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| 01:57 | <&McMartin> | Man, ML's type checking is awesome. |
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| 02:44 | <&McMartin> | Type inference in general is just amazing |
| 02:44 | | * McMartin modifies a class, has the compiler automatically note every point where the change matters, which is not every point the type is referenced. |
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| 02:55 | < ToxicFrog> | <3 |
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| 03:16 | | * ToxicFrog baps google. "upgrade" and "update" are not synonyms! |
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| 03:18 | <&McMartin> | On the downside, I suppose, this was a situation where in a standard OO design, the amount of additional work would have basically been "zero" |
| 03:18 | <&McMartin> | Though I could have missed some spots on the initial modification that way. |
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| 04:19 | <&Derakon> | Man, now I find myself wanting to remake Legend of Zelda 1. |
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| 04:20 | <&Derakon> | In the "make a top-down exploration/adventure game which is entirely unclued and largely unordered." |
| 04:20 | <&Derakon> | sense. |
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| 12:20 | < gnolaptop> | ooh, wafer |
| 12:21 | < gnolaptop> | They're kinda pretty. |
| 12:31 | < gnolaptop> | (12" LTE ASIC wafer, to be specific) |
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| 15:09 | | * TheWatcher eyes php |
| 15:11 | <@TheWatcher> | I installed perl's Net::LDAP module with no need for any additional packages, why does php need to install the entirity of openldap and a bunch of other things to use ldap? *stab* |
| 15:24 | <@jerith> | TheWatcher: Probably because it wraps a C library. |
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| 15:48 | <@TheWatcher> | Also, yay |
| 15:48 | <@TheWatcher> | I can connect to the LDAPS server from perl. But not from php. Wonderful |
| 15:50 | <@TheWatcher> | And, of course, it won't tell me /why/, just "Can't contact LDAP server". |
| 15:57 | < simon_> | can anyone tell me how `find' can exclude files without first piping its results through grep -v? |
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| 16:02 | <@TheWatcher> | simon_: find $path -not -iname '*foo*' |
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| 16:04 | <@TheWatcher> | you can even do things like `find $path -iname '*.foo' -not -iname '*bar*'` |
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| 16:15 | < simon_> | TheWatcher, ah, -not! |
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| 16:30 | | * TheWatcher eyes his auth modules, goes to get the keys for the refactor tractor |
| 16:47 | < froztbyte> | haha |
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| 17:39 | < ToxicFrog> | WTF |
| 17:39 | < ToxicFrog> | Let's talk about actionscript |
| 17:40 | < ToxicFrog> | var a = [0,1]; var i = 0; a[(i++)] += 1; print(a, i) |
| 17:40 | < ToxicFrog> | What does this output? |
| 17:43 | <@Tamber> | Beings from beyond the comprehension of mortal man. |
| 17:44 | < celticminstrel> | Shouldn't it output [1,1]? Though I'm not quite sure what print(a, i) does. |
| 17:45 | < celticminstrel> | If it prints all its arguments, then I guess it would output something like [[1,1], 1] |
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| 17:48 | < ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: prints all its arguments, yes. |
| 17:49 | < ToxicFrog> | And [1,1], 1 is what it would output in a sensible language implemented by competent people. |
| 17:49 | < ToxicFrog> | But this is actionscript! |
| 17:50 | < celticminstrel> | So, what does it actually output then? |
| 17:50 | < ToxicFrog> | [2,1], 2 |
| 17:50 | < celticminstrel> | Huh. How's it get that? |
| 17:50 | < ToxicFrog> | Well, it's like this |
| 17:51 | < ToxicFrog> | a += b is commonly explained as 'loosely equivalent to a = a + b' |
| 17:51 | < ToxicFrog> | In ActionScript, it actually is equivalent. |
| 17:52 | < ToxicFrog> | Which means that 'a[(i++)] += 1' compiles to 'a[(i++)] = a[(i++)] + 1' |
| 17:52 | < ToxicFrog> | Yes, this means that (i++) gets evaluated twice. |
| 17:52 | < ToxicFrog> | And has a different values on the LHS from the RHS. |
| 17:52 | < celticminstrel> | I see. |
| 17:52 | < celticminstrel> | It works properly as javascript. |
| 17:52 | < ToxicFrog> | So that evaluates to a[0] = a[1] + 1 => a[0] = 1 + 1 => a[0] = 2. |
| 17:53 | < ToxicFrog> | It works properly in most languages, yes |
| 17:53 | < ToxicFrog> | Because most languages that have += and related operators implement them properly |
| 17:53 | < celticminstrel> | Well, I specifically said javascript because it's very similar to actionscript. |
| 17:54 | < ToxicFrog> | AS is technically an ECMAscript dialect, actually. |
| 17:54 | < ToxicFrog> | No shared code between the AS compiler and any JS implementation, though. |
| 17:55 | < ToxicFrog> | I'm not sure if the AS specification actually mandates this behaviour, or if it's a compiler bug. |
| 17:56 | < RichyB> | AS is *supposed* to be a strict superset of ECMAscript isn't it? |
| 17:56 | < RichyB> | Surely you're right and this is a compiler bug. |
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| 18:08 | < froztbyte> | http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.gzgetss.php --- wat |
| 18:08 | < froztbyte> | via http://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/ |
| 18:08 | < froztbyte> | more specifically via the "does this function really belong in the core?" post |
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| 19:00 | < ToxicFrog> | Ok, here's another one. |
| 19:00 | < ToxicFrog> | PHP. |
| 19:00 | < ToxicFrog> | What is the output: echo 0x0 +2, "\n", 0x0 +3.5, "\n", 0x0 +2e1; |
| 19:04 | < simon_> | I'd guess: 2 |
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| 19:05 | < simon_> | I guessed wrong, I see. |
| 19:05 | < ToxicFrog> | Yeah, the output is: 4 6.5 757 |
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| 19:07 | < simon_> | it's interesting that 0x0 +2 and 0x0 + 2 give different values. |
| 19:07 | < simon_> | I wonder what the semantics are. |
| 19:08 | < ToxicFrog> | The semantics are "the PHP lexer is a buggy shitheap". Check this out. |
| 19:08 | < ToxicFrog> | It matches hex literals as '0x[0-9a-fA-F]+' |
| 19:08 | < ToxicFrog> | When it finds one, it does the following: |
| 19:08 | < ToxicFrog> | - skip the 0x and all 0s after it |
| 19:09 | < ToxicFrog> | - call strtol() starting after the final 0 |
| 19:09 | < ToxicFrog> | - the RV is the value of the literal |
| 19:09 | < ToxicFrog> | - continue lexing from the first character after the original match |
| 19:09 | < ToxicFrog> | Which means that when you feed it "0x0 +2", it breaks down like this: |
| 19:09 | < ToxicFrog> | - hex literal: 0x0, length 3 |
| 19:09 | < ToxicFrog> | - skip 0x |
| 19:09 | < simon_> | ahhh |
| 19:10 | < ToxicFrog> | - skip leading 0s |
| 19:10 | < ToxicFrog> | - call strtol(" +2", NULL, 16) |
| 19:10 | < simon_> | heh |
| 19:10 | < ToxicFrog> | - RV is 2, so the value of 0x0 is 2 |
| 19:10 | < ToxicFrog> | - continue lexing, get binary_op(+), int_literal(2) |
| 19:10 | < ToxicFrog> | - execute 2+2 and get 4 |
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| 19:11 | < ToxicFrog> | "0x0 + 2" gives a different result because strtol(" +2") != strtol(" + 2") - strtol doesn't permit whitespace between the sign and the digits. |
| 19:11 | < simon_> | right. |
| 19:12 | <&Derakon> | Output of my fragment shader false coloration: http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/temp2/auto.png |
| 19:12 | < ToxicFrog> | Similarly, "0x0 +3.5" lexes as "0x3 + 3.5", and "0x0 +2e1" as "0x2E1 + 20.0" |
| 19:12 | <&Derakon> | Output from manually scaling the image instead of having the shader do the scaling: http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/temp2/manual.png |
| 19:13 | <&Derakon> | For some reason, scaling pixels in the shader is losing me a ton of color resolution. |
| 19:13 | <@jerith> | ToxicFrog: That... I... vocabulary failure. |
| 19:14 | < ToxicFrog> | :php: |
| 19:15 | < simon_> | ToxicFrog, apparently it's fixed in PHP 5.4 |
| 19:16 | <@jerith> | I wonder how much code that will break. |
| 19:17 | < ToxicFrog> | >0 |
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| 19:19 | < celticminstrel> | XD |
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| 20:48 | | * Derakon mutters at OpenGL, wonders why his pixels are either blue or red, and never in-between. |
| 21:35 | < Rhamphoryncus> | augh. Why did you let me see that 0x0 thing? Now my head hurts. |
| 21:36 | < gnolam> | Derakon: can you post your shader? |
| 21:36 | < gnolam> | (Also, those two images are of different size) |
| 21:37 | <&Derakon> | Yeah, the images were made with Windows' Snipping Tool program, so they're imprecise. |
| 21:37 | <&Derakon> | http://pastebin.com/6eHUxtye |
| 21:39 | < gnolam> | (Agh, inlined shaders!) |
| 21:39 | < gnolam> | Hmm. |
| 21:39 | < gnolam> | Why are you using min(max()) instead of clamp()? |
| 21:39 | <&Derakon> | Because I didn't know about clamp. |
| 21:40 | < gnolam> | Ah. :) |
| 21:41 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Not talking about any specific language here.. I almost wish clamp() accepted None for the lower or upper bound just because it makes more sense than min/max |
| 21:42 | < Rhamphoryncus> | min(0.9999, x) sounds like it should take a low value, but it's not. It's taking a high value, x, and make sure it's not TOO high |
| 21:42 | < gnolam> | Also: filtering on the LUT/texture? |
| 21:43 | < Rhamphoryncus> | or.. it just passes x through unaltered, if it's already low |
| 21:43 | <&Derakon> | Gnolam: I don't understand the question. |
| 21:43 | < gnolam> | The min/mag filtering mode. |
| 21:43 | <&Derakon> | Oh, GL_NEAREST. |
| 21:46 | <&Derakon> | The other thing I've noticed is that changing the size of the LUT (e.g. from 512 to 2048) changes the resulting image. |
| 21:46 | <&Derakon> | I was under the impression that texture1D(color_lut, value) basically took value in the range [0, 1] and then scaled that to the size of color_lut to get a color. |
| 21:46 | <&Derakon> | Is that not the case? |
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| 23:42 | | * gnolam eyes FreeType. |
| 23:42 | < gnolam> | They're renaming the library file with every minor version? Seriously? |
| 23:46 | < RichyB> | Is the ABI changing each time? |
| 23:46 | < gnolam> | Not AFAIK. |
| 23:47 | <&McMartin> | Hooray |
| 23:47 | <&McMartin> | http://www.addedbytes.com/blog/if-php-were-british/ |
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| --- Log closed Wed Feb 22 00:00:41 2012 |