| --- Log opened Sun Aug 07 00:00:21 2011 |
| 00:05 | < gnolam> | Honestly, I don't think the users they're trying to help even notices the difference. But the rest of us do. So why the fuck do it? |
| 00:06 | < gnolam> | And most of all: why not /let us turn it off/. |
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| 00:53 | | * ToxicFrog constructs a library for reading and writing VDF files. |
| 00:54 | < gnolam> | VDF? |
| 00:56 | < ToxicFrog> | The file format Steam uses to store textual data. |
| 00:56 | < ToxicFrog> | Used to store things like friend list information, game categories, and whatnot. |
| 00:57 | < ToxicFrog> | It's a heirarchical key-value affair resembling stripped-down JSON. |
| 01:00 | <@McMartin> | How do you strip down JSON even further? |
| 01:00 | | * McMartin wishes JSON at least allowed comments >_< |
| 01:00 | <@McMartin> | (The fact that many JSON parsers permit it does not mean it's actually allowed.) |
| 01:00 | | * gnolam takes a look. |
| 01:00 | < gnolam> | Ah. That format that Source uses everywhere. Didn't know it had a name. :) |
| 01:01 | < gnolam> | (As, at least in Half-Life 2, files in that format are simply named .txt) |
| 01:01 | < ToxicFrog> | McMartin: VDF := PAIR+; PAIR := KEY VALUE; KEY = '"' string '"'; VALUE = KEY | '{' VDF '}'; |
| 01:02 | < ToxicFrog> | gnolam: the ones that Steam itself uses all have a .vdf extension. |
| 01:02 | <@McMartin> | TF: ... that looks like all of JSON. What does JSON have that that doesn't? |
| 01:03 | <@McMartin> | Oh. Equals signs. |
| 01:03 | < ToxicFrog> | A bunch of punctuation and data types boolean, number, array, and nil. |
| 01:03 | < ToxicFrog> | VDF strips out the : and , and all data types except object and string. |
| 01:04 | < gnolam> | Also: Half-Life 2 was released in 2004. The JSON RFC is from 2006. |
| 01:04 | <@McMartin> | I wasn't implying direct descent :) |
| 01:08 | < ToxicFrog> | alright. VDF reader and writer implemented. |
| 01:09 | < ToxicFrog> | Just need to test it and then I can start work on the actual program. |
| 02:10 | | * ToxicFrog glares at Steam |
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| 02:11 | <@McMartin> | ? |
| 02:13 | < ToxicFrog> | So, in order to do this properly, I need the following: |
| 02:13 | < ToxicFrog> | - the user's Steam ID |
| 02:13 | < ToxicFrog> | - the set of all games (as steam appIDs) the user has on Steam |
| 02:13 | < ToxicFrog> | - an appID -> name mapping |
| 02:14 | < ToxicFrog> | #1 can be trivially obtained by examining the contents of $STEAM/userdata and, if more than one profile exists, asking the user which is theirs. |
| 02:14 | < ToxicFrog> | #2 and #3 turn out to be fairly tricky. |
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| 02:15 | <@McMartin> | Aha |
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| 02:20 | < ToxicFrog> | Steam does not appear to store anywhere locally a list of all games the user has licenses to. |
| 02:21 | < ToxicFrog> | I can trivially get #2 and #3 by scraping the user's steamcommunity page, but there's only two ways to access that - the custom URL and the full steamID. |
| 02:21 | < ToxicFrog> | The custom URL is basically arbitrary and there's no way to determine it from user ID. |
| 02:21 | < ToxicFrog> | The full steamID consists of three parts of which the local user ID is only one. |
| 02:23 | < ToxicFrog> | I may have to settle for just asking the user what their steamcommnity ID is. |
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| 04:56 | < ToxicFrog> | Steam categorization widget: success! |
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| 14:14 | | * gnolam WTFs at Python's CSV module. |
| 14:16 | < gnolam> | Explain to me why it's using double line breaks? |
| 14:17 | < TheWatcher> | The good old windows v unix newline problem with CSV? |
| 14:18 | < gnolam> | What? |
| 14:19 | < TheWatcher> | CSV has this hilarious problem where, if you check in code on one OS and then out on th eother, it screws up the newlines - either doubling them, or sometimes stripping them. |
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| 14:19 | < TheWatcher> | Oh, wait |
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| 14:19 | < TheWatcher> | I was thing CVS, not CSV |
| 14:19 | < TheWatcher> | I'll just shut up now |
| 14:19 | < TheWatcher> | (I blame the migraine) |
| 14:20 | < gnolam> | ... it's seriously ending each row with CR + CRLF. |
| 14:20 | < gnolam> | Python: extensive standard library, but half the modules are shit. :P |
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| 20:30 | < gnolam> | "A datetime.datetime, datetime.date, or datetime.time instance is converted into Excel date format (a float representing the number of days since (typically) 1899-12-31T00:00:00, under the pretence that 1900 was a leap year)" |
| 20:30 | < gnolam> | ... mmm, Excel. |
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| 23:08 | | * gnolam triumphs over natural uranium! |
| 23:10 | < TheWatcher> | \o/ |
| 23:13 | < gnolam> | (It was a feature request: having "U-nat" as a selectable nuclide when defining sources, where U-nat represents U-238 and U-235 in their natural activity ratios. I found a way to do this cleanly and with a minimum of new code.) |
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| --- Log closed Mon Aug 08 00:00:36 2011 |