| --- Log opened Sun Dec 02 00:00:09 2012 |
| 00:33 | <~Vornicus> | Oh, duh. |
| 00:33 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:34 | <~Vornicus> | To make new game and load game both work without issue, both create a semi-serialized structure that the true game object deserializes to get the game going. |
| 00:38 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 00:39 | <&McMartin> | 07:58 <&ToxicFrog> Don't use arrays~ |
| 00:39 | <&McMartin> | No choice; this is for interop |
| 00:41 | <&McMartin> | (Specifically, for dealing with java.awt.image.BufferedImage so that I can build spritesheets with Clojure scripts, and precompute shadings in ways that proper blitters never quite get right >_<) |
| 00:41 | <~Vornicus> | So New Game and Load Game both produce basically parsed json structures and then the actual model object builds the shit around them. |
| 00:41 | <~Vornicus> | "precompute shadings"? |
| 00:42 | <&McMartin> | If I'm trying to arrange things that have alpha values, blitters perform alpha blending instead of actually just copying over the alphas, generally |
| 00:42 | <&McMartin> | Or they ignore alpha entirely |
| 00:42 | <&McMartin> | You have to block pixel copies. |
| 00:43 | <&McMartin> | It turns out Java's relatively convenient for this if you're using PNGs because it's got a handy 32-bit-color class and knows all the relevant formats. |
| 00:43 | <&McMartin> | But it's Java, which is a pain, so I wrote up some interop routines so I could use Clojure for that. |
| 00:49 | | * Vornicus realizes the pun in a certain Minecraft mod. |
| 00:55 | <~Vornicus> | The Equivalent Exchange mod allows you to use the Transmutation Tablet to convert objects into other objects based on their "EMC" value; you can also use a Klein Star to store stuff, in which case you don't need to give it specific stuff. Compare to the Kleene Star... |
| 01:07 | <~Vornicus> | Okay so. Planets have random locations (restricted to not being 8-connected; I have this written already), random names (chosen from a list in a file), random classes (done by shuffling a list of classes ie 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4); class 4 planets are homeworlds for the major factions, others are set to the neutral faction which has no real AI |
| 01:08 | <&McMartin> | Oh, your horrible pun has reminded me. |
| 01:08 | <~Vornicus> | uh oh |
| 01:08 | <&McMartin> | Also, VornMoo |
| 01:08 | <~Vornicus> | I should flee screaming shouldn't I. |
| 01:08 | <&McMartin> | Nah |
| 01:08 | <&McMartin> | But, how constrained is ship design in VornMoo? |
| 01:08 | <&McMartin> | Is "more flexibility in what you can mount" a thing to research? |
| 01:09 | <&McMartin> | Because if so, the top tier vessel - corresponding to the Metamorph or the Nubian in Stars! - should be the Voidstar. |
| 01:09 | <~Vornicus> | VornMoo was to be a faithful remake of MoO1, and as such, uh |
| 01:10 | <&McMartin> | Just mount points then. |
| 01:10 | <~Vornicus> | All ships could mount up to four different types of weapon and three different accessories. |
| 01:10 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 01:10 | <&McMartin> | Oh well. |
| 01:10 | <&McMartin> | void * puns will have to wait~ |
| 01:10 | <&McMartin> | (The Nubian was named because n00bs kept whinging about equipment restrictions) |
| 01:11 | <~Vornicus> | The thing I'm building now is not VornMoO but actually Galactic Vorntiers, from the old Mac game Galactic Frontiers. Which I still haven't gotten running to actually examine its entrails. |
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| 01:14 | <~Vornicus> | (for those of you playing the home game: in MoO, your technology improved 1. what equipment is available to mount and 2. how cheap that equipment is. Ships can also carry more stuff at higher tech levels.) |
| 01:15 | | * froztbyte does not know what Mo0 is |
| 01:15 | <&McMartin> | Master of Orion, an old strategy game by Microprose. |
| 01:15 | < froztbyte> | MoO* ? |
| 01:16 | < froztbyte> | oh |
| 01:16 | < froztbyte> | ah yes, the name is known to me, though I never played it |
| 01:16 | <~Vornicus> | Came out in 1990, same year as Civilization and X-COM |
| 01:16 | < froztbyte> | iirc Worms was the thing from Microprose that I had the most exposure to |
| 01:16 | <~Vornicus> | It was a good year. |
| 01:16 | < froztbyte> | I had a weird childhood in that sense |
| 01:16 | <&McMartin> | X-COM was also Microprose |
| 01:17 | < froztbyte> | parents didn't even want to get me a console ever, so my days of playing MK2 were when I could get away to a friend's house |
| 01:17 | | * McMartin is old, so Worms was "eh, Scorched Earth is already a thing" |
| 01:17 | < froztbyte> | had a 386 at home, and a very limited supply of things I could get with sneakernet |
| 01:19 | < froztbyte> | '91~'96: 386, '96~'98: 133MHz P1 that slowly got morphed into a 200MHz MMX, '98~'00: MMX, '00: 500MHz P3 with an SiS 6326 at the start |
| 01:19 | < froztbyte> | later upgraded to a Riva TNT |
| 01:20 | < froztbyte> | and through all this time, it was always the family computer |
| 01:20 | < froztbyte> | so I didn't get to do all that much, either |
| 01:20 | < froztbyte> | in '04 I finally got my own rig |
| 02:39 | <&McMartin> | Hrm |
| 02:39 | | * McMartin pokes at stuff |
| 02:39 | | * McMartin remembers he wrote a program to do that poking for him. |
| 02:40 | <~Vornicus> | what poking is being done? |
| 02:41 | <&McMartin> | When a certain call made it into OpenGL. |
| 02:41 | <&McMartin> | As opposed to being simulated in GLU |
| 02:41 | <&McMartin> | (Answer: The ARB_framebuffer_object extension, which was added to core in 3.0.) |
| 02:41 | <~Vornicus> | hooray, ARGLE |
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| 02:42 | <~Vornicus> | Okay vornda needs to fucking stop. |
| 02:42 | <&McMartin> | Some of this hasn't properly ARGLEd yet; specifically, the bit where extensions become core |
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| 02:47 | <&McMartin> | OK, this is a job for Python |
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| 03:14 | <~Vornicus> | Okay, next tasks: learn to render text, use that to render the name, ship count, fort count in overload situations. Convert rendering to a spritesheet. Draw more planet shapes for each size. |
| 03:15 | < thalass> | Planet shape: Round. |
| 03:15 | < thalass> | >.> |
| 03:15 | <~Vornicus> | Well. Planet sprites. |
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| 03:18 | <&McMartin> | Success |
| 03:18 | <&McMartin> | mcmartin@osmium:~/devel/argle$ ./argle Material\ Texture.cpp |
| 03:18 | <&McMartin> | Minimum required version of OpenGL: 2.0 |
| 03:18 | <&McMartin> | Required extensions: GL_ARB_sampler_objects, GL_ARB_uniform_buffer_object, GL_NVX_conditional_render |
| 03:18 | <&McMartin> | Some extensions part of OpenGL by version: 3.3 |
| 03:18 | <&McMartin> | Remaining extensions: GL_NVX_conditional_render |
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| 03:22 | <~Vornicus> | \o/ |
| 03:23 | <~Vornicus> | what's conditional render do? |
| 03:23 | <&McMartin> | I have no idea. I just picked a token I knew was never imported into core. |
| 03:24 | <&McMartin> | It's nVidia specific and marked experimental; I must assume it is from the era when Nothing Fucking Worked. |
| 03:24 | <&McMartin> | However, a function with a very similar name became part of OpenGL 3.0, so. |
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| 03:41 | < Tarinaky> | McMartin: Worms 2 was awesome though. |
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| 03:55 | <&McMartin> | Hm, OK, one more feature before ARGLE can be 1.1 |
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| 13:35 | <&McMartin> | Elch |
| 13:35 | <&McMartin> | OK, one thing that unmistakably sucks about Game Maker is that there's no good way to export room formats. |
| 13:35 | | * McMartin extracts the geometry of his test level with a text editor and a lot of tile counting. |
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| 15:46 | | * Tamber mentally page faults |
| 15:47 | <@Tamber> | What's the name of the <condition> ? <a> : <b> operator thingy in C/Perl/et al? |
| 15:48 | < gnolam> | It's usually referred to as either simply the "conditional operator" or the "ternary operator". |
| 15:48 | <@Tamber> | Aha, ternary! Thank-you. |
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| 23:19 | < iospace> | http://threepanelsoul.com/2012/11/19/on-legacy-code/ |
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| 23:46 | <&McMartin> | Whoops |
| 23:46 | <&McMartin> | Well, time to learn more about git. |
| 23:46 | < gnolam> | And I still say that the difference is mostly in the skill level of whoever wrote the legacy code. |
| 23:50 | | * simon` is completing his BSc in CS somewhat behind schedule. I decided to speed up a little, and now it seems I have three months next year I have to fill out with something else. |
| 23:52 | <&Derakon> | Yeah, that strip isn't really accurate IMO. |
| 23:53 | <&Derakon> | Even a master maintaining legacy code isn't really doing what I'd call craftsmanship. |
| 23:54 | <&McMartin> | Stewardship. |
| 23:55 | <&McMartin> | Now, *extending* legacy code... |
| --- Log closed Mon Dec 03 00:00:24 2012 |