| --- Log opened Fri Oct 31 00:00:30 2014 |
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| 01:01 | <~Vornicus> | You all failed me. :P |
| 01:01 | <@Reiv> | what did I fail you for |
| 01:02 | <~Vornicus> | 04:23 <~Vornicus> RIght, I give up. When I show up tomorrow, if one of you would be so kind as to throw an X-Wing at me, it would be vastly appreciated. |
| 01:15 | <@Reiv> | ... oh, you meant that literally |
| 01:15 | | * Reiv assigns the job to Vash. |
| 01:20 | | * McMartin wonders if he has the link to Echolocation. |
| 01:22 | <@Reiv> | ? |
| 01:23 | <&McMartin> | An app a friend wrote that does an HTML5 animated simulation of the Preposterous Decloak Mechanics |
| 01:23 | <@Reiv> | Ho yez, I can imagine |
| 01:23 | <@Reiv> | And they've gone and made it even worse with Scum and Villany, with that friggin' keynors loop shenanigans |
| 01:26 | <~Vornicus> | Preposterous Decloak Mechanics? |
| 01:26 | <&McMartin> | Basically when you "decloak" you reveal your hitherto unnoticed location, which is equivalent to a sudden lateral move on decloak. |
| 01:26 | <&McMartin> | That can go through obstacles etc because You Were Actually Over Here All Long. |
| 01:27 | <~Vornicus> | that is preposterous. |
| 01:29 | <&McMartin> | Then you combine that with Barrel Roll and/or Boost... |
| 01:30 | | * Vornicus does a barrel roll! |
| 01:33 | <@Reiv> | McMartin: I'm still kind of baffled why Echo doesn't use the 1 bank manouver |
| 01:34 | <@Reiv> | Surely they've noticed by now that their bank manouvers are *considerably* longer than their straights |
| 01:35 | <@Reiv> | Also it makes that poor interceptor that has to take stress to do a curved barrel roll look a bit tame in comparison! |
| 01:38 | <~Vornicus> | okay 1 get probabilities for n dice. |
| 01:41 | <@Reiv> | I mean at least with that thing it actually spent an action to do the bloody thing. |
| 02:00 | <~Vornicus> | Hm, clarifications: when do I decide to use target lock, focus, evade? |
| 02:00 | <&McMartin> | After doing the move |
| 02:01 | <~Vornicus> | But before rolling the dice? |
| 02:01 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 02:01 | <&McMartin> | Dice rolls are the shooting phase |
| 02:01 | <~Vornicus> | Got it. |
| 02:01 | <&McMartin> | But if, say, you crashed into something/someone during move, you don't get an action because you're too busy dodging up/down (not shown) |
| 02:02 | | * Vornicus thinks at that, thinks the wrong question is being answered |
| 02:02 | <&McMartin> | Oh |
| 02:02 | <&McMartin> | That is "why selecting actions happens between those phases" |
| 02:03 | <~Vornicus> | I have a focus token. At some point, I choose to use it on one of my rolls. |
| 02:03 | <&McMartin> | You can't pick actions until you move because depending on the result of the move you might not get to |
| 02:03 | <&McMartin> | You can't pick actions during the die roll phase because modifying the die rolls is what the results of actions are for. |
| 02:03 | <@Reiv> | Vornicus: To answer the question I think you are asking, you choose during the attack, in order you wish. |
| 02:03 | <@Reiv> | Obviously, one does the rerolls before applying the Focus. |
| 02:04 | <@Reiv> | But you roll, look at dice, decide whether to use TL or Focus, then decide whether to use the other. |
| 02:04 | <~Vornicus> | Do I use it after a dissatisfactory roll, or before a risky roll |
| 02:04 | <@Reiv> | After |
| 02:04 | <~Vornicus> | After, ok. |
| 02:05 | <@Reiv> | There is, technically, a step in between in which the defender can modify your dice rolls (and certain effects like Heavy Laser Cannon will turn crits to hits, because that's what the card does in return for rolling 4 dice at long range), but that's fairly secondary to the question |
| 02:06 | <@Reiv> | And until the most recent release, defenders never modified attackers dice anyway. Until Tarvin Mison. People hate you so v. much. <3 |
| 02:08 | <@Reiv> | http://teamcovenant.com/store/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d 08d6e5fb8d27136e95/R/7/R7_Astromech_1.png |
| 02:08 | <@Reiv> | Cute, but only cute. Until you give it to http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140322034306/xwing-miniatures/images/5/58/T arn-mison.png |
| 02:08 | <&McMartin> | Ha ha ha |
| 02:10 | <@Reiv> | "Oh, you're shooting at me? I get a target lock, then. And then my R7 unit spends it to make you reroll those hits. And then I roll evade against whatever's left." |
| 02:10 | <@Reiv> | "Oddly enough, people try to kill me while they have lots of ships, so they don't have to try to kill me when they have very few left. >_>" |
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| 08:28 | <@Julius> | SSDs seem really pimp. My work computer has them, and I get barely any read time at all. |
| 08:41 | <@froztbyte> | yup, that's basically the idea :) |
| 08:41 | <@froztbyte> | you get almost-constant IO latency |
| 08:41 | <@froztbyte> | (sometimes, with some models, you might get some variance) |
| 08:42 | <@Julius> | How do they compare wrt degradation over time to HDDs? |
| 08:47 | <@froztbyte> | they're not the same thing |
| 08:47 | <@froztbyte> | so they have their entire own set of things to worry/care about |
| 08:48 | <@froztbyte> | you can check writes/mtbf pretty much anywhere the stats are shown |
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| 09:55 | <@Julius> | HTML/CSS. I want to make it so a certain column always takes up as much space as needed to display its data in one line, no linebreaks. How do I do this? |
| 09:57 | <@Julius> | Setting the width to 100% just makes it overcompensate. I don't want it that huge, but just enough. |
| 10:02 | <@TheWatcher> | .foo { white-space: nowrap; } |
| 10:02 | <@TheWatcher> | class="foo" on the container |
| 10:03 | <@Julius> | Thanks! |
| 10:03 | <@Julius> | I am finally beginning to truly understand how CSS is supposed to work. |
| 10:08 | <@TheWatcher> | No! Go back! Go back! That way lies madness as you are drawn into the impossible angles full of colours that pulse and taste |
| 10:10 | <@gnolam> | As long as it's not Qt's twisted subset. |
| 10:11 | <@Azash> | Go back to the shadow |
| 10:12 | <@froztbyte> | o/` through the fire and the flames we carry on o/` |
| 10:13 | <@froztbyte> | damn, now I have to switch to louder music from what I was listening to |
| 10:15 | <@Azash> | froztbyte: Have you ever seen them live? |
| 10:15 | <@froztbyte> | no |
| 10:16 | <@Azash> | I did, it was quite funny how it played out |
| 10:16 | <@froztbyte> | although I did get to see Rammstein live once, at least :) |
| 10:16 | <@Azash> | Basically they played a very, um, non-variable set, with no real changes in tempo or energy |
| 10:16 | <@Azash> | So eventually people started getting bored and heading for the beer garden or other stages (it was an outdoor festival) |
| 10:17 | <@froztbyte> | haha |
| 10:17 | <@froztbyte> | that must've been a hangover set |
| 10:17 | <@froztbyte> | :D |
| 10:17 | <@Azash> | And the amount of people who left was directly proportional to the amount of rage from the vocalist |
| 10:17 | <@Azash> | Like the more left, the more he started screaming for the crowd to "come the fuck on" and so on |
| 10:17 | <@froztbyte> | hahahaha |
| 10:18 | <@gnolam> | Haha |
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| 10:20 | <@Julius> | DragonForce seems best experienced non-live. |
| 10:21 | <@gnolam> | I saw them back in... 2003? I wasn't impressed. |
| 10:34 | | * TheWatcher eyes this "joke" sent around by one of the professors in work |
| 10:34 | <@TheWatcher> | "Why do computer scientists confuse Halloween and Christmas? Because Oct 31 = Dec 25" |
| 10:35 | | * froztbyte slaps his knee (against the face of whoever did that) |
| 10:57 | <@Tarinaky> | TheWatcher: You should reply with "Why do people confuse repetition for wit?" |
| 10:58 | <@Tarinaky> | Or pay a student to... in beer... anonymously... under the pseudonym Mr Johnson |
| 10:59 | <@Julius> | Why DO people confuse repetition for wit? |
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| 11:39 | <@gizmore> | Why DO people confuse repetition for wit? |
| 11:39 | <@gizmore> | Good morning ;) |
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| 12:53 | < Lambo> | http://www.codergears.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads/c0.png |
| 12:53 | < Lambo> | o.O |
| 12:54 | <@gizmore> | ahh promises :) |
| 12:58 | <@TheWatcher> | That's some godsawful code |
| 13:05 | < Julius> | I have no idea what that is supposed to do, except make a future try. |
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| 14:10 | <@io> | get a headhunter email, "How does SaaS sound to you?" |
| 14:10 | <@io> | I want to reply, "How does FoaS sound to you? :)" |
| 14:12 | < Lambo> | lol |
| 14:12 | < Lambo> | http://foaas.herokuapp.com/ |
| 14:14 | <@io> | yes, that :P |
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| 14:30 | < Julius> | You're thinking of SARS, I think. |
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| 14:38 | <@io> | what the fuck is going on with the servers |
| 14:38 | | * io blames Syloq |
| 14:38 | <@RchrdB> | Poor Syloq. |
| 14:39 | <@RchrdB> | The peril of being a sysop: everyone forgets that you even exist and the hard work that you do, until something goes wrong. :P |
| 14:40 | <@gizmore> | yeah... "hard work" |
| 14:40 | <@gizmore> | if you have to do hard work, you suck as a sysadmin |
| 14:40 | < Lambo> | automation |
| 14:40 | <@gizmore> | ^this |
| 14:40 | < Lambo> | the hard work is getting to that point |
| 14:40 | <@gizmore> | and seriously, writing a few cronjobs and bash scripts is not that hard |
| 14:40 | < Lambo> | depends on what you need automated |
| 14:41 | <@gizmore> | my witty comments are automated |
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| 14:44 | <@io> | actually, who's more at fault: Syloq or PinkFreud ? o: |
| 14:44 | <@Tarinaky> | Sysadmins are like anesthiologists(sp?) |
| 14:44 | <@Tarinaky> | You can make jokes about them spending the entire operation doing the crossword but when they look busy everyone shits their pants. |
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| 14:46 | <@RchrdB> | gizmore: just because the hard work lies in "learn all the shit so that you can write the automation" and not "type out the hopefully-small quantity of text that implements it" doesn't mean that it isn't hard work. |
| 14:46 | <@RchrdB> | OTOH, if you find yourself needing to type fast, fyl. >_> |
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| 15:45 | < Xon> | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2014/10/31/10568872.aspx |
| 15:45 | < Xon> | talk about voodoo |
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| 16:11 | <@gnolam> | Xon: and nobody seems to have noticed the hDest/m_hDest mixup. |
| 16:11 | < Lambo> | http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/event-hubs/ |
| 16:12 | < Lambo> | http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/event-hubs/ |
| 16:12 | < Lambo> | interesting |
| 16:12 | < Lambo> | feels like a Log aggregator |
| 16:18 | < Xon> | gnolam, lol |
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| 16:19 | <@Azash> | gizmore: Automation is not about avoiding hard work |
| 16:19 | <@Azash> | It's about doing the hard work in a single payment rather than an easy 10-year payment plan |
| 16:21 | <@gizmore> | the best thing about automation is when it works.... and then when you finally reach the break even point ... (dev view) |
| 16:21 | <@gizmore> | http://xkcd.com/1319/ |
| 16:22 | <@gizmore> | a few months ago i wrote a rake task that changes some rows in a database.... it gives me always a smile when i think back how annoying that manual changing was |
| 16:22 | <@Tarinaky> | Automation isn't, really, about avoiding hard work. |
| 16:22 | <@Tarinaky> | It's about reproducibility. |
| 16:22 | <@gizmore> | (i know the original argument was about sysadmin tasks, but devs can use it to) |
| 16:23 | <@Tarinaky> | Reducing the amount of tedious work is just a side-effect. |
| 16:23 | <@Tarinaky> | But if that were the only reason for it, it wouldn't be a best-practice. |
| 16:23 | <@Azash> | Yeah, but you probably also know that doing a release manually is easier for the one time than trying to figure out how to write your capistrano tasks so they don't fuck up if you encounter an edge case |
| 16:24 | <@Tarinaky> | If you do your deployments for a script, and release A1 works, but build A2 has a bug. |
| 16:24 | <@Azash> | But yeah IMO the hairpulling of writing decently foolproof automation is so, so worth it for the sheer convenience ever after |
| 16:25 | <@Tarinaky> | You're in a better debugging position than if you manually deployed and have no way of asserting that your deployment steps were identical |
| 16:25 | <@Tarinaky> | Maybe there's a file out of place in A2 |
| 16:25 | <@Tarinaky> | You have no way of knowing |
| 16:25 | <@gizmore> | automation: The task of writing programs that fail alltogether like dominoes! *joke |
| 16:26 | <@Azash> | Thankfully cap is transactive :P |
| 16:26 | <@gizmore> | silent dominoes.... brb, gotta check some logs |
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| 16:27 | <@Azash> | One of the perks of working for a company that has a huge focus on devops consulting is that every project has about a billion various automation and verification tools |
| 16:28 | <@Azash> | Something goes wrong, get a nagios email, server goes down, get pingdom alerts |
| 16:29 | <@gizmore> | what if nagios goes down on sunday? |
| 16:30 | <@Azash> | If both nagios and pingdom go down then it would be a hectic start on Monday, of course |
| 16:30 | < Xon> | Azash, saddly I work at a company with a heavy devops focus. except we don't have nearly enough monitoring because no one wants to use external systems, and there is in-fighting over access & capacity for the internal monitoring =| |
| 16:31 | <@gizmore> | Azash: you could use another box to check that nagios :) |
| 16:31 | <@Azash> | Ouch |
| 16:31 | <@gizmore> | well... some couch for me now! laters :) |
| 16:31 | <@Azash> | gizmore: Yeah I know what you're trying to get at |
| 16:31 | <@Azash> | But you can't guarantee 100.0% uptime, ever |
| 16:31 | <@Azash> | On anything |
| 16:31 | <@gizmore> | no... 2 boxes checking each other is hard to get undetected |
| 16:31 | <@gizmore> | and a false positive is better than somethings off for hours, without noticing |
| 16:32 | <@gizmore> | oh wait... pingdom is on another network ale |
| 16:32 | <@Azash> | Yeah |
| 16:32 | <@gizmore> | oh wait... pingdom is on another network already? ,,, sounds solid then |
| 16:32 | <@gizmore> | laters \o |
| 16:32 | <@Azash> | Toodles |
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| 16:34 | <@Tarinaky> | Things that catch me out going back from Ruby to Python |
| 16:34 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm used to using gg=G to autoindent my code when I add/remove blocks |
| 16:34 | <@Azash> | Don't use ruby, use rc+awk |
| 16:34 | <@Tarinaky> | This does not do the right thing in Python |
| 16:35 | <@Tarinaky> | On account of not being psychic |
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| 16:43 | <@RchrdB> | Azash: rc? |
| 16:44 | <@RchrdB> | gizmore, Azash: we use Pingdom. A large point of it is that it's a monitoring service run by an external 3rd-party who have nothing in common with us, so it's fairly unlikely that both they and we will have simultaneous outages. :) |
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| 17:30 | <@Azash> | RchrdB: Plan9 shell iirc |
| 17:31 | <@Azash> | I was satirically referencing the madness that is harmful.cat-v |
| 17:51 | < Lambo> | ##csharp is an interesting place |
| 17:56 | <@io> | no u |
| 17:57 | | * Lambo throws an IRQ interrupt at io |
| 18:05 | <@io> | isn't that redundant? :P |
| 18:19 | < Lambo> | yes |
| 18:20 | | * io runs SIGKILL on Lambo |
| 18:21 | | * Lambo SIGHUP io |
| 18:22 | | * RchrdB leaves a pointer to a buffer with a message in it in a convenient memory location for the next time io might wish to poll it. |
| 18:22 | | * Lambo watches the OS clear it |
| 18:24 | <@RchrdB> | Lambo, your OS is awful if it goes around wiping out bits of userland programs' state spontaneously |
| 18:24 | < Lambo> | It's a new OS |
| 18:24 | < Lambo> | it's called "Garbage Collector" |
| 18:24 | < Lambo> | nothing accessed that bit and it got repurposed |
| 18:49 | <@io> | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/10/the-devil-had-possessed-hi s-netbook-and-other-tales-of-it-terror/ |
| 19:20 | <@Alek> | http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/22292/1/sci-fi-film-interstel lar-leads-to-new-scientific-discovery |
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