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| 00:12 | <@Alek> | oooh |
| 00:12 | | * Alek checks a kick he'd bookmarked |
| 00:12 | <@Alek> | http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/9-arduino-compatible-starter-kit-anyone-can-le arn-electronics |
| 00:13 | <@Alek> | that's a NICE margin they went over by. |
| 00:13 | <@Alek> | sold out on everything, too XD |
| 00:14 | <@Alek> | too bad I couldn't kick in :( |
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| 00:16 | <@gnolam> | Alek: completely pointless for a non-USian though. |
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| 00:39 | <@Alek> | er. why? |
| 00:40 | <@Alek> | there were euro prices and international shipping. |
| 00:43 | <@Reiv> | Alek: I suspect the shipping was prohibitive, as is often the case. |
| 00:46 | <@gnolam> | Not just that. Customs. |
| 00:47 | <@gnolam> | Though US shipping in general is "... I thought we had it bad here, but what the fuck?". |
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| 14:05 | <@gnolam> | "i really don't want a revolution in programming. |
| 14:05 | <@gnolam> | a revolution in documentation however, that would be pretty neat" |
| 14:09 | | * AnnoDomini tries to set up SDL extension libraries under Code::Blocks and MinGW. |
| 14:10 | < AnnoDomini> | Are the 2.0 versions of stuff like sdl_image backwards compatible with 1.2? |
| 14:15 | < AnnoDomini> | Hmm. Apparently not. |
| 14:17 | < AnnoDomini> | OK. Then the problem is that either I've got to migrate to 2.0 or find a way to produce usable mingw-compliant development libraries for 1.2, because by defaulte they're either source or VC only. |
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| 14:21 | < AnnoDomini> | How do I produce this from the source code? I need .h include files and .a library files. |
| 15:02 | < AnnoDomini> | Nevermind. |
| 15:05 | < AnnoDomini> | WHOO! IT COMPILES! |
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| 17:48 | < ErikMesoy> | Fascinating. Tried to log into my netbank to pay university tuition today. Couldn't log in, got vague error message "An error has occurred. Please try again." Tried again, same x3. |
| 17:48 | < ErikMesoy> | Called bank, discovered that my online banking accounting had been suspended for inactivity. |
| 17:49 | < ErikMesoy> | They then reactivated it over the phone and sent me a new password to log in with. |
| 17:50 | < ErikMesoy> | I'm like... why? Why do you need to lock me out of online access if I haven't used it in a while? |
| 17:50 | < ErikMesoy> | I have been using my debit card, so it's not missing user, just missing feature-specific utilization. (Self-reinforcing.) |
| 18:17 | < [R]> | <ErikMesoy> I'm like... why? Why do you need to lock me out of online access if I haven't used it in a while? <-- It's them "hackers", can't hack a locked box. |
| 19:20 | <@froztbyte> | ErikMesoy: you vastly overestimate how advanced banks are when it comes to computers |
| 19:20 | <@froztbyte> | and I mean /vastly/ |
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| 20:29 | < AnnoDomini> | Is it worth to switch over to SDL2? |
| 20:30 | < simon_> | has anyone here used Haskell GADTs? |
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| 20:59 | < RichyB> | simon_, not in anger but I think I can remember what they look like. |
| 21:04 | < simon_> | RichyB, do you remember if/why they're evil? |
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| 21:06 | < RichyB> | simon_, the result of a pattern match on a GADT constructor may have type information that wasn't available before the match. |
| 21:07 | < RichyB> | They're dangerous in conjunction with GeneralisedNewtypeDeriving because you can use them to hide phantom types inside other peoples' types. |
| 21:08 | < RichyB> | Aside from that trick with GDT, plain Haskell + GADTs is perfectly safe. |
| 21:08 | < RichyB> | I've met people (Neil Mitchell, for instance) who don't like GADTs because they find encoding the same information using different features simpler. |
| 21:11 | < RichyB> | simon_, so uh yeah, sorry for the lack of good, concrete answer. |
| 21:11 | < RichyB> | I mostly heard the argument against them from ndm and didn't understand it well enough at the time to relay the salient points. |
| 21:26 | < AnnoDomini> | ARGHLE. |
| 21:27 | < RichyB> | ? |
| 21:27 | < AnnoDomini> | C:B devs, why you put copy/cut/paste two menus down?! |
| 21:27 | < AnnoDomini> | When I right click, that's what I really want! |
| 21:54 | < [R]> | L2^V + L2^C |
| 21:54 | < AnnoDomini> | No. |
| 21:55 | < AnnoDomini> | That's the specific problem I am circumventing by rclick. |
| 21:55 | < AnnoDomini> | I use three keyboard layouts interchangably. |
| 21:55 | < AnnoDomini> | They have C and V and X in different places. |
| 21:55 | < AnnoDomini> | One of them doesn't even recognize keyboard shortcuts. |
| 21:55 | | * TheWatcher eyes |
| 21:56 | <@TheWatcher> | What on earth? |
| 21:56 | < AnnoDomini> | US Dvorak, and homebrew Polish/Norwegian Dvoraks. |
| 21:57 | <@TheWatcher> | Looney~ |
| 21:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | Huzzah! |
| 21:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | No more Chromebook! |
| 21:58 | < AnnoDomini> | What's the old shortcut for copy? I've already internalized that Shift+Insert is paste. |
| 21:58 | < AnnoDomini> | And that Shift+Delete is cut. |
| 21:58 | < AnnoDomini> | But what is copy? |
| 22:03 | <&ToxicFrog> | "old shortcut" in which software/OS? |
| 22:05 | < AnnoDomini> | No idea. I think I first found these to work in edit.com, but they work on both Linux and Windows now. |
| 22:06 | < [R]> | ^Insert apparently |
| 22:08 | <@Tamber> | ^Insert, yup |
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| 22:09 | < AnnoDomini> | OK. I will attempt to start using that. |
| 22:09 | <@Tamber> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access#Description |
| 22:10 | < RichyB> | AnnoDomini, control-insert I think. |
| 22:11 | < RichyB> | Yep. |
| 22:11 | < RichyB> | I don't know where control-insert for copy, shift-insert for paste and shift-delete for cut originated, but they were there in MS-DOS' EDIT program. |
| 22:14 | <&McMartin> | IIRC they copied many commands from an old program called "WordStar", but a lot of those were horribly obscure letter-based commands |
| 22:16 | < RichyB> | Huh, Wordstar had an inferior variation of WASD movement. |
| 22:17 | < RichyB> | âE âS âX âD |
| 22:17 | < RichyB> | (with the control key held down) |
| 22:25 | <@Alek> | don't forget ijkm or ijkl. |
| 22:26 | <&McMartin> | I've never used WordStar, but I remember it being invoked all the time by the (edit.com-like) editors I used |
| 22:28 | <@froztbyte> | ijkm is a real thing? |
| 22:29 | <&McMartin> | Was, yeah |
| 22:29 | <@froztbyte> | ed kind of days? |
| 22:30 | <&McMartin> | No; stuff like early DOS games and stuff |
| 22:30 | <&McMartin> | There was a notion that the right hand should do directionality. |
| 22:31 | <@Reiv> | wut |
| 22:31 | <@Alek> | actually, that was for player 2, generally. |
| 22:31 | <@Alek> | not always, but much of the time. |
| 22:31 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin: oh |
| 22:31 | <@Alek> | then the arrow keys came into their spot. |
| 22:32 | <@froztbyte> | that's a time lost to me |
| 22:32 | <@Alek> | and the right-hand-directionality strengthened. |
| 22:32 | <@Alek> | I used to play FPS with the arrow keys. >_> |
| 22:32 | <@Alek> | Dad still does. -_- |
| 22:32 | <@Alek> | oh, for emulators and platformers it's still the accepted way to do it. |
| 22:33 | <@Alek> | aaaaaand FFVII, on the PC, used the numpad for everything. -_- |
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| 22:43 | < RichyB> | I once briefly experimented with vi's hjkl for first-person shooters. |
| 22:43 | < RichyB> | Crap results. |
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| 23:12 | <&McMartin> | I can *only* play Descent with a numpad |
| 23:12 | <&McMartin> | Though I'm admittedly not very good at it |
| 23:29 | < RichyB> | Incidentally, FreeSpace is *amazing* with a trackball instead of a mouse. |
| 23:30 | < AnnoDomini> | Hahaha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fvTxv46ano <- If you click on the empty space on the left of the video (pausing it) and type "1980", you get a minigame. |
| 23:30 | <@Azash> | https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=18556 |
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| 23:31 | <@Tamber> | :php: |
| 23:33 | < AnnoDomini> | :gonk: |
| 23:40 | < RichyB> | What the fucking shit, 2012? |
| 23:41 | < RichyB> | That went unfixed for *10* years? o_O |
| 23:42 | <@Tamber> | It's PHP. Why are you (still) surprised? |
| 23:54 | <@celticminstrel> | What did? |
| 23:55 | <@Tamber> | celticminstrel, https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=18556 |
| 23:55 | <@Tamber> | (I think you exploded before you saw it. :) |
| 23:57 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh Turkish. |
| 23:57 | <@celticminstrel> | One of the first comments claimed it was fixed. |
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