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| 12:59 | < abudhabi_> | Hmmm. So, what's the preferred solution to coding in .net on *nix? |
| 12:59 | < abudhabi_> | I see VS Code does run on Mint, it's even in the package repo. |
| 13:20 | < Emmy> | seems like that would be it, then |
| 13:21 | < Emmy> | I would prefer VS proper, but apparently there's no 'nix version for that |
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| 13:24 | < abudhabi_> | Yeah, same. |
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| 13:54 | | * abudhabi_ glares at VSC. |
| 13:55 | < abudhabi_> | Did the UI guys who worked on this get Tarn Adams to consult for them? |
| 13:55 | < abudhabi_> | Or maybe hired the GIMP team? |
| 13:57 | < abudhabi_> | "File" is NOT the correct menu to put preferences under. "Edit" is a questionable, if common choice, but I'd very much like a TOP LEVEL menu option to that effect. |
| 13:58 | < abudhabi_> | When I click File I expect things related to the file(s) I'm working on. |
| 14:01 | < Emmy> | 'File' is a fairly common one as well, sadly, but i've seen it under 'Window' or 'Help' as well |
| 14:02 | < abudhabi_> | 😠|
| 14:03 | < Emmy> | Oh well. It could be apple. |
| 14:04 | <~Vorntastic> | Preferences is a hard one to put anywhere. It's about application-wide stuff, and most menus are about whatever "document" you're working on right now |
| 14:06 | < abudhabi_> | Yes. |
| 14:06 | < abudhabi_> | Hence top-level option. |
| 14:06 | < abudhabi_> | File Edit Window PREFERENCES Help |
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| 14:22 | <~Vorntastic> | With one item in it |
| 14:24 | < abudhabi_> | I think I've seen that once. |
| 14:26 | <@TheWatcher> | Just go the emacs route. |
| 14:27 | <@TheWatcher> | https://i.imgur.com/GYGsEiU.png |
| 14:29 | < abudhabi_> | I'll allow it. |
| 14:37 | < abudhabi_> | OK. After some annoying install and config, I have a working setup. Turns out VSC installed via flatpak fails to detect the dotnet installation, but installing from .deb works fine. |
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| 19:18 | | * McMartin reads backscroll |
| 19:18 | < McMartin> | Unless there are so many settings that they don't fit in a single dialog box, Settings should never be its own top level menu. If it's just one option, then on Windows, I'd say the preferred order is File, then View, then lastly, and by a great distance, Edit. |
| 19:19 | < McMartin> | On Macs, it goes under the Apple menu. |
| 19:20 | < McMartin> | (or, I guess, nowadays, it goes under the app-specific manu that is named for the application itself) |
| 19:21 | < McMartin> | I suspect that File (and its Amiga equivalent, "Project") ended up picking up About and Preferences by default because they didn't have an Apple menu to put them in. |
| 19:21 | <@celticminstrel> | File seems to be the normal place. |
| 19:21 | <@celticminstrel> | IIRC (don’t have it handy atm) Firefox puts it in Tools. |
| 19:22 | <@celticminstrel> | On Windows that is. On Mac it’s in the app menu. |
| 19:28 | < McMartin> | Yeah, one thing I've learned as I dig into old Mac stuff is that Windows and Commodore were *significantly* more lax about its recommendations for UI elements for developers. |
| 19:29 | < McMartin> | And I do kind of wonder how much of that was "because they automated more" -- if you're going to literally have to specify the number of pixels between the OK button and the edge of the alert box for what is, on those other platforms, a template completely owned by the OS, you *might as well* insist on strict uniformity across the board too. |
| 19:29 | <@celticminstrel> | You’re suggesting Apple is stricter because of OSA…? |
| 19:31 | < McMartin> | "because of how far the Human Interface Guidelines had to reach to result in a functioning system at all", I think. I don't recognize OSA. |
| 19:32 | <@celticminstrel> | Open Scripting Architecture, basically the underlying API that AppleScript hooks into. |
| 19:34 | < McMartin> | Ah, no. You can be a tub of spaghetti, visually, and still use a coherent OPC system. |
| 19:34 | <@celticminstrel> | OPC? |
| 19:34 | < McMartin> | Er. IPC. |
| 19:34 | < McMartin> | Inter-Process Communication. |
| 19:35 | < McMartin> | For once, the keys *really were* right next to one another. |
| 19:35 | < McMartin> | GNOME uses Dbus in a way very similar to Apple Events and it's a mess when the core devs aren't deleting everything useful |
| 19:36 | < McMartin> | AmigaOS was/is an actual microkernel and uses messages sent through the Exec service to do *absolutely* everything including routing windowing/UI events |
| 20:35 | < abudhabi_> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcJSW7Rprio |
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| 22:45 | <@macdjord> | abudhabi__: 'Quit program' isn't a file-specific operation, but it's always under 'File'. |
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| 23:18 | <@celticminstrel> | Not on Macs from X onwards. |
| 23:19 | <@macdjord> | celticminstrel: Okay, fair, only on windows. |
| 23:19 | <@celticminstrel> | It was under File in Mac before X tho. |
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