code logs -> 2014 -> Thu, 16 Jan 2014< code.20140115.log - code.20140117.log >
--- Log opened Thu Jan 16 00:00:52 2014
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<@celticminstrel>
So it seems that although VS13 supports designated initializers, it doesn't allow them in C++ code...?
00:51
<@celticminstrel>
At least, I'm getting errors on them.
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03:21 * McMartin sighs at The Internet.
03:21
<&McMartin>
THE NSA CAN REPROGRAM YOUR COMPUTER WITH RADIO WAVES!!!!!111!!!!
03:21 * McMartin goes to find the relevant actual articles
03:21 [R] is now known as Shoat
03:21
<&McMartin>
"If the NSA installs a piece of hardware into your system with a radio receiver, it could be used to compromise you."
03:21
<&McMartin>
Thank you, bold reporters.
03:22
<&McMartin>
I was at least hoping for, like, suddenly noticing that TEMPEST attacks existed.
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03:26
<@Reiv>
TEMPEST attacks?
03:29
<&ToxicFrog>
Reiv: from outside the building, reading the electromagnetic bleed from e.g. monitors and using that to reconstruct machine state, or at least get screenshots.
03:29
<@Reiv>
Ho yes
03:30
<@Reiv>
Wait, people don't notice that one?
03:30
<@Reiv>
Incidentally
03:30
<@Reiv>
Does that still work on LCDs?
03:31
< Thalass>
I have heard of using wifi signal strength variations (assuming multiple sources of known power output) as a kind of passive radar to detect humans moving about inside a room. It was reported as "OMG XRAY VISION" or somesuch.
03:32
<@Reiv>
That's pretty clever.
03:33
<@Reiv>
I know someone doing differential analysis of ping times to locate the infamous Bricked Up Switches.
03:33
< Thalass>
heh
03:33
<@Reiv>
AKA establishing a network topography when you don't actually have access to the physical cabling.
03:33 * Thalass nods
03:34
<@Reiv>
Some days it worked.
03:34
<@Reiv>
Other days it didn't, if the switches were crap.
03:35
< Thalass>
heh
03:35
<@Reiv>
But with the right kit I think he signed off on his thesis with "If you got GPS co-ords of the computers, you could probably expand on my math and it'll tell you where the switches are in the building."
03:36
<@Reiv>
"Oh, and fuck people that coil cables."
03:36 * Thalass laughs
03:49
<&McMartin>
Infowars reported this as "The NSA can reprogram your computer with radio waves while it is powered down."
03:50
<&McMartin>
We should recruit them for agitprop against China or something~
03:52
<@Shiz>
of course they do
03:52
<@Shiz>
they understand as 'you can clear a BIOS password by taking out the battery' as 'THE NSA CAN LOCK DOWN YOUR COMPUTER USING THE POWER GRID'
03:54
< Thalass>
lol
03:54
< Thalass>
Oh infowars. Y U so funny
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04:24
<&McMartin>
Hm
04:24
<&McMartin>
An actually interesting question. Are USB devices allowed to mess with ACPI?
04:24
<&McMartin>
Could one build a USB device that would let you remotely turn on a machine it was plugged into?
04:25
<@Shiz>
I'm pretty sure I've seen it before
04:25
<@Shiz>
but on an OS-level
04:25
<&McMartin>
Yeah, I know wake-up-on-Ethernet-packet-pointed-at-you is a thing
04:25
<@Shiz>
> In June 2009, the 4.0 specification added many new features to the design; most notable are USB 3.0 suppor
04:25
<@Shiz>
according to the wiki page about the ACPI spec
04:26
<&McMartin>
Oh
04:26
<&McMartin>
4.0 spec of ACPI
04:26
<&McMartin>
Otherwise that sounded really lame~
04:26
<@Shiz>
hehe
04:26
<@Shiz>
they forgot to mention in the usb 3.0 standard that you actually had to implement it
04:26
<@Shiz>
hence the 4.0 standard
04:26
<&McMartin>
hee hee
04:26
<@celticminstrel>
Of course, that would only work if the machine it was plugged into had power...
04:26
<@celticminstrel>
Assuming it works in the first place.
04:27
<&McMartin>
I did specify "ACPI", which indeed cannot defeat Physically Breaking The Power Circuit.
04:27
<@celticminstrel>
So, you're safe if you unplug your computer (or flick the power switch, if there is one) when it's turned off.
04:27
<@Shiz>
>
04:27
<@Shiz>
ACPI enabled in the BIOS is the source of many USB problems. If you are having problems with USB, ACPI should be disabled.
04:27
<@celticminstrel>
Heh.
04:27
<@Shiz>
what
04:27
<@celticminstrel>
Huh?
04:27
<@Shiz>
although I guess the USB part of the ACPI spec refers mainly to powering USB devices
04:27
<@Shiz>
not the other way around
04:28
<&McMartin>
Oh man
04:28
<&McMartin>
It would actually be pretty sweet to be able to charge my phone through a computer that's otherwise turned off
04:28
<@Shiz>
McMartin: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Enable_Wake-On-Device_for_Ubuntu
04:28
<@Shiz>
here you go.
04:28
<@Shiz>
it's possible
04:28
<&McMartin>
I am answered!
04:28
<&McMartin>
Thanks
04:29 * McMartin is no longer Error.
04:29
<@Shiz>
instead you have become planet?
04:30
<&McMartin>
I cannot lower the bridge for you
04:30
<@Shiz>
makes sense that it's possible too
04:30
<@Shiz>
else you wouldn't be able to wake up your PC from USB keyboards
04:30
<@Shiz>
that would be rather awkward
04:31
<&McMartin>
... so it would
04:33
<@celticminstrel>
Hm, reading that page makes me wonder if I could somehow fix my issue in grub.
04:34
<@celticminstrel>
The issue of USB devices not responding on the Windows login screen after rebooting from Lnux.
04:34
<@celticminstrel>
^Linux
04:34
<@Shiz>
huh.
04:38
<@celticminstrel>
I just have to make sure Windows is shut down rather than suspended if I want to try it, because I can't seem to cancel resume without using the mouse and keyboard. (I can cancel regular login by pressing the power button, but not resume, for some reason.)
04:39
<&McMartin>
Oh hey, a friend was finding that he couldn't boot into Ubuntu with a USB mouse plugged in, too
04:39
<&McMartin>
I wonder if that's relevant
04:39
<@celticminstrel>
Not sure... I'm having no troubles with Linux, though.
04:39
<@celticminstrel>
Only with Windows.
04:40
<&McMartin>
Unrelated, but I feel the need to share here too: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif
04:42
<@Shiz>
'here you see a wild McMartin inspecting the source code of one of his favourite third-party libraries.'
04:42
<@celticminstrel>
I've definitely seen that before.
04:42
<&McMartin>
I just encountered it today
04:42
<&McMartin>
I am well pleased
04:42
<@celticminstrel>
No idea where I saw it last time.
04:43
<@celticminstrel>
Pretty sure it was from IRC though.
05:01
<&McMartin>
"31:5 In fact, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: 31:5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and put it in the generic arithmetic package."
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05:18
<@Alek>
:O
05:23
<&McMartin>
If you haven't read kingjamesprogramming it is amazing
05:30
< JustBob>
Hrm.
05:31
< JustBob>
You know, I kinda want to know if it's possible to do this: A remote desktop program that can start my computer, log in, and let me remote.
05:31
< JustBob>
Assuming that the physical power circuit isn't disabled, I mean.
05:32
<&McMartin>
Windows Remote Desktop Connection will let you log in too
05:32
<&McMartin>
So you'd just need something to do the HEY WAKE UP part
05:37
< JustBob>
That's the part that's getting me. I wonder if anyone makes the hardware for it.
05:37
< JustBob>
You'd think that it'd be an ethernet card interfacing with AHCI thing.
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05:45
< Syka>
JustBob: yes it can
05:45
< Syka>
power on via ethernet
05:45
< Syka>
you send a ~magic packet~ at it
05:46
< Syka>
i have no idea about support
05:46
< Syka>
look in your bios
05:47
< JustBob>
Ah, interesting.
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05:57
<@froztbyte>
it's called Wake On Lan
05:57
< Syka>
thats it
05:57
<@froztbyte>
so look for that in your BIOS
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07:31
< JustBob>
My life is so exciting. Writing power iteration solvers to converge on a suitable set of reactivity and fission source conditions for criticality in a reactor, instead of sleeping.
07:32
<~Vornicus>
Sounds like a rip-roading time
07:32
< JustBob>
The excitement cannot be explained.
07:33
< JustBob>
It can only be endured.
07:33
< JustBob>
(Now, with nachos!)
07:33
<@froztbyte>
haha
07:33
<@froztbyte>
well, that sounds exciting
07:33
<@froztbyte>
I mena
07:33
<@froztbyte>
mean*
07:33
<@froztbyte>
if you fuck up, it's a rather extensive disaster :D
07:35
< JustBob>
If I fuck up, my homework grade isn't as high. :p
07:36
< JustBob>
Although there is this part of me that wants to learn x86 ASM, just so I can write it in a language the prof doesn't understand.
07:36
< JustBob>
Since he does know fortran and cobol.
07:36
<@froztbyte>
oh, come on
07:36
<@froztbyte>
you know how the world works
07:37
<@froztbyte>
some kind of thing will happen, your homework will end up in the planning file
07:37
<@froztbyte>
and then suddenly Justbob Reactor Inc. is a thing
07:37
< JustBob>
Yes, but my code also includes automatic 'You fucking idiot, this thing will go prompt critical!' warnings. :p
07:37
<@froztbyte>
write it in a non-popular lisp
07:37
<@froztbyte>
JustBob: that's fine
07:37
<@froztbyte>
JustBob: user-friendly reactors!
07:38
<@froztbyte>
with elevators that pre-empt you
07:39
< JustBob>
"I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't let you do that..."
07:39
<@froztbyte>
I wouldn't call that one friendly, only polite
07:40
< JustBob>
SHODAN the reactor controls AI. :|
07:40
<@froztbyte>
:D:D:D
07:42
< AverageJoe>
shodan is awesome
07:47
< JustBob>
Hrm.
07:47
< JustBob>
Almost midnight. Classes at 8am. Energy drink and code... Or sleep...
07:48
<@froztbyte>
all of the awakes
07:48
<@froztbyte>
do you need much sleep?
07:48
< JustBob>
I function on between 4 and 16 hours of sleep a day.
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08:26
< freedombot>
hello
08:27
< freedombot>
is there anyone here that knows mirc remote scripting?
08:33
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
What do you need?
08:35
< freedombot>
I have a system I'm working on I wonder if you could help me with it
08:35
< freedombot>
its pretty small actually
08:36
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
I can't help you unless you tell me what the problem is.
08:36
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
Or what you would wish for me to help with.
08:37
< freedombot>
ok well It's a twitch.tv bot and basically what I have atm is when anyone types anything in the chat they get a variable %active.nick
08:37
< freedombot>
and the part I want to happen is anytime someone has this active they gain points to a .ini file
08:38
< freedombot>
my issue is I don't know how to only give someone points when this variable is active
08:38
< freedombot>
and to also give points to EVERYONE that's active
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08:43
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
I'm not sure I understand.
08:43
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
You want to give someone points every time they write something.
08:43
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
But only if they're active.
08:44
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
But they become active by writing something.
08:44
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
So you just want to give people points for writing something?
08:44
< freedombot>
no
08:44
< freedombot>
when they write something they become "active" and while they are "active" they should gain points every couple of minutes
08:45
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
Oh.
08:45
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
So you want a timer that awards points to active people?
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08:46
< freedombot>
yes
08:46
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
How long are they supposed to stay active for?
08:48
< freedombot>
10 minutes
08:48
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
And how often do you want to award points?
08:50
< freedombot>
probably once every minute
08:50
< freedombot>
err one point per minute
08:51
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
The quick and dirty approach is to have a timer that runs every X seconds that activates an alias. This alias has a while loop that checks every nick on the channel if their $nick(#,$nick).idle is less than 600. If it is, you find them in the .ini and increment their point value.
08:52
<~Vornicus>
when the person talks: 1. check for a variable with that person's nick (not sure how to do this) 2. if it exists, delete the timer with that variable's value; 3. set a timer with a fresh ID, and put that in the variable.
08:52
<~Vornicus>
(this is a 600 second timer)
08:52
< freedombot>
Thing is since it's twitch.tv I'm not sure that some of these things work the same
08:52
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
Doing it this way does have a few downsides though. Everyone get points simultaneously, which can bog down a system. Having a while loop that checks every nick in a large twitch channel may also bog down the system. And freshly joined people will count as active.
08:53
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
mIRC remote scripting is mIRC remote scripting.
08:53
<~Vornicus>
When you wish to grant points: 1. check your variables list for nick activity variables; 2. increment the points for those you know exist.
08:54
< freedombot>
well to become active they have to type so new people wouldnt count as active
08:54
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
Alternately, whenever anyone speaks you can check if they are in a hash table and if not, add them. And then every X seconds (by timer) give everyone in the hash table points. It's the same approach, takes up more system resources in general but may have less spiky system load.
08:55
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
You can also set a timer for each individual, and then write that nick to their seperate file. Like ActiveNicks.ini. When the timer expires their line is deleted from this file. And every 60 seconds a while loop runs through the lines of the file and awards the nicks points in a different file.
08:56
< freedombot>
hmm
08:56
< freedombot>
that would be interesting
08:57
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
If you call the timer something nick-dependant it should also be fairly easy to update.
08:57
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
If you don't, it's gonna be a headache.
08:59
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
The last one seems to be what Vorn was referring to.
08:59
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
Sorta.
08:59
< freedombot>
I'll try it out
09:00
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
I would advice against using variables. They are more difficult to check, or would take a longer time.
09:00
< Yan_Xiao_Lin>
Seperate files or hash tables would serve you better.
09:00
< freedombot>
alrigth
09:00
< freedombot>
alright*
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13:59 * TheWatcher headdesks
13:59
<@TheWatcher>
How, how can someone be so horribly inconsistent with indentation?!
14:00
<@TheWatcher>
I mean, it's C, so it'll still work. But I'm tempted to throw python at this student just to see the HORRIBLE FLAILINGS OF DOOM
14:13
<@Tarinaky>
TheWatcher: They probably don't understand how indentation is supposed to 'work'
14:14
<@TheWatcher>
He's already taken a java course
14:14
<@TheWatcher>
And is 60% of the way through a C course
14:14
<@TheWatcher>
I've explained it a dozen times, and given over 1000 lines of example code
14:14
<@Tarinaky>
Oh well. He must know the material then.
14:15
<@TheWatcher>
A couple of hundred of which is in material specifically written for him
14:15
<@TheWatcher>
At this point I simply can not actually explain it >.<
14:15
<@Tarinaky>
I'm sure that's true.
14:16
<@Tarinaky>
But I still think the problem is he doesn't understand indentation and blocks.
14:16
<@TheWatcher>
The code is (mostly) right. It just looks like he hammers randomly on the spacebar at the start of lines
14:17
<@Tarinaky>
Maybe he's unwilling to change his habits because his habits are acceptably effective?
14:17
<@Tarinaky>
Insert joke about printing a photograph, scanning it into a word document and emailing it to be printed.
14:20
< AbuDhabi_>
His mind is the wrong shape for indentation.
14:20
<@Tarinaky>
One can imagine that if one's only means of indenting a large program is to hammer on the space key the correct number of times at the start of each line, with no auto-indent or tab key...
14:21
<@TheWatcher>
AbuDhabi_: That's probably the most accurate assessment
14:21
<@Tarinaky>
That the only solution to this problem is 'install and learn another text editor'...
14:21
<@Tarinaky>
And, being honest about the student body here, one would get no acceptable help in such a migration.
14:21
<@Tarinaky>
"Lol, learn vi/emacs"
14:22
<@Tarinaky>
"How do I do 'specific job X' that I have the keyboard shortcut to memorised?" "No idea, RTFM nub"
14:22
< AbuDhabi_>
TheWatcher: Have you determined if he uses a fixed width font in his editor or not?
14:22
<@Tarinaky>
That's... actually a good point.
14:23
<@Tarinaky>
Are they dyslexic?
14:23
<@Tarinaky>
Maybe their screen-reader only works in Word?
14:23
<@TheWatcher>
No, no disabilities on file
14:23
<@Tarinaky>
So they write their code in a non-code editor and copy+paste it?
14:23
<@Tarinaky>
You know, I'm actually slightly worried that you /answered/ that question...
14:23
<@Tarinaky>
You probably shouldn't have >.>
14:24
<@TheWatcher>
Not like I've actually given any information about who this is
14:24
< AbuDhabi_>
Or anything damning. "OH NO, HE IS NORMALLY ABLED!"
14:24
<@Tarinaky>
I would argue that counted in and of itself as a piece of identifying information.
14:25
<@Tarinaky>
I mean, no-one here is malicious anyway... but... yeah. That should totally be against policy.
14:25
<@froztbyte>
Tarinaky: you're recurringly optimistic about students not being complete pieces of shit
14:25
<@TheWatcher>
(and FWIW, they're recommended to use code::blocks, notepad++, Textwrangler, or "I'll help if you want to try emacs")
14:25
<@froztbyte>
I'm confused as to why
14:25
<@froztbyte>
since the majority of them are, in fact, complete pieces of shit
14:25
<@Tarinaky>
If it isn't against policy the policy is wrong~
14:26
<@Tarinaky>
froztbyte: This is easily explained by the fact I am an Undergraduate.
14:26
<@froztbyte>
why would it be?
14:26
<@Tarinaky>
And a consistently under-achieving undergraduate.
14:26
<@Tarinaky>
+at that
14:26
<@froztbyte>
heh
14:26
<@Tarinaky>
Anyway. I /really/ meant to go out of the house an hour and a half ago.
14:26
<@Tarinaky>
So... *gone*
14:26
<@froztbyte>
fortunately the rest of the world isn't particularly fussed
14:26
< AbuDhabi_>
froztbyte: Long story short, it is nicer to his own ego to think that students fail because of their environment, not their own damn fault.
14:27
<@froztbyte>
so academia-bubble might not be the only place to consider things about oneself
14:27
<@Tarinaky>
I didn't say that.
14:27
<@froztbyte>
AbuDhabi_: haha
14:27
<@Tarinaky>
You make it sound like I blame TheWatcher for being a bad teacher which is /totally/ not what I mean at all.
14:28
<@froztbyte>
Tarinaky: anyway, you don't sound like a complete moron
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<@froztbyte>
Tarinaky: so all I expect you lack is experience
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<@froztbyte>
and that'll come soon enough
14:28
<@Tarinaky>
froztbyte: If morons sounded like complete morons there'd never be any danger of them fucking with things :p
14:28
< AbuDhabi_>
Tarinaky wants to teach?
14:28
<@Tarinaky>
AbuDhabi_: Fuck. No.
14:29
< AbuDhabi_>
Then experience is unlikely to come. :P
14:29
<@froztbyte>
Tarinaky: I can pick morons out pretty well. I've levelled up pretty far at identifying them.
14:29
<@Tarinaky>
froztbyte: "How to identify morons at a distance. *slide* Number 27... The Gumby."
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<@TheWatcher>
Pft
14:33
< AbuDhabi_>
froztbyte: What are your clues towards moronicity?
14:33
<@froztbyte>
AbuDhabi_: hmmm, it's usually more situational
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<@froztbyte>
but typical things are non-sequitors, blatant miscomprehension despite repeated arguments/hinting to the contrary, downright "I know better"
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<@froztbyte>
etc
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14:57
< RichyB>
Tarinaky, I personally have failed to weed out morons in the past.
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< RichyB>
Being unsure of yourself makes bringing up bogosity problems difficult.
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<@Tarinaky>
Bogosity?
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< RichyB>
Tarinaky, bogosity: n. the state of being bogus, unfit for putative purchase, a bit dumb.
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< AbuDhabi_>
2. the state of emiting bogons.
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< RichyB>
AbuDhabi_, that.
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<@Tarinaky>
TIL a new acronym.
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<@Tarinaky>
TARFUN
15:28
<@Tarinaky>
Things Are Really Fucked Up Now. Apparently it's somewhere between SNAFU and FUBAR
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< macdjord>
<JustBob> SHODAN the reactor controls AI. :|
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< macdjord>
"Warning: If the AI starts describing people as insects, hit the SCRAM button."
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