| --- Log opened Sat Aug 06 00:00:07 2011 |
| 00:02 | | kwsn is now known as kws_not-here |
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| 00:19 | | * gnolam grumbles |
| 00:20 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:20 | < gnolam> | I know what's wrong, and the general details of how to fix it. |
| 00:22 | < gnolam> | But the specifics elude me. |
| 00:22 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
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| 01:43 | < kwsn> | http://infosuck.org/0x001c.png |
| 01:43 | < kwsn> | >_> |
| 01:43 | < kwsn> | <_< |
| 01:43 | < gnolam> | What. |
| 01:44 | < Stalker> | I blame kwsn. |
| 01:45 | < kwsn> | gnolam: i'm not helping that stereotype much.. ._. |
| 02:07 | < gnolam> | You're transsexual and that's Turing's fault? |
| 02:07 | < kwsn> | gnolam: it's the "turing curse" per ce, every person in the computer industry has a penis, NO EXCEPTIONS |
| 02:16 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
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| 02:33 | < cpux> | There's two women in my company's IT department. Your argument is invalid. And I really need to learn to type faster. >.< |
| 02:39 | < cpux> | Though as it were, yeah, between IT and engineering, it's over 90% male. :-P |
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| 03:05 | | * kwsn has returned to her linux install :D |
| 03:12 | < cpux> | Yay. And as I was saying right after you brb'd, there are two women in my company's IT department. And some more in engineering. Including my boss. |
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| 03:15 | < cpux> | Though it is mostly a sausagefest. :-P |
| 03:16 | < kwsn> | :P |
| 03:17 | < kwsn> | my work is like that |
| 03:18 | < ToxicFrog> | Bluecoat was mostly a sausagefest, but the people actually -running- things were all women. |
| 03:19 | < ToxicFrog> | Kim was a pretty kickass boss. |
| 03:20 | < cpux> | My boss is cool and looks damn good in a pair of cargo pants. But of course I do have morals; she's married and has a kid. Plus it probably helps her husband also works there and is a gun nut. o_O |
| 03:22 | < cpux> | The guy running my company? Donald Trump with a bad tan. XD |
| 03:28 | < kwsn> | apparently i used this install back when the kernel was 2.6.31 o-o |
| 03:30 | < ToxicFrog> | That's getting a bit outdated, yeah |
| 03:30 | < cpux> | It's okay. Practically every slot manufacturer built their current OSes on top of kernels older than that. |
| 03:30 | < cpux> | At least the ones who use Linux. The ones who use Windows, I don't know much about. |
| 03:30 | < ToxicFrog> | "slot manufacturer"? |
| 03:31 | < cpux> | As in slot machines. I test them. |
| 03:34 | < kwsn> | so it's currently running in the background on another window |
| 03:37 | < ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 03:37 | < kwsn> | yeah |
| 03:37 | < cpux> | In the past two weeks I had two manufacturers submit slot software using glibc's default rand() function to determine game results. And one is a well-known brand that I care not to disclose. :-P |
| 03:37 | < kwsn> | i run xmonad ^_^ |
| 03:39 | | Kindamoody[zZz] is now known as Kindamoody |
| 03:39 | < ToxicFrog> | cpux: what the shit |
| 03:39 | < ToxicFrog> | /dev/random is there for a reason, people |
| 03:42 | | * kwsn sends ToxicFrog to /dev/null |
| 03:43 | < ToxicFrog> | eep |
| 03:44 | < kwsn> | :D |
| 03:44 | < cpux> | Yeah. For the smaller company, I took pity and told them how to make a multi-LFSR that would pass scrutiny so long as they can build it to constantly run in the background. |
| 03:44 | | * kwsn eyes firefox |
| 03:45 | < cpux> | The larger company had some proven RNG code running on proven hardware, so yeah. |
| 03:51 | < kwsn> | heh |
| 04:35 | < kwsn> | there we go |
| 04:35 | < kwsn> | everything up to date |
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| 04:41 | < cpux> | Time to party, then. |
| 04:43 | < kwsn> | heh |
| 04:46 | | * ToxicFrog casts about in futility for a decent photo manager for linux |
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| 10:23 | | * TheWatcher vaguely eyes someone waxing lyrical about the "awesone new features" in XCode4, is having to exercise extreme restraint to avoid replying to 95% of them with "Um, dude, emacs could that 10, or even 20, years ago." ¬¬ |
| 10:28 | <@Tamber> | hehe |
| 10:29 | <@Tamber> | Which "awesone new features" have they finally got? :p |
| 10:33 | < TheWatcher> | Things like the jump bar, split windows, various file opening methods, a raft of features that ECB has had forever |
| 10:34 | <@Tamber> | hehe |
| 10:40 | <@McMartin> | TheWatcher: The biggest feature touted in OS X 10.7 is a fucking start menu. |
| 10:40 | < TheWatcher> | Whooo |
| 10:41 | <@McMartin> | Also, yes, Emacs did everything decades in advance, just like Ada had all relevant language features 50 years before everyone else~ |
| 10:43 | < TheWatcher> | :P |
| 10:44 | <@McMartin> | When you are, in actual fact, a LISP-based OS with text editing primitives, you get everything first~ |
| 11:14 | | * TheWatcher does an M-x butterfly to create a module to let him do M-x kitchensink |
| 11:18 | | * TheWatcher fiddles with an autosave extension for mediawiki |
| 11:19 | < froztbyte> | mediawiki :x |
| 11:19 | < froztbyte> | TheWatcher: my sympathies for your loss |
| 11:20 | < TheWatcher> | I actually quite like it, there's some crud in there but there is in any software project. |
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| 11:23 | < froztbyte> | what sort of content do you use it for? |
| 11:24 | < TheWatcher> | I run a few wikis for various nightstar people, supporting games and collaborative development. In work we use it for course development and documentation. |
| 11:38 | < TheWatcher> | (in total, I run 15 of the things) |
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| 11:59 | < froztbyte> | heh |
| 11:59 | < froztbyte> | mediawiki seems like a lot of effort, but I suppose it might be necessary in some academic senses |
| 12:00 | < froztbyte> | for plain old documentation, Dokuwiki does pretty swimmingly |
| 12:00 | < froztbyte> | and I've had a recommendation to check pmWiki out as well.. |
| 12:03 | <@McMartin> | Trac also has an intrinsic wiki system, IIRC. |
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| 12:06 | < TheWatcher> | froztbyte: really isn't worth me looking for anything else, unless it has some incredible feature Mediawiki doesn't. Setup from nothing to working wiki takes me 30 seconds, updating all 15 takes under a minute, populating an empty mediawiki with full Help: and many useful templates takes under five (most of which is uploading support files) |
| 12:15 | < froztbyte> | TheWatcher: oh no sure, I'm not saying you should be looking for anything else |
| 12:16 | < froztbyte> | just when we were looking initially, mediawiki was far more effort than we needed |
| 12:16 | < froztbyte> | the initial time spent getting it nice was just too much |
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| 12:16 | < froztbyte> | McMartin: trac's internal wiki is sub-optimal, but useful in some cases |
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| 14:49 | | * kwsn evils laughs, just because |
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| 17:34 | < kwsn> | ... |
| 17:34 | < kwsn> | ok then |
| 17:37 | < gnolam> | ? |
| 17:38 | < kwsn> | nothing xD |
| 17:39 | < Phox> | Raaaargh, I hate wireless networks!! |
| 17:41 | < Phox> | They're stupid, because they're easy for stupid people to use. |
| 17:41 | < Phox> | "Let's locate the wireless box-thing in the furthest corner of the house, away from any of the rooms with computers. It shoots out lasers, or something, so it should be fine. |
| 17:41 | < Phox> | " |
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| 21:29 | | * Tamber shoots google. |
| 21:29 | <@Tamber> | No, I meant "psf", don't get all smrt and silently 'correct' that to PDF. |
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| 21:55 | < gnolam> | Tamber: welcome to the Google autocorrection hate club. :P |
| 21:55 | <@Tamber> | :p |
| 21:55 | <@Tamber> | I was already here. |
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| 23:20 | <@McMartin> | I think I avoid most of this because 95% of the time I'm searching for things that are actually words in some human language |
| 23:23 | <@Tamber> | So I'd be fine if I weren't trying to actually find out info about errors, or information about fonts? |
| 23:24 | <@McMartin> | It's more "if you're looking for specific character strings, use the code 'search for specific character strings', which is a code." |
| 23:24 | <@McMartin> | It's not like they're going to make your usecase the default when it isn't actually the common one. |
| 23:26 | <@Tamber> | My use case is "Search for what I gods-damned looked for, damnit" ?? If it thinks I've typo'd, then have it ask "did you mean /pdf/?", rather than 'correcting' me (quite often without the option to tell it that it's wrong.) |
| 23:27 | <@Tamber> | Oh well. |
| 23:31 | < gnolam> | And as we've been over, "words in some human language" are also autocorrected. And even worse. |
| 23:32 | < gnolam> | Because then it doesn't just autowrong your words, it also adds what it thinks are synonyms to them. |
| 23:37 | < gnolam> | And then there's the whole thing about disregarding your search terms at random. Meaning that even if it for some reason doesn't decide to screw with your input, you still have to vomit plus signs all over your search. |
| 23:38 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 23:42 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 23:53 | <@McMartin> | Yes, we've had this conversation. |
| 23:54 | <@McMartin> | And I still find it adorable that you seem to think that someone becomes the mindshare winner by huge margins by deliberately fucking everything up. |
| 23:54 | <@McMartin> | That's not actually what "worse is better" means. |
| 23:56 | < ToxicFrog> | McMartin: there's a difference between "fucking everything up" and "has a 'feature' that is really irritating for my uses and cannot be turned off" |
| 23:56 | <@McMartin> | There's no polite way to say "your market segment is so small that it has been universally deemed an acceptable sacrifice", but that's clearly what's going on here. |
| --- Log closed Sun Aug 07 00:00:21 2011 |