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| 07:15 | < abudhabi__> | macdjord: Who uses that in preference to X? |
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| 11:30 | <~Vorntastic> | (Mac os x has a menu named after the application that contains preferences and quit and some other whole-application stuff) |
| 11:35 | <~Vorntastic> | oh, i misunderstood the question. |
| 11:36 | <~Vorntastic> | On Mac, closing all the windows tends not to quit the program; the application remains open and the menu bar (which is in a global position not attached to any windows) is still accessible. |
| 11:37 | <~Vorntastic> | I don't know if programs that allow multiple windows on windows do things across the board for menu exit too but it might |
| 11:39 | <~Vorntastic> | I do remember that back when MS was working on the new UI for office, one thing they noticed in the telemetry was that *several* of the most common commands were "paste", because people would use the button, or the menu, or the keyboard shortcut, or the other keyboard shortcut |
| 11:40 | <~Vorntastic> | Or the context menu one |
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| 16:21 | <@celticminstrel> | In Firefox, File > Exit does indeed close every window on Windows. |
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| 17:19 | < abudhabi__> | What the hell kind of encoding is this? https://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=224 |
| 17:51 | <@celticminstrel> | Those are actual question marks so I'm guessing it's a file that got mangled by confused encodings or something. |
| 17:51 | <@celticminstrel> | Probably opened in an app that replaces unknown characters with question marks? |
| 17:52 | <@celticminstrel> | Weirdly, when I look at the source it seems to be filled with inverse question marks. Unless that's my editor's way of indicating an unknown character… |
| 17:53 | <@celticminstrel> | Copy-pasting it into character viewer claims it's just a space. How can that be? I don't have "show invisibles" on and even if I did a space would be a dot, not an inverse question mark. |
| 18:35 | < Alek> | maybe a hard space |
| 18:35 | < Alek> | or other special character that looks like one but doesn't act like one |
| 18:36 | < Alek> | looking... here, it looks like it's supposed to be a single quote. |
| 18:41 | < Alek> | or rather, open quotes, apostrophe, and close quotes, all replaced by question mark |
| 18:41 | < Alek> | maybe more |
| 18:42 | < Alek> | might be one of those international encodings that use something other than English standard single and double quote marks. |
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| 18:42 | < Alek> | I know Russia uses something like double angle brackets for quotations, frequently? |
| 18:46 | <@celticminstrel> | There are a ton of quoting conventions, including “…” ‘…’ «…» 《…》「…」 『…』”…“ ’…‘ and even the quote dash. |
| 18:46 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh and some languages that use the curly quotes place the opening quote at the baseline instead of raised. |
| 18:47 | < Alek> | yep |
| 18:48 | < Alek> | I've seen Russian books do that too |
| 18:50 | < Alek> | and then Spanish places the inverted question mark at the beginning of the sentence that ends with a question mark. |
| 18:52 | <@celticminstrel> | No? |
| 18:52 | <@celticminstrel> | Question marks are phrasal in Spanish AIUI. |
| 18:52 | <@celticminstrel> | They'll surround a part of a sentence, not necessarily the whole sentence. |
| 18:53 | <@celticminstrel> | The closing mark does generally come at the end, but the opening mark is not necessarily at the beginning of the sentence; it's often after a comma or something. |
| 18:55 | < Alek> | TIL, thanks |
| 18:58 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't think I've ever seen a closing question mark in the middle of a sentence. I've definitely seen it with an opening question mark in the middle, typically with "tag questions". |
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