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| 00:43 | | * Vornicus considers. Thinks he might know the next thing he should have Vash make. |
| 00:45 | < Vornicus> | Wel. Idunno, maybe not last last. |
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| 00:45 | < Vornicus> | er. next next. |
| 00:46 | < Vornicus> | Man, where has my brain gone. |
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| 01:38 | < Reiver> | VRON |
| 01:38 | < Reiver> | So I have a question |
| 01:38 | < Reiver> | Do I want to change all my files and direct data operations into raws just in order to take care of a single statline? |
| 01:40 | < Reiver> | Or do I keep everything as stat mods, and have to store the raws seperately? |
| 01:40 | < Reiver> | Or do I store the baseline stats alone as raws, convert them inside the program, and leave everything else as mods to apply to the baseline mods once they've been loaded in? |
| 01:44 | < Vornicus> | Are you Absolutely Certain that you'll never see an odd change to the raw? |
| 01:45 | < Reiver> | An odd change? |
| 01:45 | < Reiver> | Oh. |
| 01:46 | < Reiver> | Yeah, pretty much |
| 01:47 | < Reiver> | http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/b/beast-shape-ii - because as you can see, the stat mods are hardcoded to the spells that comprise Wildshape. |
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| 01:53 | < Vornicus> | Okay. Then baselines as raws, everything else as mods, and then if you REALLY need to you can switch up to raw mods easily just by doubling. |
| 01:54 | < Reiver> | But in the meantime everything is a little touch cleaner. Alright. |
| 01:55 | < Reiver> | So, baseline: Skills, stats, BAB. Pretty much that's all that counts. |
| 01:55 | < Reiver> | I do have INA Claw and INA Bite, but I've been applying that to the critters as I go; it's not going to change from this point onward anyway. |
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| 02:27 | < Reiver> | Oh, I should check how CON works in this. I think it's a genuine buff, now |
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| 06:39 | < Reiver> | BAB,STR,DEX,CON,INT,WIS,CHA,stealth,acrobatics,perception,survival |
| 06:39 | < Reiver> | 4,15,19,14,2,15,10,4,6,4 |
| 06:39 | < Reiver> | That's a very short file. |
| 06:39 | < Reiver> | Is there any way to leave comments inside a csv? |
| 06:45 | < Vornicus> | Well you can have a "comment" column I guess. |
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| 11:24 | | * TheWatcher hates all over endian issues |
| 11:25 | < TheWatcher> | Why they can't just use big-endian throughout like sane, sensible people, I don't know. |
| 13:58 | | * Tamber flops, attempts to wave, can't lift arm, etc. |
| 13:59 | < Tamber> | So, I need to set up a portal to step back in time and punch my stupid past self in the crotch for thinking all that SPARC gear wouldn't be so heavy. |
| 13:59 | | * Tamber breaks out the Perl. |
| 14:07 | < Reiver> | SPARC? |
| 14:07 | < Tamber> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SPARCstation_1.jpg |
| 14:07 | < Tamber> | Thankfully, sans monitor, because that really would have killed me. I'd be dead, on a footbridge over a railway line. |
| 14:08 | < Tamber> | Killed by some Sun equipment. |
| 14:12 | < TheWatcher> | ahahaha |
| 14:12 | < TheWatcher> | Yeah, some of it is notorious |
| 14:13 | < Tamber> | 55kg, the lot of it comes out to; including shoebox and manuals. I weigh 75kg, and don't usually do anything much more strenuous than walk to the shops. Result? I feel like my limbs are made of wet noodles. |
| 14:16 | < MagisterEngineerAnno> | Start learning martial arts! |
| 14:25 | < TheWatcher> | Tamber: 'course the obvious question here is why you're lugging around bits of computer history |
| 14:26 | < Tamber> | I thought I could do with some exercise! Actually, no, I was collecting it from a guy who was giving it away, then it's getting packed up to go to a friend of mine who wants it. |
| 14:26 | < Tamber> | I had a "woah" moment when it finally dawned on me who this guy was. |
| 14:26 | < TheWatcher> | Oh? |
| 14:27 | < Tamber> | Dr. C. H. Lindsey. |
| 14:28 | < TheWatcher> | Hah |
| 14:29 | < Reiver> | ? |
| 14:31 | < Tamber> | Algol, amongst other things. |
| 14:32 | < Reiver> | Who you got it off, or who you're giving it to? |
| 14:33 | < TheWatcher> | Former manchester uni lecturer, one of the ALGOL68 designers, was largely responsible for slavaging the utter clusterfuck that was the uk.* usenet tree in the mid 90s, stuff like that |
| 14:33 | < Tamber> | Reiver, that I got it off. |
| 14:33 | < TheWatcher> | That SPARC station was one of the machines he took when he retired, then |
| 14:33 | < Tamber> | So it seems. |
| 14:35 | < TheWatcher> | Was a bit before my time (I started at manchester the year he left), but he is still technically a honorary fellow |
| 14:36 | < TheWatcher> | (or was it a couple of years before, can't properly remember *shrug*) |
| 14:36 | | * TheWatcher ponders what to do with this stray alignment byte in this file format |
| 15:09 | < gnolam> | TheWatcher: as long as you promise to feed it, you can keep it. |
| 15:27 | < Reiver> | TheWatcher: Use it as a checksum via an undocumented method of data integrity checking. |
| 15:28 | < Tamber> | Occasionally set it randomly. |
| 15:32 | < gnolam> | Split it into a Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic and a Good/Neutral/Evil field. |
| 15:33 | < Reiver> | Assign it based on the date. Using the Ceasarian calendar system. |
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| 19:51 | < Derakon> | I just wanted to share this with you all: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.graphics.api.opengl/browse_thread/thread/8e0 87ca1eef3d483# |
| 19:51 | < Derakon> | (Nothing related to my own job's shenanigans this time) |
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| 21:30 | | * Derakon sighs. |
| 21:30 | < Derakon> | Need to make a 64-bit version of this OSX program that uses scipy and wxWidgets. |
| 21:30 | < Derakon> | wxWidgets: 32-bit only up until Python 2.7, since they'd been using the Carbon API for UI calls, which Apple deprecated ages ago. |
| 21:31 | < Derakon> | Scipy/numpy: only has unofficial 64-bit builds (for a scientific programming library?!), and those only for Python 2.6. |
| 21:31 | < McMartin> | "Which Apple deprecated ages ago, except for stuff like printer management, which continues to have no Cocoa alternatives" |
| 21:32 | < Derakon> | Hooray. |
| 21:32 | < Derakon> | Fortunately I don't need printer support. |
| 21:32 | < McMartin> | Oh, printer *support* is in Cocoa. |
| 21:32 | < McMartin> | But did you want to programatically select or configure a printer? It's Carbon for you! |
| 21:32 | < McMartin> | Or try to reverse engineer how both of them interface with CUPS, which is a lolno. |
| 21:34 | < celticminstrel> | Is wxCocoa finally considered stable, then? |
| 21:36 | < McMartin> | I wouldn't bet any sum on it. |
| 21:36 | < Derakon> | It's on the official download page for wxPython. http://www.wxpython.org/download.php |
| 21:36 | < Derakon> | Dunno about non-Python-specific builds. |
| 21:36 | < McMartin> | Not the same question~ |
| 21:36 | < Derakon> | True. |
| 21:39 | < McMartin> | 03:25 < TheWatcher> Why they can't just use big-endian throughout like sane, sensible people, I don't know. |
| 21:39 | < McMartin> | I'm sure you know the answer to that, but it bears repeating: Assembler programmers have a sad when they can't cast for free |
| 21:39 | < celticminstrel> | Blergh. |
| 21:39 | < McMartin> | Alternately, of course, is the famed exchange from a US political campaign many years ago. |
| 21:40 | < McMartin> | "You have the vote of every thinking person!" "I need a majority, son." |
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| 21:40 | < celticminstrel> | Hehe. |
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| 21:41 | | * McMartin eyes Sourceforge, which has served up an ad for something called "MeeGo". |
| 21:41 | < Derakon> | Vas ist? |
| 21:41 | < McMartin> | I can't tell if this is on purpose, someone disgruntled slipping stuff past the radar, or what. |
| 21:41 | < McMartin> | It appears to be a huge pile of buzzwords. |
| 21:42 | < McMartin> | However, it is also named for Lovecraftian alien beings, slightly misspelled. |
| 21:42 | < McMartin> | It's like having an OO platform for KDE named KToolOO. |
| 21:42 | < Derakon> | Ah, yes. |
| 21:42 | < Derakon> | Hee |
| 21:42 | < Derakon> | Wow, that is a lot of buzzwords. |
| 21:43 | < McMartin> | "MeeGo is an open source Linux project brings together the Moblin project, headed up by Intel, and Maemo, by Nokia, into a single open source activity. The MeeGo based platform is specifically designed to enable the application and services ecosystem for mobile and media-centric devices powered by Intel Atom processors." |
| 21:43 | < McMartin> | Yes sir, that makes me want to click, for sure. |
| 21:43 | <@Namegduf> | Wow, that's awful. |
| 21:43 | < Tamber> | And in all that text, they haven't actually said anything. Impressive. |
| 21:43 | <@Namegduf> | It's a Linux-based OS for netbooks and tablets |
| 21:43 | < McMartin> | Also, Moblin? Does Intel also have an Oktorok project? |
| 21:44 | <@Namegduf> | The history lesson is pretty irrelevant to an ad |
| 21:44 | <@Namegduf> | I mean really |
| 21:44 | <@Namegduf> | They don't care |
| 21:44 | < McMartin> | Well, to be fair |
| 21:44 | < McMartin> | They could tell me what it is |
| 21:44 | < McMartin> | and I still wouldn't care |
| 21:44 | < McMartin> | So, I mean, why go halfway, right? |
| 21:46 | < McMartin> | They're missing "synergize" and "value-add", though I note in passing that "value-add" actually encapsulates a useful concept that doesn't have a pre-existing convenient noun. |
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