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| 03:52 | < RnxLeo> | anyone? |
| 03:55 | <~Vornicus> | ? |
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| 04:05 | <&Derakon> | Silly people who expect activity within 8 minutes of joining the channel. |
| 04:08 | < Stalker> | And they got it. |
| 04:08 | <~Vornicus> | and then when they get it wander off. |
| 04:08 | < Stalker> | But still left. |
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| 04:29 | < Jakealo> | anyone can help me with some pascal? |
| 04:29 | <~Vornicus> | Just Ask |
| 04:30 | <~Vornicus> | (many of us may not know Pascal but your problem may not be uniquely pascalian) |
| 04:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 04:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | (I did Pascal many, many years ago, and Turing, a descendant of it, slightly more recently) |
| 04:31 | < Jakealo> | needing to read from txt file and add user imputed variables to the output |
| 04:32 | <~Vornicus> | Ah, so you're on the basics. That will be somewhat language specific. I don't know Pascal so I can't brief you on the file or string tools found therein. |
| 04:33 | < Jakealo> | ya I can do it in Dark Basic but not pascal.. |
| 04:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Also, ISTR that that's implementation dependent between UCSD Pascal, Turbo Pascal, Object Pascal, Turing, and Delphi. |
| 04:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which Pascal are you using, and what documentation do you have available for it? |
| 04:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | (and why Pascal in particular?) |
| 04:35 | <~Vornicus> | (I haven't met any pascal code in a long time. I played with Turbo Pascal on a mac in 1993 but I never got very far. I only Learned to Program in 2001) |
| 04:35 | < Jakealo> | Friend in art class needed me to write a program for his programming class...I got everything except that last part. I'm using Lazarus to code it |
| 04:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | That I've never even heard of. |
| 04:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | hang on |
| 04:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | This is a current programming course using Pascal to teach? |
| 04:37 | < Jakealo> | I guess, I thought no one used pascal anymore.. |
| 04:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, that's why I'm surprised |
| 04:38 | <@Alek> | must be DeVry. XD |
| 04:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | wiki.lazarus.freepascal.com looks like it has the docs you need, but it also looks like it's offline at the moment. |
| 04:39 | < Jakealo> | heres what I got if anyone wants to peak: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f12rJQw33nPFANgzYjoISH9Lw7yAv2E9dGsNTxzveyE |
| 04:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's a blank page. |
| 04:40 | < Jakealo> | and the txt file: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LYAG9CMFFfQhG9_CmMGipifBgb2w-hGCdyBqa924pxU |
| 04:40 | < Jakealo> | hmm..sec |
| 04:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | Also, why are you using google docs to share source code rather than, say, gist.github.com or another pastebin? |
| 04:41 | < Jakealo> | good question...had it open b/c I was in the middle of a reading assignment |
| 04:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aha |
| 04:43 | < Jakealo> | source:http://pastebin.com/wZfz2M6F |
| 04:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | http://www.freepascal.org/docs.var -- here is the documentation for FreePascal, which is the dialect that Lazarus compiles |
| 04:44 | < Jakealo> | txt:http://pastebin.com/UEvTPJ5d |
| 04:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | And here: http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/rtl/system/filefunctions.html is the documentation on file IO functions |
| 04:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | (Runtime Library -> System -> filefunctions |
| 04:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | It looks like the wiki also has some tutorials, but it's loading excrutiatingly slowly. |
| 04:45 | < Jakealo> | ya tried it a bit ago, just times out |
| 04:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | It loads for me, but takes nearly a minute per page |
| 04:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | If this loads for you, it may be what you're after: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/File_Handling_In_Pascal |
| 04:49 | < Jakealo> | thanks, i'll check it out |
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| 05:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh goddamnit: java.io.NotSerializableException: ksp.Game |
| 05:19 | | * ToxicFrog , faced with the choice of making it Serializeable or just sending the raw file data to the server to the parse, opts for the latter |
| 05:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | <3 IDEA |
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| 07:18 | | * McMartin returns from epic IF meetup |
| 07:18 | | * McMartin now has design bunnies |
| 07:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Occupational hazard~ |
| 07:19 | <&McMartin> | It turns out half the people there were New Media academics that actually had knowledge of the game on the ground, as it were |
| 07:19 | <&McMartin> | This meant I spent a lot of time talking about Alpha Protocol and Iji and Deus Ex and PS:T >_> |
| 07:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Rockin' |
| 07:19 | <&McMartin> | This has firmed up some of my opinions about AP and DX in particular |
| 07:19 | <&McMartin> | Also: Have now met Emily Short, Andrew Plotkin, Adam Cadre, Carl Muckenhoupt, Aaron Reed |
| 07:20 | | * jerith hopes McMartin manages to avoid tularemia. |
| 07:20 | < Kazriko> | Hrm. This zacate processor is actually decently fast on windows 8... |
| 07:20 | <&McMartin> | "zacate processor"? |
| 07:20 | < Kazriko> | AMD E350 |
| 07:20 | < Kazriko> | 1.6ghz dual core bobcat with a 6310 video card on-chip. |
| 07:21 | < Kazriko> | (18 watt chip.) |
| 07:21 | <&McMartin> | TF: Anyway, this means that I now have three tasks, clearly |
| 07:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | I know what you mean by "dual-core bobcat", but the mental image conjured is fantastic. |
| 07:22 | < Kazriko> | heh. |
| 07:22 | <&McMartin> | (1) Write up my specific set of Lessons Learned from AP, viz, the All that it has Shown Us (2) Translate this into IF, a la FotH's design spec (3) Make a design based on that (4) come up with a plot to fit to it >_> |
| 07:23 | < Kazriko> | install linux... on a multicore dead badger. |
| 07:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: oh hell yes |
| 07:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | ("instead of CPU, laptop contained angry bobcat...") |
| 07:25 | <&McMartin> | Note that the end result would have about as much in common with AP as FotH did to Super Meat Boy, that being the point of (2)~ |
| 07:25 | <&McMartin> | There are certain things AP does that are extremely hard to make idiomatic in IF |
| 07:26 | <&McMartin> | In particular, one of the Things Shown was that you can and should have the actiony parts be treated as actions in the talky parts, and vice versa. Usually this is one-way. |
| 07:26 | <&McMartin> | But taking conducts in AP has effects in the conversations/dating sim aspect, and reputation affects faction alignment of NPCs in missions, as well as number and alertness. |
| 07:27 | <&McMartin> | I have this vague vision of "there are X plot tokens you can get - takable items, out of a total set of Y > X. Which are available depends on reputation somehow; each puzzle has multiple solutions so that any set of reachable X can still ultimately solve the game" |
| 07:27 | < Kazriko> | ToxicFrog: heh, but I have a desktop E350... Decent in linux, better than decent so far in windows. |
| 07:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: yeah, I'm not expecting Text Protocol. |
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| 07:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | But I do tend to get a bit excited when someone who's work I know and respect says "so I have this proto-idea for a game formed after an evening discussing some of your favorite games with various luminaries of IF" |
| 07:29 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 07:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | (also, you got to meet Androw Plotkin and Emily Short, envy) |
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| 22:29 | < Throbulator> | Huh. Arduinos come in cute little boxes. With "Arduino", "Hacked", "DIY" and "Open Source" stickers. |
| 22:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Goddamn, switching between thesis work and KSP work is so painful |
| 22:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because the dev tools I have to use for my thesis are so terrible compared to IDEA |
| 22:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | On the plus side, message passing between PUs is working now \o/ |
| 22:37 | < Throbulator> | PUs? |
| 22:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | Processing Units. Secondary cores formed on-the-fly from SIMD processing element groups. |
| 22:40 | < Throbulator> | Ah. |
| 22:43 | | * ToxicFrog spent half an hour tracking down an 'invalid memory write' exception on the expression (channel_records[i].addr == c) before realizing that he'd compiled the relevant functions with PU-only instructions enabled >.< |
| 22:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Er, CP-only |
| 22:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | (by default the compiler will make use of instructions that only the CP can execute when optimizing; you have to specifically tell it which functions may end up executing on a PU) |
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