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| 01:15 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't suppose anyone said anything further after I left? |
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| 01:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | Noting relevant to your issue |
| 01:31 | <&McMartin> | The only thing I can wonder about is if there is any fun to be had looking at the hex dump of the source file |
| 01:31 | <&McMartin> | And in particular if the bytes are somehow different between good and bad accesses |
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| 01:38 | <@celticminstrel> | You mean like, control characters in the source code or something? |
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| 01:38 | <@celticminstrel> | Or the file is being read as the wrong encoding? |
| 01:39 | <@celticminstrel> | ...if it was read as the wrong encoding though, everything would be rejected... |
| 01:45 | <@Alek> | unless it's a /slightly/ wrong encoding. I do believe there's a number of them that are similar in the broad strokes, in ISO at least. |
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| 17:01 | <@celticminstrel> | This doesn't make any sense... |
| 17:01 | | * celticminstrel notes that the hex editor confirmed that there's nothing odd in it. |
| 17:13 | <@celticminstrel> | Nothing weird in the definition of the union, either, and if I comment out most of it and copy the union definition into the source file, it works. |
| 17:23 | <@celticminstrel> | ...so if I just switch the order of two includes, suddenly it works. ??? |
| 17:23 | <@Tamber> | <@> |
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| 19:25 | <&McMartin> | As someone whose email address has no numbers in it, and thus whose email is, 90%, intended for someone else, this vulnerability report fills me with the dread of recognition: http://www.nbu.gov.sk/skcsirt-sa-20170909-pypi/ |
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| 19:28 | <&[R]> | What does your email have to do with that? |
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| 19:29 | <&McMartin> | It means I have first-hand experience of how many people type in valid form values that are not what they intend. |
| 19:30 | <&[R]> | Ah |
| 19:31 | <@Alek> | ah |
| 19:31 | <&McMartin> | https://xkcd.com/1279/ |
| 19:33 | < RchrdB> | McMartin, I once had the email address "richard@clara.net", clara.net being a mid-size mostly residential ISP in the UK in the 90s and early 00s. |
| 19:33 | < RchrdB> | So much misaddressed mail. |
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| 20:23 | < ion> | gmail has this issue I've noticed |
| 20:23 | < ion> | where they allow you to register with a "." in your email address |
| 20:24 | < ion> | this makes for some interesting issues somewhere later down the line |
| 20:24 | <&[R]> | That's allowed |
| 20:24 | < ion> | if someone else creates the same adderss without the "." |
| 20:24 | <&[R]> | You can even have @ in the username if you wanted. |
| 20:24 | < ion> | and the stars align just right |
| 20:24 | < ion> | one person or another will get each other's mail |
| 20:25 | <@abudhabi> | Not the email spec's problem. |
| 20:25 | <@abudhabi> | (99 problems, but people making similar usernames ain't one.) |
| 20:25 | <@abudhabi> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s9IjkMAmns |
| 20:26 | < ion> | ie I have ex.ample@gmail.com maybe once every two years I'll randomly get emails that were intended for example@gmail.com |
| 20:26 | <&[R]> | That's because mouthbreathers exist |
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| 21:33 | <@Alek> | ... so some mail server code ignores . in the email? |
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| 21:33 | <@abudhabi> | That would be wrong. |
| 21:34 | <@abudhabi> | More wrong than usual for email. |
| 21:34 | <@Tamber> | Some websites "helpfully" strip the . because as far as they're concerned, it doesn't mean anything. ¬¬ |
| 21:34 | <@Alek> | oy. |
| 21:34 | <@Tamber> | They belong in the same deep pit of shit as the people who think they can "validate" an email address. |
| 21:35 | <@Alek> | and here's my legit (as in, non-90s-style) name.last@gmail.com |
| 21:35 | <@Tamber> | "You can't have a + in your email address!" Uh, yes I can. "You can't have . in your email address!" Yeeeeees I can. |
| 21:35 | <@Tamber> | etc etc. |
| 21:35 | <@Alek> | I should register the dotless version just in case :P |
| 21:35 | <@Tamber> | (And that's just the common ones.) |
| 21:35 | <@Alek> | what do they mean by validate? |
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| 21:36 | <@Tamber> | Determining whether or not you've put in a "real" email address. |
| 21:36 | <&[R]> | "Did the inputed value actually contain an email address I can send email to?" |
| 21:36 | <@Tamber> | Except it's inevitably a really stupid set of restrictions they put on them. |
| 21:37 | <&[R]> | Unless you have the borg cube! |
| 21:37 | < ion> | no-dot "validation" is even worse than forms that refuse a plus sign in the address |
| 21:37 | | * Alek eyes gmail |
| 21:37 | < ion> | But I don't think that's as bad as the forms that silently truncate your password, or silently drop "illegal" characters from your password |
| 21:38 | <@Tamber> | Yeah. |
| 21:38 | <@Alek> | apparently someone else already has the dotless. and mine's a rather uncommon name in the US, there were only 3 worldwide as of 10 years ago, 2 in Eastern Europe. |
| 21:38 | <&[R]> | gmail allows periods in the email addresses just fine. Also it does allow you to send to a gmail address with a + in it. |
| 21:38 | <@Alek> | or 15 years ago |
| 21:38 | <@Tamber> | [R], as should be! |
| 21:38 | <&[R]> | Yeah |
| 21:38 | <&[R]> | I was replying to the "eyes gmail" comment |
| 21:39 | < ion> | My dotless counterpart is somewhere over in europe from the invoices I've recieved over the years |
| 21:40 | <@Alek> | R: that's not why I was eyeing it. |
| 21:40 | <@Alek> | :P |
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| 21:41 | <&[R]> | One of my friends coded in C long, long ago |
| 21:41 | <@Alek> | I don't think I've gotten any mail the dotless should have been, unless it was spam. |
| 21:41 | <&[R]> | He's trying to get out of depression and start coding again |
| 21:41 | <@Alek> | C: no wonder he's depressed. :P |
| 21:41 | <@Alek> | (I kid, I kid, but I know it's a serious matter) |
| 21:41 | <&[R]> | But he's having problems with the source for GNU tar and gvim. Suggestions of some code he could look at? |
| 21:42 | < ion> | gmail allows dots and plusses just fine, its when you're using that email address to fill out a form who refuses dots and plusses that the fun happens |
| 21:51 | < RchrdB> | [R], vim *is* reputed to be super hairy. Substantially large C codebases with decent reputations that someone could contribute to? Uh, postgres, FreeBSD or OpenBSD? apache? mmmaybe nginx? |
| 21:52 | <&[R]> | I'm not sure if he's looking to commit anything, just poke around and find out how it works |
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| 21:54 | < RchrdB> | Any of the modern DOOM source ports. ioquake or ioquake3? |
| 21:55 | <&[R]> | Thanks, I'll forward your suggestions to him. |
| 21:55 | < RchrdB> | maybe the ZFS source code might be fun to read; there's a fork of it in the FreeBSD tree and uh another fork in every open source Solaris descendent so uh SmartOS and I guess illumos |
| 21:56 | < RchrdB> | I had a brief peek once and it's kind of surprisingly pretty |
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| 22:45 | <&ToxicFrog> | ion: re: forms that silently truncate your password |
| 22:46 | <&ToxicFrog> | The absolute best are where there's multiple login paths (say, a login page vs a login dropdown, or a website vs an app) |
| 22:46 | <&ToxicFrog> | And some of them truncate your password |
| 22:46 | <&ToxicFrog> | And the others don't, or do so differently. |
| 22:47 | < ion> | Yeah, I've found something like that with some versions of the tumblr app not liking a single character in my passphrase and refusing to log me in |
| 22:49 | < ion> | Touchscreen keyboards make things like sending the appropriate "|" character a wonderful crapshoot too |
| 22:50 | | * ion will take a desktop and web portal login over mobile apps every day of the week |
| 22:50 | <@macdjord> | ion: Uh, 'ust be exactly character-for-character correct' is a proerty of /every/ password system. And it's a desirable one, too. |
| 22:52 | <&ToxicFrog> | macdjord: "not liking" as in "if the password contains this character, you cannot type it in and/or login will always fail even if that's the correct password", cf the last two pages of conversation |
| 22:52 | < ion> | macdjord: Don't get me wrong or misunderstand me here, I'm not complaining that it correctly refutes an incorrect password, I'm more griping about inconsistancy in character sets and lazy developers |
| 22:52 | < ion> | And yeah, what ToxicFrog said ^_^ |
| 22:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | I think the weirdest occurrence of that I've run into was a site that classified any password with '/' in it as "low strength" and wouldn't let you set that as your password. |
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| 23:49 | < RchrdB> | Heh, you can draw a flat quadrilateral as a GL_TRIANGLE_STRIP by just listing all four vertices in any order. :) |
| 23:50 | <&McMartin> | *any* order? |
| 23:51 | <&McMartin> | Aren't there winding issues, or, um, stripping from the wrong edge? |
| 23:52 | < RchrdB> | Winding yes, works anyway for me because I ain't discarding backfaces. |
| 23:53 | < RchrdB> | Stripping from the wrong edge I don't think so. You lay down the first two verts and then the other two work fine either way around. |
| 23:54 | <&McMartin> | ... what if your first two verts are diagonally opposed? You'll end up with some kind of M shaped thing, won't you? |
| 23:54 | < RchrdB> | That hadn't occurred to me. Hm. |
| 23:54 | <&McMartin> | (But if they *are*, then maybe GL_TRIANGLE_FAN will work?) |
| 23:55 | < RchrdB> | So, if you list two vertices which share an edge first then it doesn't matter what order you put the other two in. |
| 23:55 | <&McMartin> | As long as you ignore winding, I'm willing to believe that result without doing *all* the work. |
| 23:56 | < RchrdB> | Yeah, a fan will work if you put down a diagonal first. In fact I think a fan will only work if you put the diagonal first? |
| 23:56 | <&McMartin> | Plausible, but I haven't checked what fan does in detail so I don't know if you can get it without forcibly ignoring winding. |
| 23:58 | < RchrdB> | AIUI fan is "draw a tri between the initial vertex + the previous vertex + the new vertex" each time |
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| 23:59 | < RchrdB> | AFAIK triangle fans kind of went away as a concept, wiki says D3D10 deprecated them |
| 23:59 | <&McMartin> | I have no idea what glDrawArrays still accepts |
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