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| 01:31 | <~Vornicus> | I don't think this layout really works for my data here. |
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| 02:04 | <~Vornicus> | I'd prefer doing this as whole records, except that afaict I need some of the records to have custom code, and |
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| 03:36 | <~Vornicus> | Idunno, some of this is not stuff I have any sense of how to design. |
| 03:58 | <&Derakon> | There, I now have Pythonized data files holding item flavors, common colors, and how flavors and colors meet up. |
| 03:58 | <&Derakon> | Now I need to figure out how to combine those with the actual items... |
| 04:00 | <~Vornicus> | Consider for instance 4e D&D races. Most of the time, a race gives certain static abilities - dwarves for instance get +2 to constitution and wisdom, and all other races get +2 to two ability scores as well. |
| 04:00 | <~Vornicus> | ...buuuuuut |
| 04:03 | <~Vornicus> | then there's humans. When a character is /human/, you instead get /one/ +2 bonus to ability score... of your choice. |
| 04:04 | <&Derakon> | Encode the "bonus to your choice" as a special feature; you'll have plenty of those to wrestle with anyway. Just make humans +0 across the board. |
| 04:04 | <~Vornicus> | RIght now I have it set up so that when the race is human, there's a special function call for that. |
| 04:05 | <~Vornicus> | But the thing is, there's lots of these little changes. |
| 04:06 | <~Vornicus> | When you pick a dragonborn, you get two selections that you need to make: what element your breath weapon is, and what ability it gets its attack power from. |
| 04:06 | <&Derakon> | What exactly are you trying to do here? |
| 04:07 | <&Derakon> | If it's "Codify D&D" or even just "codify D&D chargen", you'll have a lot of niggling little details. |
| 04:07 | <~Vornicus> | really I'm trying to make a 4e character sheet generator thingy. |
| 04:07 | <~Vornicus> | RIght, and I'm trying to make it so these niggling little details are organized somewhat sanely. |
| 04:08 | <&Derakon> | What I would probably do is have a set of flags that map to functions which prompt the user to make choices. |
| 04:08 | <&Derakon> | And those functions would then either modify the basic attributes of the character (that all characters have, like ability scores) or append data onto a miscellaneous section (like for breath weapons). |
| 04:09 | <~Vornicus> | but figuring out what "sanely" is here is giving me heartburn. |
| 04:09 | <&Derakon> | So your configuration for Dragonborn would look something like "ability modifiers: +0, +2, +0, -2, -2, +2; effective character level: +2; flags: BREATHWEAPON" |
| 04:10 | <&Derakon> | And somewhere BREATHWEAPON maps to a function that says "Hey user, what element should I use, and which score does it operate off of?" And then it takes that information and sticks it into a general-purpose textbox. |
| 04:13 | <~Vornicus> | Hm |
| 04:14 | <~Vornicus> | All right, so this means that each new race or class or in some cases feat, where i need to make some customization, needs to patch the core. Which I guess isn't too horribly bad, all in all. |
| 04:15 | <&Derakon> | I don't really see how you can do it otherwise. |
| 04:15 | <~Vornicus> | Technically I guess you could make each race or class a module, and have it register its funny bits or something... |
| 04:17 | <&Derakon> | Erk... |
| 04:17 | | * Derakon makes a CreatureFactory class, comments it as "A class that creatures creates with specific attributes." |
| 04:17 | <~Vornicus> | But building a registry for such things is guaranteed to be a shrieking horror. |
| 04:17 | <&Derakon> | Whoops. |
| 04:30 | | * Derakon ponders http://pastebin.com/FUSyN9D9 |
| 04:31 | <&Derakon> | I want to convert that into a Filthy Street Urchin Factory. |
| 04:31 | <&Derakon> | (I.e. a CreatureFactory that, when its makeCreature() function is called, creates a Filthy Street Urchin with all appropriate parameters). |
| 04:31 | <~Vornicus> | Okay, what the hell does it all mean. |
| 04:32 | <&Derakon> | First line is index and name. Second is the template to apply. Third is color. |
| 04:32 | <&Derakon> | Fourth is speed, AC, hitpoints, and other similar stats. Fourth is, IIRC, allocation information. |
| 04:32 | <&Derakon> | B: lines are for melee blows; this guy begs and tries to steal gold with a touch attack. |
| 04:32 | <&Derakon> | F: lines are miscellaneous flags. |
| 04:32 | <&Derakon> | D: lines are description. |
| 04:33 | <&Derakon> | The main thing is, is there a better way to parse these than a bunch of if/else statements twigging on the first character in the line? |
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| 04:40 | <~Vornicus> | Sure. |
| 04:41 | <~Vornicus> | line_data = line.split(":"); line_parsers[line_data[0]](line_data[1:]) |
| 04:42 | <~Vornicus> | line_parsers is a dictionary of functio0ns. |
| 04:42 | <&Derakon> | Hm, yeah, that works. |
| 04:47 | <~Vornicus> | Note that you'll have to manually replace the colons if you decide to ever put any in the description lines. |
| 04:47 | <&Derakon> | Yeah, but that's not too hard. |
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| 06:16 | | * Derakon ponders, tries to decide if he should conflate the CreatureFactory and CreatureTemplate classes. |
| 06:17 | <&Derakon> | The reason being that a template record is almost identical to a creature record; they just happen to miss different bits and the "description" line for templates means something different than it does for creatures. |
| 06:17 | <&Derakon> | So if I conflate them, then I can share parsing logic...but it feels a bit weird. |
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| 07:14 | <&jerith> | Derakon[AFK]: Factor out the parser and use it in both? |
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| 11:39 | | * TheWatcher make major API change, has to run around fixing shit all over >.< |
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| 12:05 | <@TheWatcher> | `use Logger qw(.... end_log); ... blabla... end_log(); ` is triggering an Undefined subroutine &main::end_log O.o |
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| 13:00 | < Rhamphoryncus> | What's that strange sound I heard just as I took my headphones off? Did I leave openttd unpaused while watching dog whisperer? Oh wait, it's a bird outside. :P |
| 13:42 | < Tarinaky> | Out... side? |
| 13:49 | <&jerith> | Tarinaky: The big room with the poor climate control. |
| 13:53 | <@AnnoDomini> | Yo, guys, is it possible to install MS Windows 3.x on a commercial modern box? |
| 13:54 | < Stalker> | No, it is no x64 compatible. |
| 13:54 | < Stalker> | not * |
| 13:54 | < Stalker> | May also experiences BIOS issues. |
| 13:55 | <@AnnoDomini> | Are there truly no modern 32-bit boxes available anymore? |
| 13:55 | < Stalker> | Not in my retailers. |
| 14:02 | <&jerith> | Doesn't most hardware support running in 32-bit mode? |
| 14:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes, it does. |
| 14:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | The problem you are more likely to run into is that there are no DOS/3.x drivers for, well, anything current. |
| 14:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Just install it in dosbox. |
| 14:26 | < Stalker> | Hmm. |
| 14:27 | <@TheWatcher> | ... Why do you want to run Win 3.x anyway? |
| 14:27 | <@TheWatcher> | I have some forks here, I could ship them to you and you could repeatedly stab yourself in the legs with them, it'd be less painful ¬¬ |
| 14:28 | <@AnnoDomini> | This is an offshoot of an argument in DnD. |
| 14:29 | <@AnnoDomini> | Stalker used installing Win3 on modern machines as an analogy of installing monarchies on modern nation states. |
| 14:33 | <@AnnoDomini> | So I wanted to check with you guys, since you tend to keep current. |
| 14:38 | <~Vornicus> | 3.x is a 16 bit OS |
| 14:38 | <~Vornicus> | YOu're going to have Issues. |
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| 15:19 | < RichyB> | amd64 CPUs have a backwards-compatibility mode for the 386. |
| 15:19 | < RichyB> | The 386 has a backwards-compatibility mode for the 286. |
| 15:20 | < RichyB> | AIUI modern OSes, when you boot them from a BIOS rather than UEFI, bootstrap themselves sequentially through all of those compatibility layers in order to get into amd64 mode. |
| 15:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, the issue is not "will the instruction set be understood", it's "will 3.x be able to communicate with any of your peripherals" and the answer is "not a chance" |
| 15:22 | <@AnnoDomini> | What, not even the monitor? |
| 15:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | Depends on how much of a priority your video card/BIOS manufacturer put on legacy VGA support. |
| 15:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Keyboard will probably work (if the BIOS has "legacy USB support"), mouse maybe, video maybe, sound not a chance, other USB devices no |
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| 15:57 | < Noah> | I think I'm going to make a python script to rename these fucking GBA roms |
| 15:57 | < Noah> | I don't mind the release numbers, but I think I want them at the end, and I'd like to convert the spaces to underscores, and sort them by language |
| 15:58 | < Stalker> | Why would you want the spaces to be underscores? |
| 15:58 | < Noah> | Because linux hates spaces |
| 16:00 | < Stalker> | Oh, ok. |
| 16:03 | < Noah> | it's easy enough, I split the file name on a period in reverse once, to get the filetype, then split the file on spaces, move the number and dash to the end in reverse, then join the name on an underscore, then add the filetype back on |
| 16:04 | < Noah> | So 0101 - Some fucking game (E) [!].zip should become Some_fucking_game_(E)_[!]_-_0101.zip |
| 16:06 | < Noah> | Then I'll have to sort through the files, looking for (U), (E), (EU), (UE) and move them into a "language I fucking speak" directory, and shovel the rest into "languages everyone else speaks" directory |
| 16:07 | < Tarinaky> | Since when does Linux hate spaces? |
| 16:07 | < Tarinaky> | Linux\ gets\ along\ fine\ with\ spaces. |
| 16:07 | < Noah> | ggggrrr! |
| 16:08 | < Noah> | Some\ fucking\ game\ \(E\)\ \[!\]\ -\ 0101.stfu |
| 16:10 | < Noah> | I may even change the brackets |
| 16:11 | < Tarinaky> | You need to escape the bang. |
| 16:11 | < Noah> | Uhg, it hates the bang symbol too |
| 16:11 | < Noah> | Yea, just noticed |
| 16:11 | < Tarinaky> | Yes |
| 16:11 | < Noah> | Gotta live wit that |
| 16:11 | < Noah> | Meh, guess I'll just leave the spaces then |
| 16:12 | < Noah> | Or maybe just reduce the filenames to the actual name, and build a list with the original file name |
| 16:12 | < Tarinaky> | emulator poke<tab>_Bl<tab><return> >.> |
| 16:12 | < Tarinaky> | Or would that be too easy? >.> <.< >.> |
| 16:12 | < Noah> | too easy |
| 16:22 | < Tarinaky> | Reasons I hate first year CS: |
| 16:22 | < Tarinaky> | Hey guys, |
| 16:22 | < Tarinaky> | I have been trying to implement the 'updateItemQuantity(Item item, int Quantity)' method. The problem I have encountered is that the first paramenter being passed into the method is of type Item but it is the OrderItem that contains that item and the quantity to be updated that is needs to be accessed. I cannot find a way to access the specific OrderItem to be updated with the new quantity. I tried to cast the Item passed into an OrderItem but of c |
| 16:22 | | * Tarinaky cringes a little >.< |
| 16:22 | <~Vornicus> | but of c |
| 16:23 | < Tarinaky> | I suggested he should use a hashmap. |
| 16:23 | < Tarinaky> | He then asked what a hashmap was q.q |
| 16:24 | < Noah> | What's a hashmap? |
| 16:24 | < Noah> | Sounds yummy |
| 16:24 | < Noah> | Is it like they take hashbrowns, and make a country shape from them, and if you guess it right, your hashbrowns are free? |
| 16:25 | | * Tarinaky blinks. |
| 16:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | ... |
| 16:34 | | * Tarinaky shifty eyes >.> |
| 16:34 | < Tarinaky> | Yeah, okay. I'm a bad person. |
| 16:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | I was ...ing at Noah, actually |
| 16:37 | < Noah> | Man I'm hungry, anyone wanna go get some hashmaps, I'm pretty good a geography |
| 16:39 | < Tarinaky> | I thought trolls ate bloggers? |
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| 20:44 | < Noah> | http://www.maa.org/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf |
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| 20:52 | < Noah> | What's a good free cad program? |
| 20:53 | < Eri> | MSPaint |
| 20:53 | < Noah> | Read good as not impossible to us |
| 20:53 | < Noah> | Eri: On linux |
| 20:53 | < Eri> | Hmmmmm |
| 20:53 | <~Vornicus> | I like sketchup but idunno if it's available for linux. |
| 20:53 | < Eri> | Well, if it's for electrical, I'd say gEDA, but it actually sucks ass |
| 20:53 | < Noah> | For small scale projects |
| 20:54 | < Noah> | I want to design a wooden frame for a cage 30 in by ~12.5 in |
| 20:54 | < Noah> | Of yet to be determined height |
| 20:55 | < Eri> | FreeCAD! It says free in the name, it must be good |
| 20:56 | < Eri> | I wouldn't advise you to take my advice. I have a very cynical perspective on anything free and open source |
| 20:56 | < Eri> | It all sucks |
| 20:56 | < Eri> | Every bit of it |
| 20:56 | < Noah> | All of it? |
| 20:57 | < Eri> | Yes. |
| 20:57 | < Noah> | So, nethack sucks? |
| 20:57 | < Eri> | Yup. It's unclear to the entry user |
| 20:57 | <@rms> | I assume you use IE then? |
| 20:57 | < Number3> | Nethack is awesome. |
| 20:57 | < Eri> | Hey, whoa, I didn't say I don't use open source software |
| 20:57 | <@rms> | Because every other browser is at least partially FOSS |
| 20:57 | < Noah> | Uhg, I can't kickban Eri, why aren't I op! |
| 20:57 | < Eri> | Just that it all sucks |
| 20:58 | < Noah> | u sux lol |
| 20:58 | <@rms> | Well clearly you wouldn't use shitty software unless you are a masochist |
| 20:58 | < Eri> | Or just that everything else sucks more |
| 20:58 | < Eri> | It's the classic political system problem. Democracy sucks, just not as much as everything else. |
| 20:59 | < Eri> | Open source sucks, just not as much as everything else |
| 20:59 | < Eri> | Mmm.... with the exception of windows media player |
| 20:59 | < Eri> | I'm rather fond of WMP HT |
| 20:59 | < Eri> | I guess that's open source, built on what was once proprietary code |
| 20:59 | < RichyB> | Noah, check the FreeBSD Ports collection. |
| 21:00 | <@rms> | WMP is OS now? |
| 21:00 | < RichyB> | Even if you don't use FreeBSD at all, it's a pretty good catalogue of software worth using. |
| 21:00 | < Eri> | Windows media player classic, sorry |
| 21:00 | < RichyB> | Because every piece of software in there has at least one user who cares enough for it to actively maintain it on a slightly-niche OS. :) |
| 21:00 | < Noah> | RichyB: Sure, I'll look into it |
| 21:00 | <@rms> | It's just MPC last I checked |
| 21:00 | < Eri> | Is it? I haven't used it since I moved onto Linux |
| 21:01 | < Eri> | Ah, that reminds me. What's a good video player on Linux? |
| 21:01 | < RichyB> | Noah, you can pretty much just read off the lists at freshports.org |
| 21:01 | < RichyB> | Eri, mplayer, then vlc, then stab yourself in the genitals with an icepick. |
| 21:01 | < Eri> | Hmm. mplayer is what I use, vlc is what I hate |
| 21:02 | < Eri> | ... I wanted to have kids someday |
| 21:02 | | * Eri gets the icepick |
| 21:02 | < RichyB> | You could stab someone else. |
| 21:02 | < RichyB> | Some kind of patsy. |
| 21:04 | < Eri> | I have a room-mate named Patsy |
| 21:04 | < Eri> | Hmm..... |
| 21:05 | < Noah> | I always have issues getting vsync working in Linux for certain things |
| 21:05 | < Noah> | And ever cool desktop toy wants me to enable compositing, and I ain't gonna |
| 21:08 | < RichyB> | You're nuts. |
| 21:08 | < RichyB> | Wobbly windows are the shti. |
| 21:08 | < RichyB> | ...the dog's bollocks. |
| 21:08 | < Noah> | The tanuki's cahunas? |
| 21:09 | < RichyB> | Them too. |
| 21:09 | < Noah> | And that's with Compiz anyway |
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| 21:10 | < RichyB> | I still really like Compiz. |
| 21:11 | < Noah> | Oh, I appreciate desktop effects sure |
| 21:11 | < Noah> | But they fuck up my emulators |
| 21:11 | < Noah> | And I can't have that |
| 21:11 | < RichyB> | Oh, they do? Oh well. |
| 21:12 | <&McMartin> | I now have enough texture RAM that I'd rather keep my windows in them. |
| 21:12 | <&McMartin> | But I don't need a wibbly-wobbly ball of windows stuff |
| 21:12 | < Noah> | Hehe |
| 21:13 | <&McMartin> | Also, it is pretty boss to have thumbnails that reflect window contents |
| 21:17 | < Noah> | Yea, and zooming under compiz is pretty amazing |
| 21:26 | < RichyB> | There are a couple of things which are *really* neat |
| 21:27 | < RichyB> | like the compiz plugin that runs a fragment shader to simulate colour-blindness :) |
| 21:34 | <~Vornicus> | What I've seen of compiz etc has always been a little too wobbly |
| 21:34 | <~Vornicus> | or rather a lot too wobbly. |
| 21:35 | <&McMartin> | More interested in dumb visual effects than usability or basic window management functionality |
| 21:41 | < Noah> | Yea, I'd rather have usability. I like how Metacity handles windows... I wonder if I can get Gnome 2 working |
| 21:41 | <&McMartin> | Mutter has apparently been getting better too |
| 21:42 | < Namegduf> | Compiz is a smallish core with a lot of modules for altering WM behaviour and rendering. |
| 21:42 | < Namegduf> | The default configurations I've seen have always been poor. |
| 21:42 | < Noah> | Yea, I like Mutter okay, it has the same shift-dragging effect on windows that Metacity has |
| 21:42 | < Namegduf> | But you can pick pretty much whatever effects and window switching mechanisms you like. |
| 21:42 | < Noah> | Yes, Compiz defaults are bad bad bad |
| 21:43 | < Namegduf> | And being accelerated it was always snappy on good hardware compared to non-accelerated WMs. |
| 21:43 | < Noah> | They should give you a blank slate and have a tutorial or a video showing the different plugins |
| 21:43 | < Namegduf> | Alternatively: Not wibbly default setup. |
| 21:43 | < Noah> | Infact, I watched videos when I first went to use compiz, and I knew what I wanted it to do before I ever installed it |
| 21:43 | < Noah> | Step one, disable wobbly windows |
| 21:43 | < RichyB> | Step two, enable wobbly windows. |
| 21:44 | < RichyB> | What were you THINKING? |
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| 21:44 | < RichyB> | Whoops wrong key. |
| 21:44 | < Noah> | Step 3, toss RichyB out of the window |
| 21:44 | < RichyB> | Wobbling is THE BEST. |
| 21:44 | <&McMartin> | Step 4, disable CUBE_. |
| 21:44 | < RichyB> | What I really need in Compiz is some kind of wobbly-cube. |
| 21:44 | < Noah> | The cube was okay, but I switched it to inside instead of outside |
| 21:44 | < RichyB> | That would be the best. |
| 21:45 | < Namegduf> | I went for cylinder. |
| 21:45 | < Namegduf> | It suited me. |
| 21:46 | < Noah> | I tried that, but it felt odd too me |
| 21:46 | < Noah> | that's how I have my phone however, hehe |
| 21:46 | < Namegduf> | As desktop switching mechanisms go surfaces of an object is intuitive enough. |
| 21:46 | < Namegduf> | I'm good with just numbered desktops now, though. |
| 21:46 | <&McMartin> | "inside cube" - skybox - is basically rapid-scroll, which is fine |
| 21:47 | <&McMartin> | Gives your eyes something to track instead of having to recontextualize the windows. |
| 21:47 | <&McMartin> | More important if you're using that advanced "desktop" technology instead of tablety full screen apps. |
| 21:47 | < Noah> | heh |
| 21:47 | < Namegduf> | http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=Compiz+window+popup&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1274&bi h=931&tbm=isch&tbnid=6n84b18lNV-5aM:&imgrefurl=http://my.opera.com/ubuntunerd1/b log/how-to-install-compiz-fusion-in-ubuntu-hardy&docid=zAl8pAz5ESascM&imgurl=htt p://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r183/welcomejsp/Screenshot-2-2.png&w=1280&h=1024 &ei=bT-HT93HM8Pf8QPr4OTVBw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=268&sig=100852606152488699784&page =1&tbnh=164&tbnw=183&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:42 |
| 21:47 | < Namegduf> | Er, wow |
| 21:47 | < Namegduf> | Better link: http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r183/welcomejsp/Screenshot-2-2.png |
| 21:48 | < Namegduf> | I used to use that to peek *behind* windows. |
| 21:48 | < Namegduf> | The transparent window not helping at all in that screenshot. |
| 21:48 | < Namegduf> | I didn't have any of those. |
| 21:49 | < Namegduf> | I also had obaque titlebars. |
| 21:55 | < RichyB> | Mental note to write a greasemonkey script to make Google searches no longer return insane redirection URLs. |
| 21:56 | <&McMartin> | OMG GIBS. |
| 21:56 | < RichyB> | Those things irritate me when I accidentally copy-paste them into somewhere where I would really have preferred an aesthetically-pleasing URL. |
| 21:57 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 21:58 | < Noah> | I just have a button for goo.gl |
| 22:00 | < Noah> | http://goo.gl/sYz2S for example |
| 22:00 | < Noah> | instead of...that...thing you posted earlier |
| 22:24 | < gnolam> | That's not any better. Now it's /completely/ opaque what it is. |
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| 22:25 | < gnolam> | I simply assume that any shortened link is Goatse. |
| 22:25 | | * Derakon eyes his shell, has accidentally created 400 files whose name start with "-out=". |
| 22:26 | <&Derakon> | So far the only solution I've thought of that I think would actually work is to move everything else out of the directory they're in, nuke the directory, and then recreate it. |
| 22:26 | <&Derakon> | Escaping the - doesn't seem to work so far... |
| 22:26 | < Noah> | gnolam: Because you're paranoid |
| 22:26 | <&Derakon> | Nor does putting it in quotation marks. |
| 22:27 | < Namegduf> | Derakon: "man rm" |
| 22:27 | < Namegduf> | "To remove a file whose name starts with a `-', for example `-foo', use one of these commands:" |
| 22:27 | < Namegduf> | "rm -- -foo" |
| 22:27 | <&Derakon> | Well, I'd rather not delete them if I don't have to. |
| 22:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | Er |
| 22:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | <Derakon> So far the only solution I've thought of that I think would actually work is to move everything else out of the directory they're in, nuke the directory, and then recreate it. |
| 22:28 | <&Derakon> | Though apparently the same principle applies to mv as to rm. |
| 22:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | But that would delete them |
| 22:28 | <&Derakon> | TF: which is why I didn't do it. |
| 22:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | So what do you actually want to do with them? |
| 22:28 | < gnolam> | Noah: or because there's no reason to use a service like that unless you're trying to hide something from whomever's going to click on it. |
| 22:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | Rename them? |
| 22:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | Archive them? |
| 22:28 | <&Derakon> | Rename them to not have -out= at the beginning of their names. |
| 22:28 | < Namegduf> | And touch, it seems. |
| 22:28 | < Namegduf> | I didn't know that previously. |
| 22:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | Depending on which version of 'rename' you have... |
| 22:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | rename s/-out=// -out=* |
| 22:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | rename -- '-out=' '' -out=* |
| 22:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | One of those should work |
| 22:29 | < Noah> | gnolam: Yea, we've discussed this before. Just don't go clicking on any short-link you find, that's silly, but I think if Namegduf gave us a short-link, there's more than a 50% chance that I would click it |
| 22:30 | < RichyB> | If you have filenames starting with dashes, the other easy thing to do is refer to them as ./-out=* |
| 22:30 | <&Derakon> | TF: the first gets very confused; the second says there's a syntax error. |
| 22:30 | <&Derakon> | Ehh, screw't. Nuke & pave. |
| 22:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | "very confused" how? |
| 22:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Alternately, do this: |
| 22:31 | < Noah> | Eye of screwt? |
| 22:31 | <&Derakon> | TF: it seems to treat every character from the beginning of "out" up to the next '-' in the filename as an option. |
| 22:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm |
| 22:31 | <&Derakon> | (The filenames are "-out=20120412-10tap-dark_X[0..400].mrc") |
| 22:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | rename -- s/-out=// -out=* ? |
| 22:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | (without the ?) |
| 22:32 | <&Derakon> | Hm, that did it. Cool. |
| 22:32 | <&Derakon> | I didn't even know about the rename command. |
| 22:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | rename is kind of a pain in the ass because there's at least three different versions of it, some of which are shell builtins, all called 'rename' |
| 22:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | There's 'rename <perlexpr> <files>' |
| 22:32 | <&Derakon> | Heh. |
| 22:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | 'rename <substr> <replace> <files>' |
| 22:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | and 'rename <regex> <replace> <files>' |
| 22:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which one does your system use? It is a mystery! |
| 22:33 | < Noah> | Usage: rename [-v] [-n] [-f] perlexpr [filenames] |
| 22:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | The man page doesn't even help because it might, say, give you the manual for /usr/bin/rename but you're actually invoking the shell builtin |
| 22:33 | <&Derakon> | I generally use perl -ne if I need to do batch renaming. |
| 22:34 | < RichyB> | Derakon, I find it amusing how easy Perl is to find a copy of. :) |
| 22:35 | <&Derakon> | Sadly, I was unable to figure out the proper sequence of escaping etc. required to get Perl to do the right thing in this corner case. |
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| 22:54 | <&Derakon> | Argh. |
| 22:55 | <&Derakon> | So, the microscope that everyone uses here is currently down because of a faulty part, that's off for repairs. |
| 22:55 | <&Derakon> | Unfortunately the part is only intermittantly faulty, so the techs are having trouble with the repair job (can't fix what's not apparently broken). |
| 22:55 | <&Derakon> | So it's been out for a week and a half. |
| 22:55 | <&Derakon> | And every goddamn day people drop by to ask me if I have any information on when it'll be up again. |
| 22:56 | <&Derakon> | We have a mailing list, people! I said I'd notify everyone as soon as I had word! The lack of word on my part indicates that there is. no. news! |
| 22:56 | < Noah> | make a sign, in Comic Sans, stating that, no, the microscope is not working still, fuck off |
| 22:56 | <&Derakon> | These are academics I'm dealing with, Noah. A sign would just get ignored. |
| 22:56 | < Noah> | They figure you won't email the mailing list the VERY NANOSECOND you find out it's fixed |
| 22:57 | < Noah> | Or at all, and it might be working for days and no one there to break it again! |
| 22:57 | <&Derakon> | Heh. |
| 22:57 | < Noah> | Do this thing |
| 22:58 | < Noah> | Grease the door nob with vaseline, then when they ask, direct them to the sign "You have vaseline on your hand because you didn't read this sign to know about the vaseline on the door nob, also the microscrope is still down, asshat |
| 22:59 | <&Derakon> | Perhaps a trifle more...strident...a tone than I would normally take. |
| 22:59 | < Noah> | How's "IT'S STILL BROKEN YOU MICROSCOPE BREAKER"? Less cursing. |
| 23:01 | < Noah> | Or "We know who broke the microscope, if I see you, I will have you detained and interrogated, and the scope costs 50k dollars", and since no one actually knows your broke it, they'll assume you might suspect them, and leave you alone to avoid confrontation |
| 23:01 | <&Derakon> | $50k? |
| 23:01 | <&Derakon> | Amusingly naive. |
| 23:02 | <&Derakon> | You're at least an order of magnitude off. |
| 23:02 | < Noah> | High or low? |
| 23:02 | <&Derakon> | Low. |
| 23:02 | < Noah> | I'm assuming low |
| 23:02 | <&Derakon> | A single camera costs at least $20k. |
| 23:02 | <&Derakon> | And we have four. |
| 23:02 | < Noah> | Yea, since a part have to be sent of to repair |
| 23:02 | < Noah> | So, FOUR MILLION DOLLARS |
| 23:02 | < Noah> | In bold, underline, italics. |
| 23:05 | < Noah> | And blinking, if you can get the printer to pull it off |
| 23:05 | <&Derakon> | Alas, our printer can't do circuits and LEDs yet. |
| 23:06 | < Noah> | maybe do a chemical ink that, when light strikes it, warms up enough to make the ink fade, but then the dark ink fades, which means it's not hot anymore, so it cools down, then goes dark again, but catches light again... |
| 23:07 | < RichyB> | That might violate thermodynamics unless it needs a temperature gradient somewhere. |
| 23:07 | < Noah> | And calibrates itself to the current room temp... |
| 23:07 | <&Derakon> | Richy: well, presumably the room lights would provide the necessary energy input. |
| 23:08 | < Noah> | Yea, if it's dark, you aren't reading it anyway |
| 23:08 | < Noah> | And quit being a hard science asshat, I'm having fun here |
| 23:10 | < Noah> | You know what I've always wandered? Braille is typically fixed width, and we have fix width fonts, so why don't we print fixed width text over braille dots instead of having stupid huge name plates. I mean, I'm not reading the braille, and they're not feeling the font. |
| 23:10 | < Noah> | So they can share the same space. |
| 23:11 | < Namegduf> | Comfortable size differences, perhaps? |
| 23:11 | < Namegduf> | They still seem like they could overlap, but they wouldn't correspond. |
| 23:12 | < Namegduf> | Maybe the braille being clearly visible helps in guiding someone's hand to it, if necessary. |
| 23:12 | < Noah> | maybe... would have to find a cheap braille typewritter |
| 23:12 | < Namegduf> | It's a good question. |
| 23:12 | < Noah> | Braille being clearly visible...? |
| 23:12 | < Namegduf> | So someone who can see can direct them to it. |
| 23:12 | < Namegduf> | Since they've no way to know that it exists from a distance |
| 23:12 | < Namegduf> | I wouldn't be surprised if that kind of thing happened often. |
| 23:12 | < Noah> | Maybe |
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