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| 00:15 | <&McMartin> | Oh right, this is the Windows 8.1 thing |
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| 04:47 | <@[R]> | https://twitter.com/fabiopirespt/status/523131011774042112 |
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| 11:15 | <@gnolam> | Glarghl |
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| 11:53 | | * gnolam slow claps pypyodbc. |
| 11:53 | <@gnolam> | Really. |
| 11:54 | <@gnolam> | You do this whole special thing where you can create access database files without access to access (... hah), and you forget to account for /paths with spaces/? |
| 11:57 | <@TheWatcher> | wate wat |
| 11:59 | <@gnolam> | Yeap. |
| 11:59 | <@gnolam> | Worked fine on my computer, failed horribly on the customer's. Took a while to figure out. :P |
| 12:19 | | * Azash hypes some coworkers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWsiw2eExKo |
| 12:38 | <@Tarinaky> | Okay, so here's my problem: |
| 12:39 | <@Tarinaky> | My customer has a Windows machine with some test hardware. |
| 12:39 | <@Tarinaky> | And they flash it with some development image. |
| 12:39 | <@Tarinaky> | And then they want to run my software on their desktop machine, which needs to somehow deploy itself into the virgin test machine |
| 12:40 | <@Tarinaky> | Ideally without modifying the image. |
| 12:40 | <@Tarinaky> | On Linux, I achieved this by using SSHD: which was guarenteed to be running on the test linux machine. |
| 12:40 | <@Tarinaky> | So I could just SCP the important files and carry out the important commands. |
| 12:40 | <@Tarinaky> | I can't think of a direct quivalent in Windows however.... |
| 12:56 | <@Tarinaky> | I guess RDP would be the obvious thing: but is it possible to automate it? |
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| 13:40 | <@[R]> | xdotool |
| 13:40 | <@[R]> | On an RDP client |
| 14:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | I'm not sure rdp is guaranteed to be installed on a virgin windows install, let alone running |
| 14:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | Comedy option: look up a RCE exploit that's not patched in the version of windows they're using for the test machine, use that to bootstrap sshd~ |
| 15:01 | <@Tarinaky> | ToxicFrog: But at least it's garenteed to be install-able :P |
| 15:03 | <&ToxicFrog> | Tarinaky: yeah, but you said "without modifying the image" |
| 15:04 | <&ToxicFrog> | And if you can modify the image, you might as well install sshd and then re-use your ssh-using code, which is likely to be much simpler than trying to remote control rdp |
| 15:06 | <@Tarinaky> | I can't re-use my ssh-using code anyway. |
| 15:07 | <@Tarinaky> | Because the ssh-using code is bound to other dependencies that aren't relevant. |
| 15:48 | <@Julius> | First day of work went just fine. I was a little sleepy, but managed anyway. |
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| 17:10 | <@froztbyte> | http://forkfedora.org/ |
| 17:10 | <@froztbyte> | a la http://debianfork.org/ |
| 17:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | what am I looking at here |
| 17:19 | <@froztbyte> | are you familiar with the fallout from the debian GR about switching the default init system to systemd? |
| 17:31 | <&ToxicFrog> | I know people were unhappy about it |
| 17:35 | <@Azash> | 18:10 <@froztbyte> http://forkfedora.org/ |
| 17:35 | <@Azash> | m'lunch |
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| 19:34 | <@gnolam> | This worked on the first try. Why did it work on the first try? Now I'm deeply suspicious. >:( |
| 19:34 | < RchrdB> | gnolam: :) |
| 20:05 | <@froztbyte> | gnolam: a healthy distrust of computers |
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| 21:28 | <&McMartin> | "systemd betrays the UNIX philosophy"? |
| 21:28 | <@Tamber> | "Do one thing, and do it well" |
| 21:28 | <@Tamber> | Not "Try to do everything, and do it badly"~ |
| 21:45 | <&McMartin> | "You can help by talking to fellow Debian developers and convince them of how wrong is to betray a very big and relevant userbase by listening to desktop needs." |
| 21:45 | <&McMartin> | Wow, really |
| 21:46 | <&McMartin> | How dare they listen to desktop users |
| 21:46 | <&McMartin> | Who, um, definitionally here, since "desktop user" is being used as a direct synonym for "illiterate idiot" on this page, has no idea what the controversy is even about |
| 21:49 | <&McMartin> | I'm not sure what forkfedora.org is trying to say though |
| 21:49 | <&McMartin> | "Fedora already supports both"? |
| 21:49 | <&McMartin> | "Holy cow, look at this pile of garbage you are trying to defend"? |
| 22:05 | <@froztbyte> | definitely the latter, afaict |
| 22:06 | <@froztbyte> | not sure about the former |
| 22:06 | <@froztbyte> | rh/fedora were the first to push systemd |
| 22:06 | <&McMartin> | Mmm. The Remix link made me think "Maybe there is a sysvinit remix" |
| 22:06 | <&McMartin> | And not caring enough to try~ |
| 22:08 | <&McMartin> | Er, to try looking in detail |
| 22:09 | <&McMartin> | I can see why they're so furious, though. |
| 22:09 | <&McMartin> | Those systemd config files contain The Taint Of Redmond |
| 22:09 | <&McMartin> | Merely gazing upon them destroys freedom forever |
| 22:09 | <@Tamber> | oh? |
| 22:09 | <&McMartin> | They're .ini files. |
| 22:09 | <@Tamber> | Ahh |
| 22:09 | <@TheWatcher> | There's a guy on the yagoo linux mailing list that positively froths with rage at the mere mention of systemd |
| 22:10 | <@TheWatcher> | It's quite a sight to behold |
| 22:11 | <&McMartin> | "Other people are now free to do things that make my life harder/mean my preferred techniques don't work 100% of the time" -> "freedom is dead" |
| 22:11 | <@Tamber> | I am quite amused at http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Talk:Comparison_of_init_systems |
| 22:13 | <&McMartin> | Hrm. Upstart is what Ubuntu uses, isn't it? |
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| 23:31 | <&ToxicFrog> | McMartin: re systemd: systemd as a replacement for sysvinit is fantastic. |
| 23:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | I'm less enamored of the fact that it's also a cron replacement, a (shitty) syslogd replacement, a udevd replacement, a login replacement, an ifconfig replacement, and apparently there are plans for it to be a mount and xinetd replacement as well |
| 23:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | Whee let's have a single monolithic daemon that handles fucking everything in a single process |
| 23:33 | <&ToxicFrog> | Nothing can possibly go wrong with this |
| 23:36 | <@Reiv> | Who needs a soul anyway |
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