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| 02:15 | <@froztbyte> | gnolam: http://thenounproject.com/ |
| 02:18 | <@Alek> | uhhuh. they've started the icon language that Idiocracy uses. |
| 02:21 | <@Reiv> | That could be rather useful. |
| 02:25 | <@Alek> | but not if it replaces English. :( |
| 02:25 | <@Alek> | only as a supplement, I hope. |
| 02:26 | <@froztbyte> | replacing english is a great idea |
| 02:26 | <@froztbyte> | bloody mongrel of a language |
| 02:27 | <@Alek> | well. >_> |
| 02:27 | <@Alek> | not in MY lifetime. :P |
| 02:27 | <@froztbyte> | like you get a say ;) |
| 02:27 | <@Alek> | unless we get software agents to automatically translate for us old fogies. |
| 02:28 | <@froztbyte> | just learn a new one, it's not that hard |
| 02:28 | <@Alek> | and then we might as well use Chinese. |
| 02:28 | <@Alek> | ..... I've already learned one new one, I'm done. >_> |
| 02:28 | <@froztbyte> | and how many programming languages do you know? |
| 02:29 | <@Alek> | natively? none. |
| 02:29 | <@froztbyte> | you're not born knowing english |
| 02:29 | <@Alek> | well enough to use with google and/or a book alongside? eh, I'd say 4, maybe 5. |
| 02:29 | <@Alek> | B |
| 02:29 | <@Alek> | BASIC, C/C++, HTML, Python. and maybe COBOL. |
| 02:30 | <@froztbyte> | right, so that's then how many you've learned so far |
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| 02:30 | <@Alek> | not very well, though. |
| 02:30 | <&ToxicFrog> | froztbyte: except that (a) programming languages tend to be much more internally consistent and easier to learn than human languages |
| 02:30 | <@froztbyte> | the point I'm making is that devs are already much more adept at this than most people are |
| 02:30 | <@froztbyte> | ToxicFrog: yes, I'm getting to that |
| 02:30 | <@Alek> | I definitely won't be sitting down and writing a script without some lookup to refresh my glossary first. |
| 02:31 | <&ToxicFrog> | and (b) learning a language in infancy actually shapes your mind in dramatic ways like being unable to hear phonemes not used in your native language(s) |
| 02:31 | <@froztbyte> | so, thing is, part of it is about the "thought" model behind a certain environment |
| 02:31 | <&ToxicFrog> | So going "well, you learned all these programming languages" is a pretty poor comparison. |
| 02:31 | <@Alek> | except maybe HTML. and BASIC. |
| 02:31 | <@froztbyte> | and that's something devs are typically already much more adept at than most people |
| 02:31 | <@Alek> | and yeah, it's much harder to learn after childhood. |
| 02:31 | <@froztbyte> | there's just a scope change |
| 02:32 | <@froztbyte> | ToxicFrog: I guess I'm just really lucky or something, then |
| 02:32 | <@Alek> | although, I think I may have skipped the phoneme problem. thanks to being deaf. >_> |
| 02:32 | <@froztbyte> | ToxicFrog: I still find it very easy to pick up new language basics (after which I need to get to know more words) |
| 02:33 | <@Alek> | oh, I can definitely pick up words for various languages. |
| 02:33 | <@froztbyte> | Alek: actual deaf? or what? |
| 02:33 | <@Alek> | but picking up enough for a conversation? that's much harder. |
| 02:33 | <@Alek> | yes, actual deaf. |
| 02:33 | <@froztbyte> | interesting |
| 02:33 | <@Alek> | hard of hearing from birth, transitioning to full-on deaf by 20. |
| 02:34 | <@froztbyte> | out of curiousity, which sense do you feel gained most (if anything)? |
| 02:34 | <@Alek> | I definitely could tell apart more phonemes, even as an adult, even with a hearing aid or (later) my cochlear implant, than, for example, my parents. |
| 02:35 | <@Alek> | I've considered THAT one quite a bit... and I'd say I can't really tell that ANY of my senses benefited. |
| 02:35 | <@Alek> | maybe it was one of the further senses, though. not one of the standard 5. |
| 02:36 | <@froztbyte> | sounds like you got a bad copy, I'd phone the manager |
| 02:36 | <@Alek> | although the funny thing is, I seem to have gained a slight RF sense with the Cochlear Implant. sadly, it replaces hearing, and in today's high-tech environments, RF is everywhere. |
| 02:36 | <@froztbyte> | hmm |
| 02:36 | <@froztbyte> | resonance or something? |
| 02:37 | <@Alek> | so basically, it's constant not-really-white-but-very-annoying-tinnitus-like-noise. |
| 02:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | I can hear many electronics. Most useless, annoying superpower ever. |
| 02:37 | <@froztbyte> | it fades in and out for me |
| 02:37 | <@Alek> | oh, really, a lot of (older?) electronics components do produce an audible hum when in action. |
| 02:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | Stumbling around at the ass end of midnight trying to figure out which power brick, phone, or monitor is singing to me. |
| 02:37 | <@froztbyte> | typically I can ID different globe types in lighting |
| 02:38 | <@froztbyte> | Alek: oh, yeah, that kind of thing I'm perfectly aware of |
| 02:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | Alek: older ones are often louder -- old CRT TVs scream -- but modern electronics make plenty of noise too. |
| 02:38 | <@Alek> | and since I've been without my speech processor since winter, because it broke and since it's EOL can't be repaired, and I can't afford a new one... |
| 02:38 | <@froztbyte> | Alek: I was more wondering if it was something like "EM field affects the implant and makes it vibrate" |
| 02:38 | <@Alek> | I've been going CRAZY since last year. :( |
| 02:38 | <@Alek> | well, the implant receives RF from the telecoil, from the processor. |
| 02:39 | <@Alek> | so it's a radio antenna connected to my cochlea. |
| 02:39 | <&ToxicFrog> | Off the top of my head, the charger for my cell phone (it sings when the phone is fully charged), both of my monitors (but only in power saving mode), the overhead light and power conditioning system in my car, and a whole bunch of switches. |
| 02:39 | <&ToxicFrog> | I can't use Dynex switches at all, they're too loud. |
| 02:39 | <@froztbyte> | Alek: yeah, that's kinda what I had in mind |
| 02:39 | <@froztbyte> | Alek: well, I guess you could figure out when magneto's near ;) |
| 02:39 | <@Alek> | heh. |
| 02:39 | <@Alek> | I'm sure. |
| 02:40 | <@Alek> | TF: ok, that's pretty extreme. |
| 02:40 | <@froztbyte> | ToxicFrog: I just accidentally have all of that masked by my microserver's fan noise |
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| 02:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | froztbyte: fans are a sort of soothing white-noise sound. This is high-pitched and cuts right through them. |
| 02:40 | <@Alek> | I really miss music. :( |
| 02:41 | <@froztbyte> | ToxicFrog: oh man, that kind |
| 02:41 | <@froztbyte> | ToxicFrog: right, I know what you mean |
| 02:41 | <@froztbyte> | my chargers aren't that bad, fortunately |
| 02:41 | <@Alek> | heh. my dad stores a bottle of bourbon in his office. for his sick days. |
| 02:41 | <@Alek> | I store a bottle of wild cherry pepsi. |
| 02:42 | <@froztbyte> | Alek: keep that optimism |
| 02:42 | <&ToxicFrog> | Also, on some computers I can hear the sound of data being transferred to and from disk -- not the sound of the disk, but the actual data transfer -- but I think that's due to sloppy positioning of the onboard sound card near the SATA controller. Durandal (which has a dedicated soundcard) doesn't do that. |
| 02:42 | <@froztbyte> | (because you're damned without it) |
| 02:42 | <@Alek> | oh, speaking of RF sensing. |
| 02:42 | <@froztbyte> | ToxicFrog: haha |
| 02:43 | <@froztbyte> | there are some forms of transfer where I can hear network activity |
| 02:43 | <@froztbyte> | but not many anymore...I try somewhat hard to keep my power clean/filtered |
| 02:43 | <@Alek> | I used to be able to "hear" the sound of my flip phone handshaking to receiving a call, about a second or two before it actually rings. when it was in my breast pocket, thus only about a foot from the |
| 02:43 | <@Alek> | *receive |
| 02:43 | <@Alek> | *from the implant |
| 02:44 | <@froztbyte> | any idea why you stopped being able to perceive that? |
| 02:44 | <@Alek> | because I switched to a smartphone. :D |
| 02:44 | <@froztbyte> | ah, frequency bands then |
| 02:44 | <@Alek> | probably. |
| 02:45 | <@Alek> | 2G to LTE. |
| 02:45 | <@froztbyte> | yeah the old handset would've been 900MHz GSM or something |
| 02:46 | <@froztbyte> | the advent of the higher-band phones are also why most things don't cause that radio interference pattern, etc |
| 02:47 | <@froztbyte> | (afaict) |
| 02:47 | <@froztbyte> | we used to have a "radio mic" |
| 02:47 | <@froztbyte> | which in this case means it was a cabled mic that could opportunistically pick up /different/ FM radio stations depending on how/where it's held |
| 02:59 | <@Reiv> | Alek: Poooost. |
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| 03:31 | <@macdjord> | Alek: The speakers on my PC do the same thing. |
| 03:41 | <@Reiv> | Mine would warn me of text messages too, it was fun |
| 04:24 | <@macdjord> | Same. |
| 04:26 | <@macdjord> | I haven't heard it do that since I switched from my old dumbphone to my new Galaxy S5. But that might just be co-incidence; they use the same frequency (my pre-payed phone plan only supports GSM). |
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| 04:28 | <@Alek> | the old dumb phone's antenna might be not as well shielded, too. |
| 04:29 | <@macdjord> | Alek: ... uh, an antenna, by its nature, cannot be shielded. The whole /point/ is to transmit. |
| 04:30 | <~Vornicus> | Which reminds me of my favorite Batshittery Exposed |
| 04:30 | <~Vornicus> | "a tinfoil hat does not and cannot block radio waves. ...most versions, however, do act as an antenna for certain government-controlled frequencies..." |
| 04:31 | <@macdjord> | ... |
| 04:32 | <@macdjord> | And anyone wearing one obviously has /something/ (they think) they have to hide from the government... |
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| 05:00 | <@Alek> | ok, I worded that poorly. |
| 05:00 | <@Alek> | less efficient? stray transmissions in other frequencies than the proper ones? |
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