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| 12:50 | | * iospace pokes Syloq 's connection |
| 13:37 | <@Tarinaky> | Advantages of having a team working on the same project as me: I don't have to clean up my own technical debt. |
| 13:37 | <@Tarinaky> | I am a terrible, terrible, person. |
| 14:00 | <@Xon> | Tarinaky, I know the feeling |
| 14:24 | | * iospace yawns, staggers in with coffee |
| 14:55 | <@iospace> | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1357110/misc/uuuhhhh.png |
| 14:55 | <@iospace> | not me |
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| 15:47 | <@Julius> | Second day at work is also not disastrous! |
| 15:49 | <@Tarinaky> | Does anyone have any thoughts on a low-power, low-cost device for running a dicebot on? |
| 15:49 | <@Tarinaky> | Maybe even something like a Raspberry Pi? |
| 15:53 | <@Julius> | PainBot used to run on a Raspi, but then the SD card crashed and burned. I replaced it, but now the thing went offline again. |
| 15:55 | <@Julius> | Use a retired laptop? |
| 15:56 | <@Julius> | Get a postcardware shell account and run the bot on it? |
| 15:57 | <@Tarinaky> | Postcardware? |
| 15:57 | <@Julius> | Send postcard, receive account. |
| 15:58 | <@Julius> | This shell I use to IRC is postcardware. |
| 15:58 | <@Tarinaky> | I see. So is mine. |
| 15:58 | < RchrdB> | Tarinaky: what kind of dicebot? |
| 15:58 | < RchrdB> | one that connects to IRC? |
| 15:58 | <@Tarinaky> | RchrdB: Yes. |
| 15:58 | <@Tarinaky> | Maybe if I had a Pi I could do other stuff on it too... |
| 15:59 | <@Tarinaky> | Like... like... |
| 15:59 | <@Tarinaky> | IDK |
| 15:59 | < RchrdB> | The lowest-power, lowest cost "device" with a permanent internet/irc connection is a tiny virtual machine running on a physical machine which does loads of other stuff too to amortise out the cost. |
| 15:59 | < RchrdB> | well |
| 15:59 | <@Julius> | Tarinaky: Website? File repo? |
| 15:59 | < RchrdB> | Lowest-power, anyway. Lowest cost varies because people who sell VMs sell them kinda expensive as punishment for the fact that they bill by the hour. |
| 16:00 | <@Tarinaky> | Yeah... Most VMs are £10/month. |
| 16:00 | <@Tarinaky> | There're a couple of ones that do £10/quarter |
| 16:00 | < RchrdB> | There are some competitors to the RasPi, but AIUI they all have horrid gotchas and if you want a physical piece of hardware then the RasPi is by far the best option |
| 16:00 | <@Tarinaky> | But they balance it out by being a bit shoe-string. |
| 16:00 | <@Tarinaky> | The gotcha with the RPi seems to be that they aren't actually for sale right now. |
| 16:00 | <@Tarinaky> | Unless I find one on ebay |
| 16:00 | < RchrdB> | e.g. Intel has this thing called "Edison" which sounds kinda cool but you sorta have to make your own PSU and the manuals are totally incomplete. |
| 16:01 | < RchrdB> | Tarinaky: huh? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Raspberry-Pi-Desktop-700MHz-Processor/dp/B00LPESRUK/ref= sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1413903678&sr=8-1&keywords=rasberry+pi+b |
| 16:01 | <@Julius> | Tarinaky: Is the landlord making you pay for energy separately from rent? |
| 16:01 | <@Tarinaky> | When I said low-power I meant in terms of kW hours, rather than Hz fyi |
| 16:01 | <@Tarinaky> | Julius: Yes. |
| 16:01 | <@Julius> | That's bullshit. |
| 16:02 | <@Tarinaky> | Julius: We don't pay the landlord for power. |
| 16:02 | <@Tarinaky> | We pay our own utility bills. |
| 16:02 | < RchrdB> | Tarinaky: anyway, the RasPi is way, way, way, way, way overkill for an IRC bot. :) |
| 16:02 | <@Julius> | That's also bullshit. :P |
| 16:02 | < RchrdB> | you can run an IRC bot and a little web server and write some code (mostly C I guess) on a 100MHz P1 |
| 16:02 | <@Tarinaky> | RchrdB: It's also, probably, cheaper than a VM. |
| 16:02 | < RchrdB> | the RasPi is about 6 times faster than that. |
| 16:02 | < RchrdB> | Yeah, once you amortise it over⦠any length of time. |
| 16:02 | <@Tarinaky> | I could use it for continual integration and have it run unit tests overnight or something. |
| 16:03 | <@Julius> | Just buy a Raspi. They're cheapo. |
| 16:03 | <@Tarinaky> | Although I don't actually do enough personal coding to make that worthwhile. |
| 16:03 | <@Tarinaky> | Yeah, okay. |
| 16:04 | <@Julius> | Mind you, check that you have a compatible monitor first. |
| 16:04 | <@Julius> | Pi doesn't have VGA. |
| 16:05 | <@Tarinaky> | I'd want it headless. |
| 16:05 | <@Julius> | You have to configure it somehow. |
| 16:05 | <@Tarinaky> | I could mount the SD Card? |
| 16:05 | <@Tarinaky> | Maybe... |
| 16:05 | <@Tarinaky> | You're right though... awkward :/ |
| 16:06 | <@Julius> | Could try making a virtual Raspi in your choice of virtualization software, installing the OS and configuring it there, then moving it to the real thing. Yes, very awkward. |
| 16:07 | <@Tarinaky> | But I'd only have to do it once. |
| 16:07 | <@Julius> | Unless you make an error in configuration of the network. |
| 16:08 | <@froztbyte> | you can find some pretty cheap VMs, fwiw |
| 16:08 | <@froztbyte> | like $1.5/m |
| 16:08 | <@froztbyte> | they're supercrappy on disk IO and whatnot, but it's there |
| 16:09 | <@froztbyte> | dig through on lowendbox if that's something you find you might want |
| 16:09 | <@froztbyte> | (just in general, not directed at only julius) |
| 16:09 | <@froztbyte> | (those things make hella nice inter-country bounce shells) |
| 16:09 | <@froztbyte> | oh, Tarinaky, not Julius |
| 16:10 | <@froztbyte> | soz |
| 16:10 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm off home because all my stories are blocked. |
| 16:10 | <@Tarinaky> | Later. |
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| 16:57 | <@iospace> | Guys |
| 16:57 | <@iospace> | i have come up with the most sadistic thing ever |
| 16:57 | <@iospace> | :3 |
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| 16:57 | <@Tamber> | You're making everyone write BIOS code? |
| 16:58 | <@iospace> | embedded Haskell |
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| 17:02 | <@iospace> | Tamber: sadly, I'm no longer involved in BIOS :< |
| 17:03 | <@Tamber> | :p |
| 17:32 | <@iospace> | 11k+ line long SQL script |
| 17:33 | <@iospace> | it's a testament to all our SQL sins |
| 17:34 | <@iospace> | no, I will not explain what it does, other than it's over 11k lines |
| 17:35 | < RchrdB> | iospace: "embedded Haskell" â just switch to JHC, it'll be fine. :3 |
| 17:44 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm having trouble stumbling on the right google invocation to find this... |
| 17:45 | <@Tarinaky> | THere exists a program you run in the background on linux which unifies your xterm/mouse copy/paste buffer and your shift+insert copy/paste buffer |
| 17:45 | <@Tamber> | ...if you find it, please let me know, that sounds rather handy. |
| 17:45 | <@Tarinaky> | I used to have it on my old laptop |
| 17:45 | <@Tarinaky> | I know it exists |
| 17:45 | <@Tarinaky> | But I don't remember what it was called |
| 17:45 | <@Tarinaky> | Ah! |
| 17:46 | <@Tarinaky> | I think it was autocutsel |
| 17:46 | <@Tamber> | It appears so! |
| 17:46 | <@Tamber> | x11-misc/autocutsel |
| 17:47 | <@Tarinaky> | How do I make it autostart in Ubuntu? |
| 17:47 | <@Tarinaky> | Normally there's an .xinitrc file. |
| 17:47 | <@Tarinaky> | But I dunno what the Ubuntu equiv of that is |
| 17:47 | <@Tamber> | Couldn't say. |
| 18:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | For modern DEs it's ~/.config/autostart/*.desktop |
| 18:24 | <@Tarinaky> | Here's an odd one... |
| 18:24 | <@Tarinaky> | I have my tab key et up in insert 4 spaces |
| 18:25 | <@Tarinaky> | In vim |
| 18:25 | <@Tarinaky> | But when I newline... |
| 18:25 | <@Tarinaky> | It inserts 8 |
| 18:25 | <@Tarinaky> | WTF? |
| 18:26 | <@iospace> | Tarinaky: "tabstop" and "shiftwidth" |
| 18:26 | <@iospace> | both should be at 4 |
| 18:26 | <@Tarinaky> | They are |
| 18:26 | <@iospace> | weird |
| 18:27 | <@Tarinaky> | Okay, it only seems to happen inside python multiline comments? |
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| 21:40 | | * TheWatcher flails at OAuth2 and google APIS |
| 21:40 | <@TheWatcher> | s/S/s/ |
| 22:33 | | * TheWatcher has one of those moments where the solution to this hitherto intractable problem suddenly becomes completely clear and obvious, facepalms |
| 22:35 | <@Alek> | at least you got the solution before it was too late. right? |
| 22:35 | <@TheWatcher> | Yes. |
| 22:38 | <@Alek> | we used to have an old ColecoVision that we were trying to hook up to a TV, and failing. one day, while in school, I had a flash of insight on how to do it. came home to see Dad had already tossed it in the trash that day. |
| 22:38 | <@Alek> | it was fairly obvious, too, in hindsight. D: |
| 22:45 | < Reiv_> | ColecoVision? |
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| 23:01 | <&McMartin> | Aw. |
| 23:01 | <&McMartin> | Reiv_: One of the mostly forgotten competitors to the Atari 2600 VCS |
| 23:01 | <&McMartin> | IIRC it was the one with 10-bit words. |
| 23:04 | < Reiv_> | ouch |
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| 23:50 | <@Alek> | used tapes, too. |
| 23:51 | <@Alek> | and later, cartridges. with an adapter attachment. which we also got in the bundle, at a garage sale. |
| 23:51 | <@Alek> | iirc. |
| 23:51 | <@Alek> | it was, after all, like 20 years ago now. :( |
| 23:51 | <@Alek> | between 15 and 20. |
| 23:52 | <&McMartin> | Er. The Playstation 1 came out 19 years ago. |
| 23:53 | <&McMartin> | ... I may have a wire crossed with the Intellivision. |
| 23:53 | <&McMartin> | But the 2600 and such were between 30 and 35 years ago. |
| 23:53 | <&McMartin> | ... Er |
| 23:54 | <&McMartin> | Between 30 and 40~ |
| 23:54 | <&McMartin> | (2600 first released September 11, 1977) |
| 23:54 | <&McMartin> | ... but it wasn't discontinued until 1992 |
| 23:54 | <&McMartin> | So, um, OK, maybe |
| 23:55 | <&McMartin> | The 1970s one was so very 1970s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_2600#mediaviewer/File:Atari-2600-6-Switch.jpg |
| 23:56 | <&McMartin> | You don't see wood paneling on consoles these days. |
| 23:59 | <@Alek> | I mean that's when we picked it up, at a garage sale. not when it came out. :/ |
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