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| 00:19 | <&McMartin> | It looks like even people who have gotten it to work only got like 30% savings anyway |
| 00:26 | < sshine> | McMartin, why do you use Clojure... because of JVM? |
| 00:40 | <&McMartin> | More "because of Light Table", but the intermediate goal here was "because of Dalvik" |
| 00:40 | <&McMartin> | Clojure is a reasonably nice language and Java-based applications are easy to deploy, so it's a nice tool to have handy. However, it doesn't look like it's feasible to directly target Android with it yet. |
| 00:41 | <&McMartin> | If you're really good you can make it happen, but the amount of work required there seems to exceed just doing the projects I have in mind in Java in the first place. |
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| 10:18 | | * TheWatcher types 'pish()' instead of 'push()', briefly considers wrapping shift() as sub tosh { return shift; } |
| 10:34 | <&McMartin> | <3 |
| 10:44 | <@TheWatcher> | Some day I should write the Frightfully, Indubitably English Notation Development System language. Maybe also an IDE with a lot of supporting tools so it could be called the Computer Aided Development System. |
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| 12:20 | < sshine> | McMartin, it would be neat to code Android apps in Clojure. |
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| 12:38 | <@Tamber> | TheWatcher, instead of ending lines with a semicolon, it ends them with ", please?" or ", if you would be so kind."? |
| 12:40 | < sshine> | Tamber, heh. what language is that? |
| 12:41 | <@Tamber> | 10:44:21 <@TheWatcher> Some day I should write the Frightfully, Indubitably English Notation Development System language. Maybe also an IDE with a lot of supporting tools so it could be called the Computer Aided Development System. |
| 12:42 | <@TheWatcher> | That sort of idea, aye. ;) |
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| 15:52 | | * ToxicFrog finds a tutorial on Clojure on Android using ProGuard, snrks |
| 15:52 | < ToxicFrog> | "With these two lines in place, the sample application shrinks from an install size of 4.04MB to only 460KB. Also, instead of taking 4.7 seconds to load, it crashes almost instantaneously. Why? It's because most of Clojure has been stripped out." |
| 16:03 | < froztbyte> | haha |
| 16:03 | < froztbyte> | reminds of a "don't build things with default flags" post I read about pascal when I was in highschool |
| 16:09 | | * Vornicus always called the queue ops push & pull. |
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| 21:26 | <&McMartin> | ToxicFrog: Yes, that was the one I was working with. |
| 21:26 | <&McMartin> | However, even with that guide I still couldn't make it work |
| 21:27 | < ToxicFrog> | Aah |
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| 22:44 | | * TheWatcher eyes this code that is doing reinterpret_cast all over the place for no sane reason |
| 22:45 | <&McMartin> | reinterpret_cast is *never* sane. |
| 22:49 | <@TheWatcher> | This is true. |
| 22:49 | < sshine> | It is known. |
| 23:05 | <~Vornicus> | wtf is reinterpret_cast? |
| 23:08 | <@TheWatcher> | It allows you to convert one given pointer type to any other, or cast pointers to or from integers, with no checks. |
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| 23:13 | <~Vornicus> | oh I see. |
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| 23:19 | <&McMartin> | Also, none of the pointer-rewriting conversions that static_cast does |
| 23:19 | <&McMartin> | You are not guaranteed, in C++, that casting a pointer to one of its supertypes, and then to an integer, will yield the same integer as just casting yourself to integer. |
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| 23:59 | < Ariii> | Hi! |
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