48 | <+Tetrajak> | I admit, most of the teams I've come up with all look the same, or if it's a team with different units, there are a few of one frame, a few of another. |
| 04:48 | <+Tetrajak> | I've not made one with individual colours, or a collection of different builds |
| 04:48 | < afny> | I had to PHYSICALLY restrain myself to make a duplicate unit in a company |
| 04:49 | <+Tetrajak> | heh, interestingly different building approach XD |
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| 04:51 | < Mantisking> | Alright, it's late and I'm tired. Bedtime for me. |
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| 04:53 | <@randolph> | Ugh, I'm about to hit flickr procap |
| 04:53 | <@randolph> | er. amateurcap? |
| 04:54 | <+Tetrajak> | afny: although it's probably because I'm a TTA player that thinks a coherent and symmetric appearance in company frames is important to fit with the fluff |
| 04:55 | < afny> | I restricted my palette for my SU company |
| 04:55 | < afny> | for that reason |
| 04:55 | < afny> | but I don't consider myself a player of any specific faction |
| 04:56 | < afny> | and even within the official factions, there is a ton of room for asymmetry |
| 05:00 | <+Tetrajak> | I just admit that I have a hard time building Ijad frames, and the Free Colonies doesn't interest me |
| 05:00 | <+Tetrajak> | Sure, I could come up with my own fluff for a faction |
| 05:01 | < afny> | Well if you're happy with building Transit Marines, I won't stop you |
| 05:01 | | * Ced|Sleep waves. |
| 05:01 | < afny> | but a Free Colonies movement could be super militant |
| 05:01 | | Ced|Sleep is now known as Ced23Ric |
| 05:01 | < afny> | it could be a dictatorship or something with a very strict military |
| 05:01 | | mode/#mf0 [+o Ced23Ric] by ChanServ |
| 05:01 | <+Tetrajak> | but even then, the companies I would come up with would be some of the "soldiers on the ground" rather than a specialised hit squad of individuals |
| 05:01 | < afny> | they don't have to be "ragtag rebels" |
| 05:01 | <+Tetrajak> | Heya Ced |
| 05:01 | <+Tetrajak> | afny: yup, to each their own |
| 05:02 | <+Tetrajak> | or should that be good morning, Ced? |
| 05:09 | <@Ced23Ric> | Morning! :D |
| 05:11 | <@randolph> | Hey Ced |
| 05:15 | <@randolph> | okay |
| 05:15 | <@randolph> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/wangtech/7452352658/ |
| 05:15 | <@randolph> | ^ My transforming frame |
| 05:16 | <@randolph> | I'm still not happy with the legs, but I guess I'll just have to revisit it when I've got more experience |
| 05:23 | <@Ced23Ric> | May I, too? |
| 05:23 | <@randolph> | absolutely |
| 05:23 | <@randolph> | I release you from your vow of silence XD |
| 05:24 | <@Ced23Ric> | :D Thanks. |
| 05:24 | <@Ced23Ric> | [00:29:05] <Ced23Ric> http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/lam_f_5.png |
| 05:24 | <@Ced23Ric> | [00:29:08] <Ced23Ric> http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/lam_g_5.png |
| 05:24 | <@Ced23Ric> | Off to work! |
| 05:24 | <@randolph> | later Ced |
| 05:28 | <+Tetrajak> | wow, Randolph, that is a very cool transforming frame |
| 05:28 | <+Tetrajak> | I love how you did the feet from the tail fins |
| 05:29 | <@randolph> | Hehe thanks |
| 05:29 | <@randolph> | I'm still unhappy with how stumpy the legs are |
| 05:30 | <@randolph> | The break-action head transform still fills me with glee |
| 05:31 | <+Tetrajak> | it is very cool |
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| 05:34 | < afny> | wow |
| 05:34 | < afny> | that thing SCREAMS g1 transformer |
| 05:34 | < afny> | I can even see the extra fist attachments |
| 05:35 | < afny> | some random fucking bit of blue plastic that you have no clue about |
| 05:35 | < afny> | it goes SOMEWHERE |
| 05:35 | < afny> | it's making me all nostalgic |
| 05:36 | <+Tetrajak> | XD you're right afny, it looks a lot like a g1 transformer |
| 05:38 | <@randolph> | hehe |
| 05:38 | <@randolph> | I want to make a better one |
| 05:38 | <@randolph> | I think I have to go back to the drawing board though |
| 05:38 | < afny> | also |
| 05:38 | < afny> | the terra-cotta soldier looks sooo good in the brick |
| 05:39 | <@randolph> | hehe |
| 05:39 | < afny> | I'm still not sold on it fitting into the SC setting |
| 05:39 | < afny> | but it's a sweet build |
| 05:39 | <@randolph> | dammit >_< |
| 05:39 | <@randolph> | but yay also |
| 05:39 | <@randolph> | Did you like what I called that front flap? XD |
| 05:39 | < afny> | heh |
| 05:40 | < afny> | I added a crotch module to my digitigrades |
| 05:40 | < afny> | its a B (decoy projector) |
| 05:40 | < afny> | I'm calling it a "babymaker" |
| 05:42 | <@randolph> | hee |
| 05:50 | <+Tetrajak> | randolph: you've seen zizy's transforming frames, of course. You could always take a leaf out of his book |
| 05:53 | <@randolph> | I saw... one? |
| 05:53 | <@randolph> | The white one |
| 05:53 | <@randolph> | I don't recall if it was you I was talking to, but my not-complaint was that it was "cheating" |
| 05:54 | <@randolph> | It didn't actually have arms, it just "implied them" at certain angles with attachments off the legs |
| 05:54 | <@randolph> | There didn't seem to be a terrible lot of "actual" transforming going on, either, but I'll have to plumb his brickshelf galleries |
| 05:55 | <@randolph> | I know this probably sounds picky, but I wanted the feel of actual transformers-style "things mechanically moving into new positions to become other things" |
| 05:57 | < afny> | It was me |
| 05:57 | < afny> | he has others |
| 05:57 | <@randolph> | ah, ok, makes sense, since you were on a zizy kick |
| 05:57 | < afny> | but most of them "cheat" by that definition, if not as drastically |
| 05:57 | <@randolph> | ISTR squieu having at least one xformer |
| 05:58 | <@randolph> | I should do more research |
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| 06:08 | | mode/#mf0 [+o Ced23Ric] by ChanServ |
| 06:09 | <@Ced23Ric> | Heya. |
| 06:09 | | mode/#mf0 [+v afny] by Ced23Ric |
| 06:24 | <@randolph> | hey ced |
| 06:25 | <@Ced23Ric> | Today is gonna be a long day. |
| 06:25 | <@Ced23Ric> | I wish I could do some weathering instead. |
| 06:26 | <@randolph> | !! |
| 06:26 | <@randolph> | Finally succumbed to the siren song of dremeled microfractures? |
| 06:27 | <@Ced23Ric> | http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=206 |
| 06:27 | <@Ced23Ric> | Militaristic FC. |
| 06:30 | <@randolph> | hehe |
| 06:30 | <@randolph> | Panel 4: 1-piece cover. |
| 06:33 | <@Ced23Ric> | Birch Tree if ineffective cover. |
| 06:33 | <@Ced23Ric> | *of |
| 06:34 | <@Soren> | very |
| 06:39 | <@randolph> | Makes me want to make some sapient pearwood |
| 06:40 | <@randolph> | "Oh shit, the cover is shooting back!" |
| 06:48 | <+afny> | this is a CHROMEHOUNDS COMIC |
| 06:48 | <+afny> | you dirty bastard |
| 06:49 | <+afny> | also, yay for using "sapient" instead of "sentient" |
| 06:49 | <+afny> | I hate it when people think "sentient" means reasoning |
| 06:51 | <@Soren> | yes. |
| 06:52 | <@Soren> | also 'sapient' is a more satisfying word. |
| 06:52 | <@Ced23Ric> | SAPPY. |
| 06:55 | <@Ced23Ric> | BRB, cleaning out laptop fans. |
| 06:58 | <+afny> | headed to bed I think |
| 06:58 | <+afny> | o7 |
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| 07:10 | <@randolph> | augh, spambots |
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| 07:15 | <@Ced23Ric> | Man, people have no sense of relevance. |
| 07:16 | <@Ced23Ric> | Booking system emails are hilarious. |
| 07:16 | <@Ced23Ric> | "WE NEED COOKIES." |
| 07:16 | <@Ced23Ric> | "I AGREE, COOKIES ARE ESSENTIAL." |
| 07:16 | <@Ced23Ric> | "COOKIES HAVE BEEN CANCELED. REVERT BACK TO TABLE FOR HORS D'OUVRES." |
| 07:20 | <@Ced23Ric> | randolph: I just realized, you built the better plane. |
| 07:20 | <@Ced23Ric> | I built the better 'frame. |
| 07:27 | <@randolph> | totally |
| 07:27 | <@randolph> | Now we just need to use combiners to merge their power |
| 07:32 | <@Ced23Ric> | Or create an abomination. |
| 07:32 | <@Ced23Ric> | Because I am pretty sure we could repeat the ugly parts! |
| 07:34 | <@randolph> | :| |
| 07:35 | <@randolph> | When I start over, I'll be building the robot form first, and making compromises from there, as opposed to starting with the jet |
| 07:35 | <@randolph> | compromises/adaptations |
| 07:49 | <@Ced23Ric> | My biggest fail are the feet. |
| 07:49 | <@Ced23Ric> | But they came last. |
| 07:54 | <@randolph> | I liked those feet |
| 07:55 | <@randolph> | better than the ones I had :x |
| 08:20 | <@Ced23Ric> | Well, the work okay in 'frame form |
| 08:20 | <@Ced23Ric> | You need the gun to balance it, but still. |
| 08:20 | <@Ced23Ric> | In flight mode, they are goofy. |
| 08:29 | <@randolph> | If I somehow managed to smush them onto my frame, it wouldn't matter, because they'd be part of that recessed fuselage |
| 08:35 | <@Ced23Ric> | http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/4604396_460s.jpg |
| 08:36 | <@Ced23Ric> | THis is a) SFW and b) hilarious. |
| 08:39 | <@randolph> | ahahah |
| 08:41 | <@Ced23Ric> | Oh wel. |
| 08:41 | <@jerith> | Nice. |
| 08:41 | <@Ced23Ric> | I'l take some pictures of the 'frame when I get home. |
| 08:41 | <@Ced23Ric> | Righ now, he is swooshing over my desk there. :D |
| 08:42 | <@Ced23Ric> | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/5488c03f-b20d-4c9f-8cea-2b 8218cd4c1b.jpg |
| 09:02 | <@randolph> | hee |
| 09:02 | <@randolph> | alright, nn guys |
| 09:13 | <@Ced23Ric> | Night man! |
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| 14:50 | <@Ced23Ric> | SOREN. |
| 14:50 | <@Ced23Ric> | GUESS WHAT. |
| 14:50 | <@Ced23Ric> | I CAN HAS ODD TANK QUARTER PIECES. |
| 14:56 | < DeathZero> | o_O |
| 14:57 | < DeathZero> | Whatchu talkin bout willis o_O |
| 14:57 | <@Soren> | ohoho. |
| 15:02 | < DeathZero> | I'd like to say....I just gave my son his first set of lego. :D |
| 15:02 | < DeathZero> | duplo blocks.....all over the floor. lol. |
| 15:26 | | Soren is now known as Soren|away |
| 15:34 | <@Ced23Ric> | Everyone, sign up to Firefall Open Beta. |
| 15:34 | <@Ced23Ric> | http://www.youtube.com/user/r5studios?feature=watch |
| 15:34 | <@Ced23Ric> | Watch their channel |
| 15:35 | <@Ced23Ric> | And: They call classes "battle 'frames". |
| 15:41 | < DeathZero> | looks neat. |
| 15:42 | < DeathZero> | don't have any time for more games though. |
| 16:48 | < DeathZero> | woo more bricks on the way. |
| 17:04 | <@randolph> | What're "odd tank quarter pieces?" |
| 17:13 | < DeathZero> | I was wondering that too. |
| 17:35 | <@Ced23Ric> | Those 4x4 round wall sections. |
| 17:35 | <@Ced23Ric> | 6 bricks tall. |
| 17:40 | < DeathZero> | o_O |
| 17:41 | < DeathZero> | I think I know what you're talking about. |
| 17:51 | <@Ced23Ric> | So we ordered food. |
| 17:51 | <@Ced23Ric> | For the appartment. |
| 17:52 | <@Ced23Ric> | And there's 3 of us. |
| 17:52 | <@Ced23Ric> | So we made the name: |
| 17:52 | <@Ced23Ric> | pre: Jan Christian-Daniel |
| 17:55 | < DeathZero> | o_O |
| 17:55 | < DeathZero> | I want food. |
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| 20:05 | <@Ced23Ric> | Ugh. |
| 20:05 | <@Ced23Ric> | I want admin privys in the forum, and server access. |
| 20:06 | <@Ced23Ric> | Clean that bitch up, delete the sleeper spam accounts, change the theme and update the security measures. Do yway with post count, install a kharma hack ... |
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| 20:07 | <@Ced23Ric> | Heya CB. |
| 20:08 | < Carbonbass> | Hallo |
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| 20:17 | < afny> | o/ |
| 20:19 | < DeathZero> | :D |
| 20:25 | <@randolph> | hey guys |
| 20:27 | < DeathZero> | sup |
| 20:34 | <@Ced23Ric> | Heya Kev. |
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| 20:51 | < afny> | Dude, I just realized what you meant |
| 20:51 | < afny> | by the tops of turntables |
| 20:51 | < afny> | I thought it was some weird technic part |
| 20:51 | < afny> | and then I realized I was an idiot. |
| 20:51 | <@randolph> | You mean the 2x2 round gray thing? |
| 20:51 | < afny> | yea |
| 20:51 | <@randolph> | that are bitches to remove from the 2x2 black frame? |
| 20:51 | < afny> | I told Ced I didn't have any and he's like, they're the tops of turntables |
| 20:52 | < afny> | well the frames aren't always black, but yeah |
| 20:52 | <@randolph> | Can they even be removed without damage to the turntable? |
| 20:52 | <@randolph> | I've yet to have any success |
| 20:52 | < afny> | dunno, but I never use turntables |
| 20:52 | <@randolph> | Ah, I use them in various rotating cannons |
| 20:52 | <@Ced23Ric> | Yeah, no probs. |
| 20:52 | <@Ced23Ric> | About as hard es getting legs off pelvis'. |
| 20:52 | < afny> | they're too loose for me at this scale |
| 20:52 | <@randolph> | See: The Tetrajack and Nezha |
| 20:53 | < afny> | i have two different models |
| 20:53 | <@randolph> | Loose, as in "spins too freely/" |
| 20:53 | <@randolph> | ? |
| 20:53 | < afny> | some have a hole in the peg, and some don't |
| 20:53 | < afny> | or like, an indent |
| 20:53 | < afny> | maybe one is harder than the other to remove |
| 20:53 | <@randolph> | Ced: Just pry? or do you use tweezers? |
| 20:53 | < afny> | yeah, spins too freely |
| 20:53 | <@randolph> | Not that I have dire need atm |
| 20:53 | <@Ced23Ric> | I will try for you, now. |
| 20:53 | <@Ced23Ric> | LIVE, if you will. |
| 20:54 | <@randolph> | heh thanks, don't break it on my behalf |
| 20:54 | <@randolph> | or in any half |
| 20:54 | <@Ced23Ric> | I got like 25 or so?. |
| 20:54 | <@Ced23Ric> | -? |
| 20:54 | <@randolph> | it must be so cool to have umlauts on-demand |
| 20:54 | <@Ced23Ric> | ??? ? :D |
| 20:54 | <@randolph> | hai |
| 20:54 | <@Ced23Ric> | I got an Esszett, too! |
| 20:54 | <@Ced23Ric> | ss |
| 20:54 | <@randolph> | afny: yeah, I only use 'em for "this thing is supposed to spin freely" |
| 20:55 | <@randolph> | ced: heh |
| 20:55 | <@Ced23Ric> | Da fuw. |
| 20:55 | <@Ced23Ric> | *q |
| 20:55 | <@Ced23Ric> | It don't come out. |
| 20:55 | <@randolph> | I jinxed it by mentioning it |
| 20:55 | < afny> | you have to squeeze the bits |
| 20:55 | <@Ced23Ric> | I SQUEEZED THE BITS. |
| 20:55 | < afny> | I dunno |
| 20:55 | < afny> | it's easy for me |
| 20:55 | <@Ced23Ric> | ... with nail cutting scissors. |
| 20:56 | <@Ced23Ric> | The bits are now marred. |
| 20:56 | < afny> | I used a 1/8th audio jack |
| 20:56 | < afny> | and just pressured one side |
| 20:56 | < afny> | pops right out |
| 20:56 | < afny> | no damage |
| 20:56 | < afny> | although it works better on the kind with the divet |
| 20:56 | < afny> | as opposed to the one that looks like a flathead screw |
| 20:56 | <@Ced23Ric> | I got the latter. |
| 20:56 | < afny> | only have two of those |
| 20:56 | < afny> | yeah, can't figure out how to get those out |
| 20:57 | <@Ced23Ric> | Squeeze the bits. |
| 20:58 | < afny> | hm |
| 20:58 | <@randolph> | Sorry your bits got squeezed too much, Ced |
| 20:58 | < afny> | now I'm just pusshing it out with a lightsaber blade |
| 20:58 | < afny> | that's better than the audio jack |
| 21:00 | < afny> | hm, the diskless bases are cool bits too |
| 21:00 | <@Ced23Ric> | LADAR. |
| 21:00 | <@randolph> | Yeah, the bases are great |
| 21:00 | <@randolph> | I use them as ghetto-2x2 tiles |
| 21:01 | <@randolph> | Open chassis, etc |
| 21:01 | <@Ced23Ric> | YOU SO GHETTO. |
| 21:02 | <@randolph> | YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE GROWING UP IN LA |
| 21:02 | < afny> | agh I can't get these last two out |
| 21:02 | <@Ced23Ric> | That's what she said! |
| 21:03 | < afny> | ...when she was birthing triplets? |
| 21:03 | <@randolph> | ^ your interpretation is far less dirty than mine |
| 21:03 | <@Ced23Ric> | Anal beads. |
| 21:05 | < afny> | got 'em |
| 21:05 | < afny> | (not anal beads) |
| 21:10 | <@Ced23Ric> | Why not? |
| 21:10 | <@Ced23Ric> | Still in the fridge? |
| 21:14 | < DeathZero> | holy crap o-o |
| 21:17 | < afny> | what |
| 21:18 | < afny> | you hadn't thought to keep your anal beads in the fridge? |
| 21:18 | < afny> | did Ced just blow your mind? |
| 21:18 | < DeathZero> | no, a screen full of posts did |
| 21:18 | < DeathZero> | o-o |
| 21:20 | < afny> | ? |
| 21:21 | < DeathZero> | Its been quiet most of the day. |
| 21:24 | < afny> | WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT |
| 21:25 | <@Ced23Ric> | He speaks in tongues. |
| 21:26 | <@Ced23Ric> | LOL |
| 21:26 | <@Ced23Ric> | KEVIN. |
| 21:26 | <@Ced23Ric> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ4b98Q1dyY&feature=related |
| 21:26 | <@Ced23Ric> | I am dying. |
| 21:28 | < DeathZero> | the faces she's making are funny as hell. |
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| 23:15 | < afny> | So I'm trying to come up with a transforming design appropriate for SC |
| 23:15 | < afny> | it's pretty hard |
| 23:20 | < afny> | Like, my ideas right now are civilian/labor model frames that either transform into streetcars or some sort of maglev train car to take advantage of high infrastructure areas |
| 23:20 | < afny> | (because one of the major cities in my setting is very high infrastructure) |
| 23:21 | < afny> | I'm wary of frames that have flight modes because I think it's a little impractical |
| 23:26 | < afny> | I wanted to do it for those orbital frames but they would never use that mode in atmo |
| 23:38 | <@Ced23Ric> | I'm suddenly dead tired. |
| 23:39 | <@Ced23Ric> | SLeep now. |
| 23:39 | | Ced23Ric is now known as Ced|Bed |
| 23:39 | < afny> | night |
| 23:39 | <@Ced|Bed> | Night, Kev. Catch you later! :) |
| 23:40 | < afny> | o7 |
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