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| 07:59 | < edali> | g ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org www.ayna.org Herkesi bekleriz servera bu ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server |
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| 07:59 | < edali> | ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org www.ayna.org Herkesi bekleriz servera bu ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.or |
| 07:59 | < edali> | g ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org www.ayna.org Herkesi bekleriz servera bu ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server |
| 07:59 | < edali> | irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org www.ayna.org Herkesi bekleriz servera bu ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org |
| 07:59 | < edali> | ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org www.ayna.org Herkesi bekleriz servera bu ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.or |
| 07:59 | < edali> | g www.ayna.org Herkesi bekleriz servera bu ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org www.ayna.org Herkesi bekleriz servera bu |
| 07:59 | < edali> | ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org www.ayna.org Herkesi bekleriz servera bu ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.or |
| 07:59 | < edali> | g ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org www.ayna.org Herkesi bekleriz servera bu ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server irc.ayna.org ./server |
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| 07:59 | < edali> | :))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
| 07:59 | < edali> | nabersiniz |
| 07:59 | < edali> | cocuklar |
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| 10:00 | < abudhabi> | That was indeed, cockular. |
| 10:04 | | * abudhabi has a funny moment. |
| 10:05 | < abudhabi> | I'm working on hammering out the details of an excel sheet. I send it back in to the requester. |
| 10:05 | < abudhabi> | He sends back a screenshot, saying he gets wrong results. |
| 10:05 | < abudhabi> | I look at it, and initially can't determine the problem. The issue is fixed, so far as I can tell. |
| 10:06 | < abudhabi> | Then I realize the text is in Polish. |
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| 10:22 | < RchrdB> | How would the language that the text is in affect the numerical formulae on the sheet? |
| 10:36 | <@TheWatcher> | The ppolish version of excel expects you to do (B1, A1)SUM= ~ |
| 10:37 | < abudhabi> | RchrdB: Day and month names. |
| 10:49 | < RchrdB> | TheWatcher: that's the Reverse Polish version of Excel. :) |
| 10:49 | < RchrdB> | abudhabi: ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 10:49 | < RchrdB> | wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 10:50 | < RchrdB> | wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 10:50 | < RchrdB> | icky |
| 10:50 | <@TheWatcher> | RchrdB: oh, yeah, right. I always get those backwards. |
| 10:50 | <@TheWatcher> | >.> |
| 10:50 | < abudhabi> | Which part of "working on an excel sheet under gainful employment" is confusing? :V |
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| 10:51 | < RchrdB> | gross gross gross gross gross gross need brainbleach |
| 10:55 | < abudhabi> | RchrdB: Psst. Visual Basic. *flees* |
| 10:56 | < RchrdB> | That part isn't as bad. |
| 10:57 | < RchrdB> | "under-structured strings interpreted as data, with interpretation depending on locale" is just swimming in poo |
| 11:05 | < abudhabi> | The solution to this was simply deleting the data I forgot to delete, so it would assume the user's locale when they enter anything. |
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| 11:14 | <&McMartin> | RchrdB: It's hardly Excel's fault that nobody agrees on what commas and periods mean in numbers~ |
| 11:16 | < abudhabi> | And spaces. |
| 11:26 | < RchrdB> | It's entirely Excel's fault for pandering to multiple interpretations. |
| 11:28 | <&McMartin> | Ah yes, the "my way or the highway" approach to i18n |
| 11:29 | < RchrdB> | i18n isn't appropriate for data processing. |
| 11:29 | < RchrdB> | i18n is appropriate for UIs. |
| 11:33 | <&McMartin> | That's a nice world to live in if you can swing it, I suppose. |
| 11:34 | < RchrdB> | Yes, it's lovely to not be scuba-diving in poo. |
| 11:36 | <&McMartin> | The only case I know of where you aren't is when you can dictate that all information is UTF-8 on the wire and UCS-4 internally. |
| 11:37 | <&McMartin> | And that's just *locale character encoding* |
| 11:38 | <&McMartin> | The one that has caused me personally the most headaches is that there are several Cyrillic encodings and they appear to agree as to which codes are letters, but not as to *which* codes are *which* letters. |
| 11:38 | <&McMartin> | I suppose it's easy enough to sort out if you can read a Slavic language, but I can't, so |
| 11:39 | < abudhabi> | Learning Cyrillic is easy. Learning a Slavic language if you don't already know one isn't. |
| 11:39 | <&McMartin> | abudhabi: Right |
| 11:39 | <&McMartin> | I had to bring someone over for the log reports who *did* read Russian and ask them to let me know as I flipped through encodings when the text turned into words. |
| 11:40 | <&McMartin> | I suppose if I learned the general consonant/vowel setup for Russian I could make educated guesses |
| 11:50 | <&McMartin> | Unfortunately, it turns out "vzglyat" is a word, for instance~ |
| 11:50 | < abudhabi> | Hahaha. |
| 11:53 | <@TheWatcher> | ... any ponunciations I can think of for that make it sound like someone sneezing |
| 11:55 | <&McMartin> | The z is a semi-vowel, you hold it to shift between the v and the gl, the glya is like 'glass' but with a y consonant in there, and t is t. |
| 11:55 | <&McMartin> | ("What's to explain? Perfectly normal word" says the Russian mathematician friend we had asked about this) |
| 11:55 | < abudhabi> | Looking at the word, I'm making a guess it means something like "regard" or "relation" or "reference". |
| 11:56 | <&McMartin> | Something like that, yeah. ISTR it having a shade of "viewpoint" |
| 11:56 | <&McMartin> | It's notable for number of consonants in a row |
| 11:56 | <&McMartin> | English does have the one-syllable word "strengths", and so is no slouch in the consonant game either |
| 12:00 | <&Reiver> | ? |
| 12:01 | < abudhabi> | What is confusing, comrade? |
| 12:03 | <&Reiver> | oh wait, nm |
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| 12:13 | <@gnolam> | Re: Excel. Having different decimal characters is one thing. Having /different function names/ is another. |
| 12:17 | <@gnolam> | (Relatedly, is there a standard for spreadsheet formulae in OpenDocument yet?) |
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| 16:41 | <&Derakon> | Right, time to start figuring out how to lie to ImageJ and get away with it. |
| 16:42 | <&Derakon> | Our project, Micro-Manager, is built into ImageJ, a scientific image display/manipulation program. |
| 16:42 | <&Derakon> | To be able to use its features, you have to use an ImageWindow, one of its classes -- it's through this class that it knows how to access image data, run its plugins, etc. |
| 16:43 | <&Derakon> | Unfortunately ImageWindow descends from an old and outdated window class (java.awt.Frame instead of javax.swing.JFrame), which is causing massive headaches for me, personally, as I try to make out image display windows not look like shit. |
| 16:43 | <&Derakon> | So today I find out if we can have a ghost ImageWindow sitting around that pretends to be the image display window, while our actual window is an entirely custom class. |
| 16:59 | < RchrdB> | Derakon: like you make an ImageWindow, hide it, scrape the pixels off it, replay them on another window that you DO display? |
| 17:00 | <&Derakon> | More like make an ImageWindow, hide it, make our own window that we do display, and route the ImageWindow's accessor calls (to get to image data, etc) to the actual window. |
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| 19:31 | | * Derakon mutters at Java. |
| 19:32 | <&Derakon> | I have a method that re-generates the contents of a window. It leads off with removeAll(), to ensure that things don't get double-added. |
| 19:32 | <&Derakon> | Problem: after calling removeAll(), nothing can be added to the window. |
| 19:36 | <&Derakon> | Ahh. JPanels, because of their hacky implementation, should never have removeAll() called on them. |
| 19:36 | <&Derakon> | Instead you do getContentPane().removeAll(). |
| 19:37 | <&Derakon> | O_o |
| 20:01 | <@gnolam> | It's a pane in the arse? |
| 20:03 | <@Tamber> | getContentPun().removeAll() |
| 20:03 | <@Azash> | $('#pun') |
| 20:04 | <@Azash> | $('#pun').getInnerGROAN() |
| 20:04 | <@Azash> | 17:42 <&Derakon> Our project, Micro-Manager |
| 20:04 | | * Azash snrk |
| 20:12 | <&Derakon> | It's a program for managing microscopes. |
| 20:12 | <&Derakon> | I didn't name it. |
| 20:13 | <@Azash> | Well, rather that than an ERP solution |
| 20:20 | <&Derakon> | Man, it never takes long when digging through the ImageJ code before you find another excellent reason to never fucking work with ImageJ ever. |
| 20:21 | <@Tamber> | *open file* NOPE! *close file, quit editor, shut down PC, leave building* ? |
| 20:21 | <&Derakon> | if (imp.getStackSize()>1 && win!=null && win.getClass().getName().startsWith("loci")) |
| 20:21 | <&Derakon> | return true; |
| 20:21 | <&Derakon> | return false; |
| 20:23 | <@macdjord> | Derakon: That... that's gorrifying. |
| 20:24 | <&Derakon> | Mac: and I ran into it about 30s after I started searching through the code. |
| 20:24 | <@macdjord> | Derakon: It should be "return (imp.getStackSize()>1 && win!=null && win.getClass().getName().startsWith("loci"))". |
| 20:24 | <&Derakon> | That kind of stuff is everywhere. |
| 20:24 | | * Derakon thwaps Mac. |
| 20:24 | <@macdjord> | Seriously, who doesn't collapse their boolean expressions? :-/ |
| 20:25 | <&Derakon> | You don't have any concern for the "I'm going to figure out what this object is by examining the string of the object's name" bit? |
| 20:26 | <&Derakon> | At the very least it should have been something like "win.getClass() == lociWhateverTheFuckClass.getClass()". |
| 20:27 | <@macdjord> | Derakon: But it sounds like they want any of a variety of classes there, all of which start with 'loci'~ |
| 20:27 | <&Derakon> | They really, really don't. |
| 20:52 | <@froztbyte> | "The Humble Mozilla Bundle: Powered by asm.js" |
| 20:52 | <@Reiv> | what |
| 20:53 | < RchrdB> | hehehe cool |
| 20:54 | <@Reiv> | oh my goodness you're not kidding |
| 20:54 | <@Reiv> | Those actually look pretty good at that |
| 20:54 | <@Reiv> | Except I own everything I care about already~ |
| 20:54 | <@froztbyte> | Reiv: does this look like my kidding face? |
| 20:55 | <@Reiv> | I don't know, I've never seen you give birth to goats |
| 20:55 | <@Tamber> | *badumtish* |
| 20:55 | <@macdjord> | froztbyte: Yes. It also looks like your 'life or death' face, your 'oh my sides' face, and your 'look, a purple elephant' face. |
| 20:55 | <@froztbyte> | macdjord: that's the trick |
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| 21:27 | | * iospace replaces all the spaces in ToxicFrog 's code with \x07 |
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| 22:23 | < RchrdB> | phantomjs is legitimately pretty fucking awesome. |
| 22:25 | | * ToxicFrog hands iospace his headphones and then does find ~/devel -exec cat '{}' + |
| 22:25 | <@iospace> | which does? :P |
| 22:25 | < RchrdB> | Generate lots of disk I/O interrupts, seeding /dev/random with delicious entropy. |
| 22:26 | <@iospace> | I was asking ToxicFrog |
| 22:26 | < RchrdB> | I was guessing. |
| 22:27 | < RchrdB> | (I mean what it *does* is concatenate every file under ~/devel, but I don't understand what TF's context is for wanting to do that, so I'm guessing.) |
| 22:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | RchrdB: * iospace replaces all the spaces in ToxicFrog 's code with \x07 |
| 22:27 | <@iospace> | :P |
| 22:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | I am simply showing her the fruits of her labour~ |
| 22:27 | < RchrdB> | Aaaaahh. |
| 22:27 | < RchrdB> | Beepety beep beep beep те |
| 22:28 | <@iospace> | http://40.media.tumblr.com/56e3a3671d60544219b64b221cb47a56/tumblr_n9x64mFpHx1th 9tv0o1_500.jpg |
| 22:29 | <@Namegduf> | What about food that is science? |
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| 23:24 | <@Syloq> | No science! |
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| 23:39 | <@gnolam> | Man. I get surprised every time I try a query in Access and it works on the first attempt. |
| 23:40 | <@Tamber> | s/on the first attempt\./, ever!/ |
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| 23:42 | <&McMartin> | http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/this-poodle-bites-exploiting- ssl-30.html |
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| 23:45 | <@gnolam> | McMartin: aww. An attack named "POODLE" should so have been a kernel exploit. |
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| 23:45 | <&McMartin> | gnolam: ... I'm failing to interpolate the punchline here. |
| 23:46 | <@gnolam> | It would've enabled Goethe/Faust jokes. |
| 23:47 | <@gnolam> | ("Das also war des Pudels Kern!") |
| 23:47 | <&McMartin> | Yep, too obscure for me, sorry >_> |
| 23:48 | <@gnolam> | Bah. Philistines!~ |
| 23:48 | <&McMartin> | That said |
| 23:48 | <&McMartin> | This is effectively a weaker version of BEAST |
| 23:48 | <&McMartin> | So it's still got some juice. |
| 23:49 | <@Reiv> | What's this |
| 23:50 | <@TheWatcher> | SSL 3 sploit |
| 23:52 | < RchrdB> | @tqbf was mentioning on Twitter that apparently POODLE is easier to perform than BEAST. |
| 23:52 | <@Reiv> | What's BEAST then which leads you to having a POODLE |
| 23:53 | <&McMartin> | Another attack on, IIRC, TLS |
| 23:53 | < RchrdB> | BEAST is an attack which takes advantage of TLS 1.0 using CBC wrong. |
| 23:54 | <@gnolam> | See, and there's another missed opportunity. |
| 23:55 | <@gnolam> | If this is another version of BEAST, this could've been "altered BEAST". |
| 23:55 | < RchrdB> | (which was known about for years, but thought impractical to actually attack, then a pair of enterprising souls noticed that web browsers are REALLY easy to trick into sending lots of requests) |
| 23:56 | < RchrdB> | gnolam: no, POODLE is something to do with padding. |
| 23:57 | < RchrdB> | IIRC BEAST was about how you could observe the IVs being used for CBC in successive packets and effectively trick TLS 1.0 into acting like ECB mode |
| 23:57 | <@gnolam> | Also: ahh, backronyms. |
| 23:58 | < RchrdB> | quite |
| 23:58 | <&McMartin> | Also, even though he(?) is not a particularly fantastic VGM remixer, he(?) is competent enough |
| 23:58 | < RchrdB> | POODLE is a pretty good backronm though |
| 23:58 | <&McMartin> | And uses the name "Altered Beats" |
| 23:58 | <&McMartin> | It is an excellent handle for a VGM remixer |
| 23:58 | < RchrdB> | "Padding Oracle On Downgraded Legacy Encryption" actually is a very good description of the problem. |
| 23:59 | <&McMartin> | Probably started as PDLE and picked up some vowels along the way |
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