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| 13:04 | < gnolaptop> | Oh dear. I had forgotten how wonderful the prepared press statements for radiological events were. |
| 13:05 | < gnolaptop> | [Organization name] confirms that it has received a report of [nature of event]. According to the information received at this time, the [event] occurred at [time and location]. |
| 13:05 | < gnolaptop> | Reports indicate that [any confirmed information on the event] and that [any initial measures] measures are being taken to protect [the public, responders, products, trade, or specify as appropriate]. |
| 13:05 | < gnolaptop> | The [specify plan as appropriate] emergency plan has now been activated [and we have activated our public information centre]. |
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| 13:11 | < gnolaptop> | It reads like something out of Deus Ex or SCP. :) |
| 13:11 | < Tarinaky> | scp? |
| 13:13 | < gnolaptop> | Wiki where people write conspiracy theory creepypasta. |
| 13:19 | < Namegduf> | It's descriptions of bizarre 'artifacts', which can be huge or small, or unmovable or not, or people, which "don't make sense" and are usually very dangerous, usually in a creepy way, from the perspective of a fictional containment/research organisation. |
| 13:19 | < Namegduf> | Easy to get stuck into reading, because a lot of it is quite amusing. |
| 13:22 | < gnolaptop> | Until you end up on an article that's obvious fap material for the author. >_< |
| 13:22 | < gnolaptop> | Anyway. Much of it reads like what I pasted above, only with [REDACTED] instead of the [fill in the blanks]. |
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| 14:27 | < Orthia> | Ah yes the fap material |
| 14:27 | < Orthia> | Of course, much of that now gets erased. |
| 14:28 | < Anno[Laptop]> | Is that actual literary porn or just something the author has a hard-on for? |
| 14:31 | < Orthia> | A remarkable portion of the articles include items such as: Shy, introverted yet highly intelligent young women with unusual powers |
| 14:31 | < Orthia> | Impossibly badass individuals, who inevitably beat up/enlist with the Resident Tough Guy |
| 14:31 | < Orthia> | ... you get the idea |
| 15:03 | < ToxicFrog> | Anno[Laptop]: the latter. |
| 15:06 | < gnolam> | Unfortunately, we're talking literal hard-ons though. |
| 15:07 | | * Anno[Laptop] starts reading the top-rated items. |
| 15:07 | < Anno[Laptop]> | These are hilarious. |
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| 15:39 | < Orthia> | Yeah, the top-rated stuff is awesome. |
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| 16:53 | < Namegduf> | My favourite SCP so far is SCP-5308-J |
| 16:57 | < gnolam> | :) |
| 16:58 | < gnolam> | But that's some incredibly light granite. |
| 17:02 | < gnolam> | Roughly the density of cork. |
| 17:02 | < gnolam> | (Which goes against the whole point of that article, which is "completely ordinary stuff") |
| 17:04 | < Namegduf> | The last one was best, though. |
| 17:04 | < Namegduf> | Slow week, perhaps. |
| 17:04 | < Namegduf> | Especially with the picture. |
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| 20:31 | <@Derakon> | Damn but it's cold here. |
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| 21:13 | <@Derakon> | Current project: "one of your former coworkers has some X-ray computed tomography images on one of these computers. Find them and see if you can make them look prettier." |
| 21:13 | <@Derakon> | No indication of which computer, the coworker's filesystem is naturally messy and undocumented (but who documents filesystems?), and I don't even know what they look like. |
| 21:15 | <@jerith> | Ugly, it would seem. |
| 21:15 | <@Derakon> | I'm not making much progress, that's for sure. |
| 21:17 | <@TheWatcher> | ... and how exactly does one make them look /prettier/? Photoshop a vase of petunias on them?! |
| 21:17 | <@jerith> | Please! Geraniums, if anything. |
| 21:17 | < gnolam> | Please please please go "A Canticle for Leibowitz" on them and illuminate the X-rays! |
| 21:18 | <@TheWatcher> | gnolam wins >.> |
| 21:18 | <@jerith> | That would be *awesome*. |
| 21:27 | <@Derakon> | (The actual answer is "we have a denoising algorithm, and we're going around hitting various types of image data with it to see what sticks.") |
| 21:28 | <@jerith> | Does it illuminate? |
| 21:28 | <@Derakon> | It can unobscure. |
| 21:29 | <@Derakon> | Idly, is A Canticle for Leibowitz recommended? |
| 21:29 | < Tarinaky> | Wikipedia says it's good. |
| 21:29 | <@Derakon> | So it does. |
| 21:29 | < Tarinaky> | And if it's on wikipedia it must be true. |
| 21:30 | <@Derakon> | Mental note: create a vanity page~ |
| 21:31 | < gnolam> | It's an awesome novel. |
| 21:31 | <@Derakon> | Roger that. |
| 21:32 | <@jerith> | It's a really good book. |
| 21:32 | < Tarinaky> | I saw the wikipedia article and thought: "So that's what the last episode of season 4 of Babylon 5 was ripping off." |
| 21:32 | <@jerith> | The sequel... not so much. |
| 21:33 | < gnolam> | I've thought about sneaking in the prayer from the beginning of chapter 2 into my job project somehow. :) |
| 21:34 | < gnolam> | From the place of ground zero, |
| 21:34 | < gnolam> | O Lord, deliver us. |
| 21:34 | < gnolam> | From the rain of the cobalt, |
| 21:34 | < gnolam> | O Lord, deliver us. |
| 21:34 | < gnolam> | From the rain of the strontium, |
| 21:34 | < gnolam> | O Lord, deliver us. |
| 21:34 | < gnolam> | From the fall of the cesium, |
| 21:34 | < gnolam> | O Lord, deliver us. |
| 21:34 | < gnolam> | From the curse of the Fallout, |
| 21:34 | < gnolam> | O Lord, deliver us. |
| 21:34 | < gnolam> | From the begetting of monsters, |
| 21:34 | < gnolam> | O Lord, deliver us. |
| 21:34 | < gnolam> | From the curse of the Misborn, |
| 21:34 | < gnolam> | O Lord deliver us. |
| 21:34 | < gnolam> | A morte perpetua, |
| 21:34 | < gnolam> | Domine libera nos. |
| 21:34 | <@jerith> | Amen. |
| 21:35 | | mode/#code [+o gnolam] by jerith |
| 21:44 | < ToxicFrog> | Nthing the recommendation for A Canticle for Leibowitz |
| 21:44 | | mode/#code [+oooooooooooo aoanla froztbyte kazrikna Namegduf Orthia PinkFreud Rhamphoryncus Syloqs-AFH Tarinaky Thaqui ToxicFrog Vornicus-Latens] by jerith |
| 21:44 | <@Tarinaky> | Woah. Operator status? |
| 21:44 | | * Tarinaky 's head swells with power. |
| 21:45 | | * jerith counts seven people in here who make chanops look tiny and pathetic. |
| 21:46 | | mode/#code [+o AnnoDomini] by jerith |
| 21:46 | <@jerith> | An armed society is a polite society. |
| 21:47 | <@jerith> | I had to carefully remove froztbyte from that list twice, because this isn't that network. |
| 21:48 | <@Derakon> | Okay, so. |
| 21:48 | <@Derakon> | You know how the normal-size DVI port looks like a grid of dots with one dash on one side? |
| 21:48 | <@jerith> | That's DVI-D. |
| 21:48 | <@Derakon> | Ah? |
| 21:48 | <@Derakon> | What's the alternative? I might have found that. |
| 21:48 | <@Derakon> | Looks like a DVI port except that it's only dots, with one missing dot near one of the ends. |
| 21:49 | <@Derakon> | (And not trapezoidal like a serial port) |
| 21:49 | <@jerith> | The D is digital. There's DVI-A, which is Analogue. I think that's basically VGA in a different shape. |
| 21:49 | <@jerith> | DVI-I is both, and that has a plus where DVI-D has the minus. |
| 21:50 | <@Derakon> | Okay. |
| 21:50 | <@Derakon> | Hm, Google image search doesn't match these. Weird. |
| 21:53 | <@jerith> | There are variants of DVI with different magics, though. |
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| 22:16 | | * ToxicFrog finishes his preliminary automarker. Oh dear. |
| 22:17 | <@Derakon> | Paintball? |
| 22:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | A depressingly large number of people either (a) didn't read the spec, causing diff to report differences in the output even though their program core is working correctly, or (b) produced no greppable output at all, which means either they really didn't read the spec or, more likely, their program crashed. |
| 22:18 | <@Derakon> | Oh, grading. |
| 22:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes. |
| 22:18 | <@Derakon> | Yeah, it's always a bit depressing when you discover just how many of your students got bad grades. |
| 22:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh god. This guy completely ignored the output spec. COMPLETELY. |
| 22:19 | <@Derakon> | Even if you knew going in that they were struggling / hadn't attended class / were re-taking the class for the fourth time / etc. |
| 22:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Output is meant to look like: $specfile testfile (x,y,t) |
| 22:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Where specfile and testfile are basename, not full paths. |
| 22:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Some people screwed up by making it "$ specfile", or "(x, y, t)", which at least shows that they had the right idea, they just skimmed the section on output format. |
| 22:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | This guy says "matched <full path to specfile> in <full path to testfile> at (x,y,t)" |
| 22:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | And then another line after that without the words "matched", "in", or "at", but otherwise identical. |
| 22:22 | <@Derakon> | One of my first assignments in my intro CS course, we had a test suite that printed out things like "Yep!" "Sure!" "Matched!" and so on for various tests. |
| 22:22 | <@Derakon> | I replaced those strings with descriptive output, and then wondered why I was failing the tests... |
| 22:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | So he produces twice as much output as he should and all of it is formatted completely wrong :eng99: |
| 22:22 | <@Derakon> | Fortunately I was able to find that out before final submission, thanks to an automated test system. |
| 22:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, in this case I am the marking system, any automation is my concern. |
| 22:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | I am, however, permitted (and required!) to dock marks for failure to correctly implement the spec as written. |
| 22:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | Including output format. |
| 22:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | So, I will do so, then update the code to have the correct format and re-run it. |
| 22:26 | <@Namegduf> | The only time I had a project like that, it was explicitly done as a "to be compatible with an existing program" thing. |
| 22:26 | <@Namegduf> | With a great deal of emphasis on compatbility, and we knew there would be an automated test. |
| 22:26 | <@Namegduf> | Nowhere else did they specify/enforce specification on output. |
| 22:27 | <@Namegduf> | That was a fun one, though, just because it used and tested for a fixed RNG seed, and I ended up decompiling it to get it. |
| 22:27 | <@Namegduf> | Er, disassembling it. |
| 22:28 | <@Derakon> | We had a genetic programming assignment where we were required to use the RNG the minimal number of times to get exactly the right answers (we were approximating square roots, as I recall). |
| 22:28 | <@Namegduf> | What was most fun about it was that they didn't tell us how the RNG worked. |
| 22:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | Namegduf: these are fourth-year and grad students. They are given pretty much free reign in code organization, language choice, etc. |
| 22:29 | <@Namegduf> | Ah, wow. |
| 22:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | However, your implementation must adhere to the specification, including the parts on output if any. |
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| 22:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | I do not care if it's one file or several, I do not care what build system you use under the hood or what language. However, any of these will cost you marks, and rightly so: |
| 22:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | (1) 'make' failing. You want to use another build system? Fine, including a two-line makefile that invokes it. |
| 22:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | (2) Failure to accept the command line as specified. If you use something other than '-b' to mean load balancing, for example, I don't care if your README mentions this - you clearly did not bother to read the assignment description. |
| 22:31 | <@Namegduf> | Yeah, I didn't expect fourth year students to make that mistake. |
| 22:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | (3) Failure to output as specified. This is particularly vexing because MPI produces a shitload of additional output and one of the reasons the output specification is so specific is so that we can easily separate the output of your program from the output of the sharcnet queueing system and the output of the MPI runtime. |
| 22:33 | <@Derakon> | Hence the leading $? |
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| 22:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes. |
| 22:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | MPI and sharcnet will never output stuff with a leading $. |
| 23:06 | < EvilDarkLord> | What's that word for a legitimate reason to go to war? |
| 23:07 | < EvilDarkLord> | Ah yes. Casus belli. Thank you. |
| 23:07 | <@Derakon> | Excuse. |
| 23:08 | <@Namegduf> | Terrorism. |
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| 23:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Sigh. |
| 23:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Done rebuilding everything. |
| 23:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | The good news is that all of it builds. |
| 23:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | The bad news is that one of it only builds if you invoke the wrong makefile in a nonstandard way, one builds and then automatically runs the program with the wrong arguments (which then segfaults) and one needed a bit of makefile editing. |
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