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00:50 | <@celticminstrel> | So it seems that although VS13 supports designated initializers, it doesn't allow them in C++ code...? |
00:51 | <@celticminstrel> | At least, I'm getting errors on them. |
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03:21 | | * McMartin sighs at The Internet. |
03:21 | <&McMartin> | THE NSA CAN REPROGRAM YOUR COMPUTER WITH RADIO WAVES!!!!!111!!!! |
03:21 | | * McMartin goes to find the relevant actual articles |
03:21 | | [R] is now known as Shoat |
03:21 | <&McMartin> | "If the NSA installs a piece of hardware into your system with a radio receiver, it could be used to compromise you." |
03:21 | <&McMartin> | Thank you, bold reporters. |
03:22 | <&McMartin> | I was at least hoping for, like, suddenly noticing that TEMPEST attacks existed. |
03:22 | | Shoat is now known as Vance |
03:26 | <@Reiv> | TEMPEST attacks? |
03:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | Reiv: from outside the building, reading the electromagnetic bleed from e.g. monitors and using that to reconstruct machine state, or at least get screenshots. |
03:29 | <@Reiv> | Ho yes |
03:30 | <@Reiv> | Wait, people don't notice that one? |
03:30 | <@Reiv> | Incidentally |
03:30 | <@Reiv> | Does that still work on LCDs? |
03:31 | < Thalass> | I have heard of using wifi signal strength variations (assuming multiple sources of known power output) as a kind of passive radar to detect humans moving about inside a room. It was reported as "OMG XRAY VISION" or somesuch. |
03:32 | <@Reiv> | That's pretty clever. |
03:33 | <@Reiv> | I know someone doing differential analysis of ping times to locate the infamous Bricked Up Switches. |
03:33 | < Thalass> | heh |
03:33 | <@Reiv> | AKA establishing a network topography when you don't actually have access to the physical cabling. |
03:33 | | * Thalass nods |
03:34 | <@Reiv> | Some days it worked. |
03:34 | <@Reiv> | Other days it didn't, if the switches were crap. |
03:35 | < Thalass> | heh |
03:35 | <@Reiv> | But with the right kit I think he signed off on his thesis with "If you got GPS co-ords of the computers, you could probably expand on my math and it'll tell you where the switches are in the building." |
03:36 | <@Reiv> | "Oh, and fuck people that coil cables." |
03:36 | | * Thalass laughs |
03:49 | <&McMartin> | Infowars reported this as "The NSA can reprogram your computer with radio waves while it is powered down." |
03:50 | <&McMartin> | We should recruit them for agitprop against China or something~ |
03:52 | <@Shiz> | of course they do |
03:52 | <@Shiz> | they understand as 'you can clear a BIOS password by taking out the battery' as 'THE NSA CAN LOCK DOWN YOUR COMPUTER USING THE POWER GRID' |
03:54 | < Thalass> | lol |
03:54 | < Thalass> | Oh infowars. Y U so funny |
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04:24 | <&McMartin> | Hm |
04:24 | <&McMartin> | An actually interesting question. Are USB devices allowed to mess with ACPI? |
04:24 | <&McMartin> | Could one build a USB device that would let you remotely turn on a machine it was plugged into? |
04:25 | <@Shiz> | I'm pretty sure I've seen it before |
04:25 | <@Shiz> | but on an OS-level |
04:25 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, I know wake-up-on-Ethernet-packet-pointed-at-you is a thing |
04:25 | <@Shiz> | > In June 2009, the 4.0 specification added many new features to the design; most notable are USB 3.0 suppor |
04:25 | <@Shiz> | according to the wiki page about the ACPI spec |
04:26 | <&McMartin> | Oh |
04:26 | <&McMartin> | 4.0 spec of ACPI |
04:26 | <&McMartin> | Otherwise that sounded really lame~ |
04:26 | <@Shiz> | hehe |
04:26 | <@Shiz> | they forgot to mention in the usb 3.0 standard that you actually had to implement it |
04:26 | <@Shiz> | hence the 4.0 standard |
04:26 | <&McMartin> | hee hee |
04:26 | <@celticminstrel> | Of course, that would only work if the machine it was plugged into had power... |
04:26 | <@celticminstrel> | Assuming it works in the first place. |
04:27 | <&McMartin> | I did specify "ACPI", which indeed cannot defeat Physically Breaking The Power Circuit. |
04:27 | <@celticminstrel> | So, you're safe if you unplug your computer (or flick the power switch, if there is one) when it's turned off. |
04:27 | <@Shiz> | > |
04:27 | <@Shiz> | ACPI enabled in the BIOS is the source of many USB problems. If you are having problems with USB, ACPI should be disabled. |
04:27 | <@celticminstrel> | Heh. |
04:27 | <@Shiz> | what |
04:27 | <@celticminstrel> | Huh? |
04:27 | <@Shiz> | although I guess the USB part of the ACPI spec refers mainly to powering USB devices |
04:27 | <@Shiz> | not the other way around |
04:28 | <&McMartin> | Oh man |
04:28 | <&McMartin> | It would actually be pretty sweet to be able to charge my phone through a computer that's otherwise turned off |
04:28 | <@Shiz> | McMartin: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Enable_Wake-On-Device_for_Ubuntu |
04:28 | <@Shiz> | here you go. |
04:28 | <@Shiz> | it's possible |
04:28 | <&McMartin> | I am answered! |
04:28 | <&McMartin> | Thanks |
04:29 | | * McMartin is no longer Error. |
04:29 | <@Shiz> | instead you have become planet? |
04:30 | <&McMartin> | I cannot lower the bridge for you |
04:30 | <@Shiz> | makes sense that it's possible too |
04:30 | <@Shiz> | else you wouldn't be able to wake up your PC from USB keyboards |
04:30 | <@Shiz> | that would be rather awkward |
04:31 | <&McMartin> | ... so it would |
04:33 | <@celticminstrel> | Hm, reading that page makes me wonder if I could somehow fix my issue in grub. |
04:34 | <@celticminstrel> | The issue of USB devices not responding on the Windows login screen after rebooting from Lnux. |
04:34 | <@celticminstrel> | ^Linux |
04:34 | <@Shiz> | huh. |
04:38 | <@celticminstrel> | I just have to make sure Windows is shut down rather than suspended if I want to try it, because I can't seem to cancel resume without using the mouse and keyboard. (I can cancel regular login by pressing the power button, but not resume, for some reason.) |
04:39 | <&McMartin> | Oh hey, a friend was finding that he couldn't boot into Ubuntu with a USB mouse plugged in, too |
04:39 | <&McMartin> | I wonder if that's relevant |
04:39 | <@celticminstrel> | Not sure... I'm having no troubles with Linux, though. |
04:39 | <@celticminstrel> | Only with Windows. |
04:40 | <&McMartin> | Unrelated, but I feel the need to share here too: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif |
04:42 | <@Shiz> | 'here you see a wild McMartin inspecting the source code of one of his favourite third-party libraries.' |
04:42 | <@celticminstrel> | I've definitely seen that before. |
04:42 | <&McMartin> | I just encountered it today |
04:42 | <&McMartin> | I am well pleased |
04:42 | <@celticminstrel> | No idea where I saw it last time. |
04:43 | <@celticminstrel> | Pretty sure it was from IRC though. |
05:01 | <&McMartin> | "31:5 In fact, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: 31:5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and put it in the generic arithmetic package." |
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05:18 | <@Alek> | :O |
05:23 | <&McMartin> | If you haven't read kingjamesprogramming it is amazing |
05:30 | < JustBob> | Hrm. |
05:31 | < JustBob> | You know, I kinda want to know if it's possible to do this: A remote desktop program that can start my computer, log in, and let me remote. |
05:31 | < JustBob> | Assuming that the physical power circuit isn't disabled, I mean. |
05:32 | <&McMartin> | Windows Remote Desktop Connection will let you log in too |
05:32 | <&McMartin> | So you'd just need something to do the HEY WAKE UP part |
05:37 | < JustBob> | That's the part that's getting me. I wonder if anyone makes the hardware for it. |
05:37 | < JustBob> | You'd think that it'd be an ethernet card interfacing with AHCI thing. |
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05:45 | < Syka> | JustBob: yes it can |
05:45 | < Syka> | power on via ethernet |
05:45 | < Syka> | you send a ~magic packet~ at it |
05:46 | < Syka> | i have no idea about support |
05:46 | < Syka> | look in your bios |
05:47 | < JustBob> | Ah, interesting. |
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05:57 | <@froztbyte> | it's called Wake On Lan |
05:57 | < Syka> | thats it |
05:57 | <@froztbyte> | so look for that in your BIOS |
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07:31 | < JustBob> | My life is so exciting. Writing power iteration solvers to converge on a suitable set of reactivity and fission source conditions for criticality in a reactor, instead of sleeping. |
07:32 | <~Vornicus> | Sounds like a rip-roading time |
07:32 | < JustBob> | The excitement cannot be explained. |
07:33 | < JustBob> | It can only be endured. |
07:33 | < JustBob> | (Now, with nachos!) |
07:33 | <@froztbyte> | haha |
07:33 | <@froztbyte> | well, that sounds exciting |
07:33 | <@froztbyte> | I mena |
07:33 | <@froztbyte> | mean* |
07:33 | <@froztbyte> | if you fuck up, it's a rather extensive disaster :D |
07:35 | < JustBob> | If I fuck up, my homework grade isn't as high. :p |
07:36 | < JustBob> | Although there is this part of me that wants to learn x86 ASM, just so I can write it in a language the prof doesn't understand. |
07:36 | < JustBob> | Since he does know fortran and cobol. |
07:36 | <@froztbyte> | oh, come on |
07:36 | <@froztbyte> | you know how the world works |
07:37 | <@froztbyte> | some kind of thing will happen, your homework will end up in the planning file |
07:37 | <@froztbyte> | and then suddenly Justbob Reactor Inc. is a thing |
07:37 | < JustBob> | Yes, but my code also includes automatic 'You fucking idiot, this thing will go prompt critical!' warnings. :p |
07:37 | <@froztbyte> | write it in a non-popular lisp |
07:37 | <@froztbyte> | JustBob: that's fine |
07:37 | <@froztbyte> | JustBob: user-friendly reactors! |
07:38 | <@froztbyte> | with elevators that pre-empt you |
07:39 | < JustBob> | "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't let you do that..." |
07:39 | <@froztbyte> | I wouldn't call that one friendly, only polite |
07:40 | < JustBob> | SHODAN the reactor controls AI. :| |
07:40 | <@froztbyte> | :D:D:D |
07:42 | < AverageJoe> | shodan is awesome |
07:47 | < JustBob> | Hrm. |
07:47 | < JustBob> | Almost midnight. Classes at 8am. Energy drink and code... Or sleep... |
07:48 | <@froztbyte> | all of the awakes |
07:48 | <@froztbyte> | do you need much sleep? |
07:48 | < JustBob> | I function on between 4 and 16 hours of sleep a day. |
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08:26 | < freedombot> | hello |
08:27 | < freedombot> | is there anyone here that knows mirc remote scripting? |
08:33 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | What do you need? |
08:35 | < freedombot> | I have a system I'm working on I wonder if you could help me with it |
08:35 | < freedombot> | its pretty small actually |
08:36 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | I can't help you unless you tell me what the problem is. |
08:36 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | Or what you would wish for me to help with. |
08:37 | < freedombot> | ok well It's a twitch.tv bot and basically what I have atm is when anyone types anything in the chat they get a variable %active.nick |
08:37 | < freedombot> | and the part I want to happen is anytime someone has this active they gain points to a .ini file |
08:38 | < freedombot> | my issue is I don't know how to only give someone points when this variable is active |
08:38 | < freedombot> | and to also give points to EVERYONE that's active |
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08:43 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | I'm not sure I understand. |
08:43 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | You want to give someone points every time they write something. |
08:43 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | But only if they're active. |
08:44 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | But they become active by writing something. |
08:44 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | So you just want to give people points for writing something? |
08:44 | < freedombot> | no |
08:44 | < freedombot> | when they write something they become "active" and while they are "active" they should gain points every couple of minutes |
08:45 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | Oh. |
08:45 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | So you want a timer that awards points to active people? |
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08:46 | < freedombot> | yes |
08:46 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | How long are they supposed to stay active for? |
08:48 | < freedombot> | 10 minutes |
08:48 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | And how often do you want to award points? |
08:50 | < freedombot> | probably once every minute |
08:50 | < freedombot> | err one point per minute |
08:51 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | The quick and dirty approach is to have a timer that runs every X seconds that activates an alias. This alias has a while loop that checks every nick on the channel if their $nick(#,$nick).idle is less than 600. If it is, you find them in the .ini and increment their point value. |
08:52 | <~Vornicus> | when the person talks: 1. check for a variable with that person's nick (not sure how to do this) 2. if it exists, delete the timer with that variable's value; 3. set a timer with a fresh ID, and put that in the variable. |
08:52 | <~Vornicus> | (this is a 600 second timer) |
08:52 | < freedombot> | Thing is since it's twitch.tv I'm not sure that some of these things work the same |
08:52 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | Doing it this way does have a few downsides though. Everyone get points simultaneously, which can bog down a system. Having a while loop that checks every nick in a large twitch channel may also bog down the system. And freshly joined people will count as active. |
08:53 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | mIRC remote scripting is mIRC remote scripting. |
08:53 | <~Vornicus> | When you wish to grant points: 1. check your variables list for nick activity variables; 2. increment the points for those you know exist. |
08:54 | < freedombot> | well to become active they have to type so new people wouldnt count as active |
08:54 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | Alternately, whenever anyone speaks you can check if they are in a hash table and if not, add them. And then every X seconds (by timer) give everyone in the hash table points. It's the same approach, takes up more system resources in general but may have less spiky system load. |
08:55 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | You can also set a timer for each individual, and then write that nick to their seperate file. Like ActiveNicks.ini. When the timer expires their line is deleted from this file. And every 60 seconds a while loop runs through the lines of the file and awards the nicks points in a different file. |
08:56 | < freedombot> | hmm |
08:56 | < freedombot> | that would be interesting |
08:57 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | If you call the timer something nick-dependant it should also be fairly easy to update. |
08:57 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | If you don't, it's gonna be a headache. |
08:59 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | The last one seems to be what Vorn was referring to. |
08:59 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | Sorta. |
08:59 | < freedombot> | I'll try it out |
09:00 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | I would advice against using variables. They are more difficult to check, or would take a longer time. |
09:00 | < Yan_Xiao_Lin> | Seperate files or hash tables would serve you better. |
09:00 | < freedombot> | alrigth |
09:00 | < freedombot> | alright* |
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13:59 | | * TheWatcher headdesks |
13:59 | <@TheWatcher> | How, how can someone be so horribly inconsistent with indentation?! |
14:00 | <@TheWatcher> | I mean, it's C, so it'll still work. But I'm tempted to throw python at this student just to see the HORRIBLE FLAILINGS OF DOOM |
14:13 | <@Tarinaky> | TheWatcher: They probably don't understand how indentation is supposed to 'work' |
14:14 | <@TheWatcher> | He's already taken a java course |
14:14 | <@TheWatcher> | And is 60% of the way through a C course |
14:14 | <@TheWatcher> | I've explained it a dozen times, and given over 1000 lines of example code |
14:14 | <@Tarinaky> | Oh well. He must know the material then. |
14:15 | <@TheWatcher> | A couple of hundred of which is in material specifically written for him |
14:15 | <@TheWatcher> | At this point I simply can not actually explain it >.< |
14:15 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm sure that's true. |
14:16 | <@Tarinaky> | But I still think the problem is he doesn't understand indentation and blocks. |
14:16 | <@TheWatcher> | The code is (mostly) right. It just looks like he hammers randomly on the spacebar at the start of lines |
14:17 | <@Tarinaky> | Maybe he's unwilling to change his habits because his habits are acceptably effective? |
14:17 | <@Tarinaky> | Insert joke about printing a photograph, scanning it into a word document and emailing it to be printed. |
14:20 | < AbuDhabi_> | His mind is the wrong shape for indentation. |
14:20 | <@Tarinaky> | One can imagine that if one's only means of indenting a large program is to hammer on the space key the correct number of times at the start of each line, with no auto-indent or tab key... |
14:21 | <@TheWatcher> | AbuDhabi_: That's probably the most accurate assessment |
14:21 | <@Tarinaky> | That the only solution to this problem is 'install and learn another text editor'... |
14:21 | <@Tarinaky> | And, being honest about the student body here, one would get no acceptable help in such a migration. |
14:21 | <@Tarinaky> | "Lol, learn vi/emacs" |
14:22 | <@Tarinaky> | "How do I do 'specific job X' that I have the keyboard shortcut to memorised?" "No idea, RTFM nub" |
14:22 | < AbuDhabi_> | TheWatcher: Have you determined if he uses a fixed width font in his editor or not? |
14:22 | <@Tarinaky> | That's... actually a good point. |
14:23 | <@Tarinaky> | Are they dyslexic? |
14:23 | <@Tarinaky> | Maybe their screen-reader only works in Word? |
14:23 | <@TheWatcher> | No, no disabilities on file |
14:23 | <@Tarinaky> | So they write their code in a non-code editor and copy+paste it? |
14:23 | <@Tarinaky> | You know, I'm actually slightly worried that you /answered/ that question... |
14:23 | <@Tarinaky> | You probably shouldn't have >.> |
14:24 | <@TheWatcher> | Not like I've actually given any information about who this is |
14:24 | < AbuDhabi_> | Or anything damning. "OH NO, HE IS NORMALLY ABLED!" |
14:24 | <@Tarinaky> | I would argue that counted in and of itself as a piece of identifying information. |
14:25 | <@Tarinaky> | I mean, no-one here is malicious anyway... but... yeah. That should totally be against policy. |
14:25 | <@froztbyte> | Tarinaky: you're recurringly optimistic about students not being complete pieces of shit |
14:25 | <@TheWatcher> | (and FWIW, they're recommended to use code::blocks, notepad++, Textwrangler, or "I'll help if you want to try emacs") |
14:25 | <@froztbyte> | I'm confused as to why |
14:25 | <@froztbyte> | since the majority of them are, in fact, complete pieces of shit |
14:25 | <@Tarinaky> | If it isn't against policy the policy is wrong~ |
14:26 | <@Tarinaky> | froztbyte: This is easily explained by the fact I am an Undergraduate. |
14:26 | <@froztbyte> | why would it be? |
14:26 | <@Tarinaky> | And a consistently under-achieving undergraduate. |
14:26 | <@Tarinaky> | +at that |
14:26 | <@froztbyte> | heh |
14:26 | <@Tarinaky> | Anyway. I /really/ meant to go out of the house an hour and a half ago. |
14:26 | <@Tarinaky> | So... *gone* |
14:26 | <@froztbyte> | fortunately the rest of the world isn't particularly fussed |
14:26 | < AbuDhabi_> | froztbyte: Long story short, it is nicer to his own ego to think that students fail because of their environment, not their own damn fault. |
14:27 | <@froztbyte> | so academia-bubble might not be the only place to consider things about oneself |
14:27 | <@Tarinaky> | I didn't say that. |
14:27 | <@froztbyte> | AbuDhabi_: haha |
14:27 | <@Tarinaky> | You make it sound like I blame TheWatcher for being a bad teacher which is /totally/ not what I mean at all. |
14:28 | <@froztbyte> | Tarinaky: anyway, you don't sound like a complete moron |
14:28 | <@froztbyte> | Tarinaky: so all I expect you lack is experience |
14:28 | <@froztbyte> | and that'll come soon enough |
14:28 | <@Tarinaky> | froztbyte: If morons sounded like complete morons there'd never be any danger of them fucking with things :p |
14:28 | < AbuDhabi_> | Tarinaky wants to teach? |
14:28 | <@Tarinaky> | AbuDhabi_: Fuck. No. |
14:29 | < AbuDhabi_> | Then experience is unlikely to come. :P |
14:29 | <@froztbyte> | Tarinaky: I can pick morons out pretty well. I've levelled up pretty far at identifying them. |
14:29 | <@Tarinaky> | froztbyte: "How to identify morons at a distance. *slide* Number 27... The Gumby." |
14:30 | <@TheWatcher> | Pft |
14:33 | < AbuDhabi_> | froztbyte: What are your clues towards moronicity? |
14:33 | <@froztbyte> | AbuDhabi_: hmmm, it's usually more situational |
14:34 | <@froztbyte> | but typical things are non-sequitors, blatant miscomprehension despite repeated arguments/hinting to the contrary, downright "I know better" |
14:34 | <@froztbyte> | etc |
14:43 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[afk] |
14:57 | < RichyB> | Tarinaky, I personally have failed to weed out morons in the past. |
14:57 | < RichyB> | Being unsure of yourself makes bringing up bogosity problems difficult. |
14:58 | <@Tarinaky> | Bogosity? |
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15:13 | < RichyB> | Tarinaky, bogosity: n. the state of being bogus, unfit for putative purchase, a bit dumb. |
15:14 | < AbuDhabi_> | 2. the state of emiting bogons. |
15:14 | < RichyB> | AbuDhabi_, that. |
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15:28 | <@Tarinaky> | TIL a new acronym. |
15:28 | <@Tarinaky> | TARFUN |
15:28 | <@Tarinaky> | Things Are Really Fucked Up Now. Apparently it's somewhere between SNAFU and FUBAR |
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17:52 | < macdjord> | <JustBob> SHODAN the reactor controls AI. :| |
17:52 | < macdjord> | "Warning: If the AI starts describing people as insects, hit the SCRAM button." |
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