| --- Log opened Sat Dec 01 00:00:54 2012 |
| 00:00 | < celticminstrel> | ...although, quitting and relaunching doesn't seem to take 10-15 minutes as it did with Chrome, so maybe it's not such a big deal to be able to accidentally quit. |
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| 01:00 | < Thrae> | celticminstrel: It doesn't do so if you have multiple open tabs? |
| 01:00 | < Thrae> | celticminstrel: Or is this a platform-specific thing? |
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| 01:12 | < celticminstrel> | It asks to confirm if I click the close button, but not if I press Cmd-Q. |
| 01:12 | < celticminstrel> | I read somewhere that this is because I have automatic session restore on. |
| 01:12 | < celticminstrel> | But I want both... |
| 01:17 | < celticminstrel> | It's not too important though, since it seems to take only a minute or two to restart Firefox. |
| 01:19 | < Thrae> | celticminstrel: Oh yeah! I noticed that on Windows too. |
| 01:19 | < celticminstrel> | (Basically it confirms on window close but not on application exit.) |
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| 01:23 | < Thrae> | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250983 <-- well *they* think it's fixed |
| 01:23 | < Thrae> | Maybe the bug was reintroduced. |
| 01:30 | < celticminstrel> | Well, Ctrl-Shift-W (or rather, Cmd-Shift-W) does show the confirmation. |
| 01:31 | < celticminstrel> | Cmd-Q, however, does not. |
| 01:41 | < Thrae> | I'm not very knowledgeable about OS X programming...could CMD-Q send a kill equivilent to the program? |
| 01:42 | < Thrae> | I know ALT+F4 is actually a Window Close (WM_CLOSE) message in Windows programming. |
| 01:44 | < Thrae> | Aha -- CMD+Q is a standard Mozilla shortcut -- http://www-archive.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/moz_shortcuts.html |
| 01:45 | < Thrae> | And somehow, I've disabled it on my Windows version of Firefox (CTRL+Q). |
| 01:47 | < Thrae> | Nevermind -- https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts-perform-firefox-tasks-qu ickly#os=mac&browser=fx14 |
| 01:47 | < celticminstrel> | Huh? |
| 01:47 | < Thrae> | Given that it's not listed there, I'm guessing OS X handles cmd+Q, unlike Windows. |
| 01:48 | < celticminstrel> | Oh. |
| 01:48 | < celticminstrel> | I don't think it does. |
| 01:48 | < celticminstrel> | It's a standard shortcut, but applications can change it. |
| 01:49 | < Thrae> | Yeah, but Windows doesn't have an equivalent -- ALT+F4 is "Close Window" and must be handled by the application. So CMD+Q is some other event at the very least. |
| 01:50 | < celticminstrel> | Pretty sure it's only standard because all (most) applications use it, not because the OS handles it. |
| 01:51 | < Thrae> | Yeah, I see it's the "Quit" event. |
| 01:54 | < Thrae> | Apple defines it as "Quit the frontmost application" -- https://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343 -- but I'm still guessing it's OS X sending a termination signal |
| 01:56 | < Thrae> | celticminstrel: Try osascript -e 'quit app "firefox.app"' |
| 01:57 | < celticminstrel> | Why? |
| 01:57 | < Thrae> | To see if it has the same behavior? |
| 01:58 | < celticminstrel> | Yup. |
| 02:03 | < Thrae> | Aha, finally here's something |
| 02:03 | < Thrae> | browser.warnOnQuit , browser.showQuitWarning , browser.warnOnRestart |
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| 02:04 | < Thrae> | celticminstrel: I have all of those on my Firefox, but only warnOnQuit is true. |
| 02:05 | < celticminstrel> | I have that true as well. |
| 02:05 | < Thrae> | Yeah, but the other two? |
| 02:05 | < celticminstrel> | showQuitWarning is false. I think I tried changing it to true with no effect. |
| 02:06 | < Thrae> | Yeah I'm not getting a confirmation either from File->Exit. |
| 02:08 | < celticminstrel> | Which is basically what Cmd-Q is. |
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| 02:11 | < Thrae> | You tried Firefox's Safe Mode, right? |
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| 02:22 | < Thrae> | So, anyone know anything about the hardware and kernel mechanics of paging? |
| 02:23 | < iospace> | Thrae: i should but i don't :< |
| 02:25 | < celticminstrel> | Why would I try Safe Mode... |
| 02:28 | < Thrae> | celticminstrel: To see if there's any interference from addons or extensions. |
| 02:29 | < celticminstrel> | Oh. |
| 02:30 | < Thrae> | For instance, from my googling, it seems Tab Mix Plus can add a "Confirm on Exit". |
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| 07:11 | < froztbyte> | Thrae: :D |
| 07:11 | < froztbyte> | err, TheWatcher[zZzZ]* |
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| 12:46 | < AnnoDomini> | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/12/the-organism-will-do-what-it-damn-well- pleases.html |
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| 13:58 | | * McMartin ports some of his old one-shot Java code into Clojure to make it a handy REPLable scripting language |
| 13:58 | <&McMartin> | I bet I could do this with ImageMagick but it feels like it would actually be more work to do that |
| 13:59 | < AnnoDomini> | McMartin: Are the star systems that aren't germane to the plot randomly generated in UQM? |
| 13:59 | <&McMartin> | Even many of the ones that are! |
| 13:59 | <&McMartin> | It uses the hyperspace coords as the seed, IIRC. |
| 14:00 | <&McMartin> | All stars are placed 'by hand' though |
| 14:00 | < AnnoDomini> | Oh, so they're going to be generated the same way every time, provided the coords don't change? |
| 14:01 | <&McMartin> | yeah |
| 14:02 | < AnnoDomini> | Funky. But I guess easier to code than manual generation. |
| 14:02 | < ErikMesoy> | Which coords? |
| 14:02 | < AnnoDomini> | Hyperspace coordinates. |
| 14:10 | < ErikMesoy> | Hyperspace coordinates of what? |
| 14:10 | <&McMartin> | the star system |
| 14:11 | < AnnoDomini> | Hmmm. The save games store the precise state of the star systems, right? |
| 14:11 | <&McMartin> | Almost |
| 14:12 | <&McMartin> | A couple of glitches, but more or less. |
| 14:12 | < AnnoDomini> | Then it could be done that the non-critical systems be randomly generated with seeds determined at game start. |
| 14:13 | <&McMartin> | I think they're linked, but Iiddn't mess with that code. Somwone else did. |
| 14:25 | <&McMartin> | Woo, success! |
| 14:26 | <&McMartin> | (-> (load-image "foo.png") (color-mult! 1.0 1.0 1.0 0.3) (blit 16 16 "bar.png") (save-image "png" "baz.png")) |
| 14:27 | < Syka> | whoooooo my sql works |
| 14:27 | < Syka> | i only used uh |
| 14:27 | < Syka> | ...9 views! |
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| 14:54 | <&McMartin> | Ugh |
| 14:55 | <&McMartin> | Array interop in Clojure is so awful =( |
| 14:55 | < iospace> | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mczqj2wsQd1rurhoao1_1280.jpg |
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| 16:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | Don't use arrays~ |
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| 21:11 | | * Derakon snickers as it comes out that the entire Angband dev team suffers from imposter syndrome. |
| 21:12 | < AnnoDomini> | What? |
| 21:12 | <&Derakon> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imposter_syndrome |
| 21:12 | <&Derakon> | Guess I misspelled it. Impostor. |
| 21:13 | < AnnoDomini> | I sense a story here. |
| 21:13 | <&Derakon> | Not really. |
| 21:14 | <&Derakon> | Just that the people who are most deeply-involved are all hobbyist coders, and the ones who are professionals (and thus can reasonably claim to know what they're doing) aren't deeply-involved. |
| 21:14 | < AnnoDomini> | I see. |
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