| --- Log opened Wed Oct 01 00:00:09 2014 |
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| 03:48 | | * Derakon eyes that conversation. |
| 03:49 | <&Derakon> | Never mind that IPv6 will make available something like billions of addresses per person. |
| 03:49 | <&Derakon> | It's not just a patch job for the next few decades. |
| 03:51 | <&Derakon> | ...I vastly underestimated. |
| 03:51 | <&Derakon> | "The address space therefore has 2^128 or approximately 3.4Ã10^38 addresses. This would be about 100 addresses for every atom on the surface of the earth" |
| 03:51 | <@Alek> | this is why the Internet of Things is growing. |
| 03:52 | <@Alek> | IPv6 is possibly enough for at least part of the galaxy. :P |
| 03:53 | <&Derakon> | Wikipedia also notes that only 14% of IPv4 is actually used, and that IPv6 is not intended to be densely allocated; rather, the gigantic subnets are supposed to make routing easier. |
| 03:53 | <@Alek> | it's certainly ample to hardcode IPs into the Internet of Things. |
| 03:53 | <@Alek> | yeah, a lot of IPv4 was allocated to a group of companies who are sitting on the addresses. or using them internally. not sure which. |
| 04:01 | < [R]> | IBM used theirs internally |
| 04:01 | < [R]> | Mostly because they used the most ass-fucking retarded VPN software possible. |
| 04:02 | < [R]> | (Namely, it routed all three private IP groups to the VPN network despite having setting information telling it what subnet the VPN uses. |
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| 05:03 | < Harlow> | Well ebola is finally in the USA. |
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| 12:46 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm having difficulty getting Ruby namespaces to work |
| 12:47 | <@Tarinaky> | I have a module with some methods defined self.foo |
| 12:47 | <@Tarinaky> | I have another module, that extends the first module. |
| 12:47 | <@Tarinaky> | Because I want to provide one interface, while still being able to swap out the back easily. |
| 12:47 | <@Tarinaky> | Except AnotherModule::foo doesn't exist. |
| 12:48 | <@Tarinaky> | Despite it extending the FirstModule |
| 12:48 | <@Tarinaky> | Argh |
| 12:48 | <@Tarinaky> | I swear whoever came up with Ruby's namespaces designed it to be so inconceivably impossible to understand that no-one would be able to use it. |
| 12:49 | <@Azash> | Did you try AnotherModule.foo? |
| 12:49 | <@Azash> | That's the form I use at least |
| 12:58 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm in AnotherModule. |
| 12:59 | <@Azash> | No I mean did you try calling it with a . instead of :: |
| 12:59 | <@Azash> | In case that matters |
| 12:59 | <@Azash> | I haven't actually used the :: form at all myself |
| 13:00 | <@Tarinaky> | module A\n def self.foo\n end\n end |
| 13:00 | <@Azash> | Nevermind |
| 13:00 | <@Tarinaky> | module B\n extend A\n def self.bar\n foo\n end\n end\n |
| 13:01 | <@Tarinaky> | Calling bar results in NoMethodError for foo |
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| 15:18 | <@iofficespace> | ah... setting up environments just the way you like them |
| 15:18 | <@iofficespace> | XD |
| 15:19 | <@iofficespace> | i just need a second monitor and I'm good |
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| 15:20 | <@iofficespace> | (well, a true second monitor) |
| 15:36 | <@iofficespace> | ... this code |
| 15:36 | <@iofficespace> | T_T |
| 15:37 | <@iofficespace> | there are three strings: "tmpStr", "tmpStr2", and "tempStr" |
| 15:37 | <@iofficespace> | in one function |
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| 16:11 | <@Tarinaky> | iofficespace: Look on the bright side, at least they're temporary. |
| 16:11 | <@Tarinaky> | iofficespace: The worst is when tmpStr isn't temp. |
| 16:11 | <@Tarinaky> | Because then it's misleading as well as obtuse. |
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| 16:27 | <@iofficespace> | also, ss64.com is love |
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| 18:22 | <@Azash> | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By4GyZdCUAAWuL3.png |
| 18:22 | | * Azash snorts |
| 18:23 | <@Tamber> | haha |
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| 18:59 | <@iofficespace> | WHY |
| 18:59 | <@iofficespace> | WHY DO YOU WRITE FUNCTIONS WITH WELL OVER 200 LINES |
| 18:59 | <@iofficespace> | THIS ISN'T CS 101 ANYMORE T.T |
| 19:01 | <@Tamber> | Ook? |
| 19:01 | <@iofficespace> | Tamber: this code |
| 19:01 | <@iofficespace> | T_T |
| 19:02 | <@Tamber> | Ook! |
| 19:02 | <@Tamber> | Maybe, one day, I'll reach the lofty levels of code orangutan. |
| 19:03 | <@iofficespace> | like... 200 lines is my hard limit for how long a function should be, personally |
| 19:04 | <@Tamber> | I start to wonder what the hell I'm doing wrong, if my functions reach 50. |
| 19:05 | <@iofficespace> | 50 is the soft limit, but eh |
| 19:05 | <@iofficespace> | Dx |
| 19:09 | <@gnolam> | iofficespace: 200? Hah! I'd kill for a codebase with 200-line functions! |
| 19:10 | <@iofficespace> | gnolam: some of these get up to 1k |
| 19:10 | <@iofficespace> | so yeah v: |
| 19:10 | <@gnolam> | iofficespace: 1000? Hah! I'd kill for a codebase with 1000-line functions! |
| 19:10 | <@gnolam> | :P |
| 19:10 | <@gnolam> | ("Hot gravel!?") |
| 19:10 | <@iofficespace> | (eh?)\ |
| 19:10 | <@iofficespace> | gnolam: I'm missing your joke here |
| 19:11 | <@Tamber> | "When I were a lad..." |
| 19:11 | <@iofficespace> | doesn't explain the joke >_> |
| 19:11 | <@Tamber> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Yorkshiremen_sketch |
| 19:11 | <@iofficespace> | ah |
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| 19:22 | <@gnolam> | Not kidding at all about thousand lines though. |
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| 19:29 | <@Tarinaky> | I confess. I don't mind long-functions as long as they're broken down into sub-sections with ample comments and no code replication. |
| 19:32 | < [R]> | Same, but those are so rare, you may as well just advocate having shorter functions. |
| 19:32 | <@Tarinaky> | /I/ write code like that. |
| 19:32 | <@Tarinaky> | Although not 200 lines. |
| 19:33 | <@Tarinaky> | Maybe 80 with ample white-space. |
| 19:38 | <@macdjord> | A function should be as long as it needs to be to do its niminal purpose. No longer, no shorter. |
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| 19:39 | <@macdjord> | Common code should be split into helper functions, but I see no dufference between a called-only-once helper function and a properly-documented inline block of code. |
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| 19:39 | <@macdjord> | s/niminal/nominal/ |
| 19:43 | <@iofficespace> | macdjord: the issue here is of 1000 lines? only... 20 or so are comments |
| 19:43 | <@Tamber> | And most of them are of the "Magic happens here" variety? |
| 19:45 | <@iofficespace> | yes |
| 19:45 | <@macdjord> | iofficespace: Would it be better if it was broken up into 30 helper functions, nested 3 layers deep, of poorly delineated areas of responsability and misleading names? 'Cause that's what /that/ sort of programmer would give you~ |
| 19:46 | <@iofficespace> | ... what? |
| 19:47 | <@macdjord> | iofficespace: The sort of programmer who produces 1000 line undocumented functions would produce equally inscrutable code even if they were required to break it up into 50-line functions. |
| 19:47 | <@iofficespace> | no shit, but it's easlier to parse what's going on in 50 lines of code compared to 1000 lines |
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| 22:26 | <&McMartin> | https://i.4cdn.org/g/1412184783586.jpg |
| 22:26 | | * McMartin files this under "100% plausible, Too Good To Check" |
| 22:27 | <@TheWatcher> | Given some of the shit I've seen, totally belivable. |
| 22:27 | <&McMartin> | Note that starting in Windows 8.1, GetVersionEx will lie if the .exe manifest doesn't include UUIDs that prove the .exe knows about Windows 8.1 |
| 22:28 | <&McMartin> | Because programmers kept doing if (version != VERSION_I_REQUIRE) instead of if (version < VERSION_I_REQUIRE) |
| 22:28 | <@TheWatcher> | >.< |
| 22:29 | <&McMartin> | Seriously, the changelog entry explaining how GetVersionEx works now was like three screens of WE ARE VERY DISAPPOINTED IN YOU AND ARE TURNING THIS CAR *RIGHT AROUND* |
| 22:31 | <@Tarinaky> | Whereas the Linux devs just laugh, break it, and flame those responsible if they complain... |
| 22:31 | <@Tarinaky> | Maybe flame those responsible anyway |
| 22:31 | <&McMartin> | Kinda |
| 22:31 | <&McMartin> | See also OpenSSH and its thickets of #ifdefs for compiling on PDP-10s and such |
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| 22:32 | <@Reiv> | McMartin: Ahahaha oh my god I would totally see that |
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