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| 01:23 | <&McMartin> | I should do some actual work today |
| 01:23 | <&McMartin> | But I also wonder what the next goal for Monocle should be: fonts, or sensible C++ bindings. |
| 01:24 | <&McMartin> | Once I have both of those I can start reimplementing Dapper Delver for real. |
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| 01:38 | <~Vornicus> | fonts are a constant source of :( to me |
| 01:41 | <@Reiv> | Fonts seem sensible; they may cause headaches elsewhere best dealt with prior to implementing C++ bindings |
| 01:42 | <@Reiv> | (I mean, not likely, but the logic of 'finish the engine before working on the controls' seems viable in principle) |
| 01:44 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 01:44 | <&McMartin> | This is not "real" font support, it's basic monospace spritesheet support good enough to make Courier New look OK |
| 01:44 | <&McMartin> | If you want TrueType, link in a TTF library and go to town |
| 01:47 | <@Reiv> | Well, that's a very sensible thing to plug in before you do the bindings |
| 01:47 | <@Reiv> | what with one of the bindings therefore being to fonts~ |
| 01:48 | <&McMartin> | Well, no |
| 01:48 | <&McMartin> | I am explicitly not trying to deal with the unending massive clusterfuck that is TTF |
| 01:49 | <&McMartin> | I instead want something flexible enough to handle what, oh, say, Iji did. |
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| 02:08 | | * ToxicFrog renames the api |
| 02:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | The diffs for this are going to be horrific :D |
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| 03:21 | < Blaze> | abudhabi_: When I was in HelpDesk (1st), this is how it was handled: 1st is the first contact, we make the support tickets and collect all the initial data, solve the issue if we could, pass it to the correct group if we didn't. (We didn't use scripts, but a customer support type setup probably would, we weren't that though). |
| 03:21 | < Blaze> | 2nd tier was deskside, people who handled issues with client-side applications (Windows, Office, etc...) and the workstation hardware. |
| 03:21 | < Blaze> | 3rd teir was the admins, operators and so on. People who handled the servers, databases and all that. |
| 03:29 | < Blaze> | <META NAME='KEYWORDS' CONTENT='mad at my computer repair setup rage prevention |
| 03:29 | < Blaze> | lol |
| 03:31 | | * ToxicFrog pushes a HOT AND SPICY vstruct update |
| 03:33 | <~Vornicus> | How hot and spicy is it? |
| 03:39 | <&McMartin> | I must assume this is related to his previous comment about renaming the entire API |
| 03:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: invalidates all existing code that uses it |
| 03:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | In exchange for this, you get a bunch of internal cleanup, slight improvements in API naming, and soon, backreferences! |
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| 04:07 | <~Vornicus> | Man |
| 04:15 | <&ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: ? |
| 04:16 | <~Vornicus> | That's a lot of stuff |
| 04:16 | <~Vornicus> | Why did you need to change the API for this to work though? |
| 04:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | Oh, I didn't |
| 04:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | But the other ~800 lines of change have been internal groundwork and the starts of implementation for the features I've deemed "2.0" |
| 04:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | And I figure, if I'm incrementing the major version number, might as well make the API changes I wanted to make earlier but didn't because of backwards compatibility. |
| 04:18 | <~Vornicus> | aha |
| 04:18 | <&ToxicFrog> | It's pretty straightforward to convert code to use the new API, and there's a vstruct.compat1x module for people who need to run legacy code without modification, if any exist. |
| 04:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | Backrefs are going to break symmetry, sadly, but getting them to work symmetrically is a Much Bigger Task. |
| 04:20 | <~Vornicus> | "symmetry"? |
| 04:23 | <&ToxicFrog> | It is currently the case that you can round-trip data D through format string F â F (and most D) |
| 04:23 | <&ToxicFrog> | That is to say, the same format string can be used equally for reading and writing. |
| 04:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | Backrefs will break that unless I am Clever. |
| 04:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | E.g. read ".count:u4 $.count * { &toc_entry }" works fine on read, but on write it needs to be smart enough to realize that it can infer the value of ".count" from #data[1] |
| 04:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | This only really arises when using temporaries - "count:u4 $count * { &toc_entry }" works fine - but it's tricky. |
| 04:26 | <~Vornicus> | OH, i SEE |
| 04:26 | <~Vornicus> | with less caps, too |
| 04:52 | <&ToxicFrog> | Substitutions - s$(u4), for example - are even harder. |
| 04:52 | <&ToxicFrog> | Or possibly exactly as hard, I'm not sure, it's late |
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| 10:37 | | * TheWatcher eyes this guy |
| 10:37 | <@TheWatcher> | He's apparently th einventor of the NONEX, a read-only mutex construct |
| 10:37 | <@TheWatcher> | Uh |
| 10:37 | <@TheWatcher> | right |
| 10:38 | <~Vornicus> | read-o... what? |
| 10:38 | <@TheWatcher> | Yes |
| 10:38 | <~Vornicus> | In what realm |
| 10:38 | <~Vornicus> | In what universe, seriously, does one need that |
| 10:38 | <@TheWatcher> | Bugfux insane land,I guess |
| 10:38 | <~Vornicus> | I don't even know what you'd use it for! |
| 10:39 | <@TheWatcher> | you and me both, he claims to have 'proposed' it back in 2005, but provides no documentation or supporting information |
| 10:40 | < Erik> | read-only mutex? |
| 10:40 | < Erik> | I... what does that even do? |
| 10:40 | <~Vornicus> | Only one thread can read this data at a time? |
| 10:40 | <~Vornicus> | I don't know |
| 10:41 | <@TheWatcher> | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dave.wain/ |
| 10:41 | <@TheWatcher> | That, this email, and a completely unhelpful java bug report are all I can find on this guy |
| 10:41 | <~Vornicus> | How did you find him in the first place |
| 10:42 | <@TheWatcher> | He sent a message to work, originally enquiring about taking an MSc, but eventually asking if any of our MSc courses include anything about NONEXs |
| 10:43 | <~Vornicus> | wtfx |
| 10:46 | | * TheWatcher suspects either a troll or a loonie |
| 10:49 | <~Vornicus> | Judging by the website? |
| 10:49 | <~Vornicus> | Loonie. |
| 10:50 | <~Vornicus> | Also what is it iwth people putting current-time clocks on their websites. |
| 10:50 | <~Vornicus> | I have one in the corner of my screen already guys. On every device. |
| 10:53 | < Erik> | I think that's exactly what's with it. |
| 10:53 | < Erik> | Every device has one, so the website gets one too. |
| 11:10 | <@Azash> | A read-only mutex? I mean, that could be specified a bit, but it sounds insane |
| 11:10 | <@Azash> | Does it mean a mutex for read access? A mutex that only an arbiter process can affect? |
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| 14:24 | <@froztbyte> | generated idempotent! |
| 14:25 | <@froztbyte> | you construct it and then YOU SHALL NOT CHANGE THIS SONNY YOU HEAR?! |
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| 23:00 | < Harlow> | is anyone familiar with Xcode and how to change the name of the source file being comiled? |
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| 23:38 | <@celticminstrel> | Harlow: I'm not entirely sure what you mean. |
| 23:39 | < Harlow> | its ok i figured it out |
| 23:40 | <@celticminstrel> | Ah, good to hear. |
| 23:40 | <@celticminstrel> | I am familiar with XCode, in any case. |
| 23:40 | <@celticminstrel> | Though, not the latest version. |
| 23:40 | < Harlow> | It was easier than i thought. |
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