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| 00:02 | < Tarinaky> | Eeexcept the numbers don't work. Brilliant. |
| 00:02 | < Anno[Laptop]> | Brillant. |
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| 00:13 | < Tarinaky> | Ahah! I found my missing quarter! |
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| 00:16 | < Tarinaky> | So... It sortof works but there's a fudge factor that shouldn't really be there :/ |
| 00:16 | < Tarinaky> | Bah. |
| 00:19 | < Tarinaky> | Night. |
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| 02:27 | <@Vornicus> | Kaura! |
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| 02:31 | < Kaura> | Vorn: Haven't made any progress since last night, sorry. Still working on sending stuff out. |
| 02:32 | <@Vornicus> | No worries. I didn't expect you to be able to do it without help. |
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| 05:23 | < Bobsentme> | Be there any Xcode coders here? |
| 05:23 | | * Bobsentme is searching for references, or any helpful sites regarding iPad development. |
| 05:24 | < Bobsentme> | Trying to build a simple gui for school. |
| 05:26 | <@McMartin> | Don't you use IB for that, not XCode per se? |
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| 05:32 | < Bobsentme> | I'm not sure, actually. |
| 05:33 | < Bobsentme> | Never coded for anything Mac related. |
| 05:34 | <@Vornicus> | Intrface Builder is for building the interface, it works like QT Designer or what-have-you. |
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| 05:35 | < Bobsentme> | Ah. |
| 05:36 | < Bobsentme> | Well, we're using the apple development kit, which has the gui builder in it. I'm just not finding much in the way of tutorials. |
| 05:47 | < Bobsentme> | and after some more googling, I think I'm in over my head. Nevermind. |
| 05:48 | <@McMartin> | Yeah, programming GUI in general isn't easy and doing so for embedded is Lots Of Extra Pain |
| 05:59 | | * Bobsentme nods |
| 06:00 | < Bobsentme> | Never really built a GUI app before. I've tried to stay away from them in all walks of programming. |
| 06:01 | <@Vornicus> | honestly right now the nicest GUI system out there is html+javascript. |
| 06:10 | < Bobsentme> | Which I posed as an option, but was informed they'd rather have an app. |
| 06:10 | < Bobsentme> | All the app has to do is navigate a couple of directories on the iPad and open files. That's it. |
| 06:11 | < Bobsentme> | well, list, then provide a link to open the files. |
| 06:11 | < Bobsentme> | (Have I mentioned I am dealing with silly, silly people on this project?) |
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| 11:31 | < Tarinaky> | Morning all. |
| 11:39 | < Tarinaky> | I think I found the source of my rogue fudge factor. |
| 11:39 | < Tarinaky> | But I'm not sure how to eradicate it without breaking something else :/ |
| 11:40 | <@TheWatcher> | Refactor Mercilessly? |
| 11:41 | < Tarinaky> | That's not the problem. |
| 11:41 | < Tarinaky> | Let me show you... |
| 11:42 | < Tarinaky> | http://i53.tinypic.com/k9hzic.png << I've got them to line up. |
| 11:42 | < Tarinaky> | The problem is now in hexagon.py |
| 11:43 | < Tarinaky> | Basically, the very edge is -just- out of bounds of the texture. |
| 11:43 | < Tarinaky> | And I'm not sure how to 'fudge' it back in without breaking the tessilation. |
| 11:46 | < Tarinaky> | Is it possible to do something like 'Vertices = [if a == Size[0] then a-1 for (a,b) in Vertices]' ? |
| 11:46 | < Tarinaky> | IDK :/ |
| 11:47 | < Tarinaky> | Nm. |
| 11:47 | < Tarinaky> | I think I spotted my fix. |
| 11:49 | < Tarinaky> | Bingo. |
| 11:51 | < Tarinaky> | http://i54.tinypic.com/2qd7fyd.png |
| 11:52 | <@TheWatcher> | Wewt! |
| 11:52 | <@TheWatcher> | 'grats |
| 11:53 | < Tarinaky> | I had to make hexagon.py allocate a larger surface. |
| 11:54 | < Tarinaky> | Although bizarrely it has to be 3 pixels larger rather than 2 - which I don't quite 'get'. |
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| 12:07 | < Tarinaky> | So, lunch. Then I can start thinking about Picking. |
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| 13:09 | < Tarinaky> | Okay. So. Pixel collision: |
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| 13:09 | < Tarinaky> | First I check to see if the point is in a bounding box. |
| 13:11 | < Tarinaky> | If it is: I get the pixel-value at that point on a mask with the same shape. |
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| 13:12 | < Tarinaky> | Do I understand this correctly? |
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| 13:49 | < Tarinaky> | http://i56.tinypic.com/2193nyf.png |
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| 14:37 | | * gnolam ponders efficient particle systems. |
| 14:37 | < gnolam> | Specifically: is it worth it to frustum cull particles? |
| 14:39 | < Orthia> | derwhut |
| 14:47 | < gnolam> | The frustum is a small furry animal in the rodent family. Once a year in areas where the frustum lives, villages gather for a "frustum cull" where (traditionally) the men of the village stand in a line with their spiked frustum clubs while the women try to drive the herds of frustum towards them with loud noises. |
| 14:56 | < Namegduf> | Sounds like a slow algorithm if you used it at the wrong time of year. |
| 14:57 | < Namegduf> | Have to wait until the next one. |
| 14:57 | < Tarinaky> | o.o |
| 14:57 | < Tarinaky> | I can't tell who's being serious and who's being sarky. |
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| 15:12 | < Tarinaky> | Hmm. :/ This isn't, quite, working properly. |
| 15:17 | < Tarinaky> | Oh wait. Derp. |
| 15:18 | < gnolam> | A frustum is a volume created by truncating a solid (usually a pyramid or a cone) between two parallel planes. |
| 15:18 | < gnolam> | In 3D graphics, the viewing volume (the stuff that's in camera) is a frustum. |
| 15:20 | < Tarinaky> | Oh derp. I've figured out what I was doing wrong. |
| 15:20 | < gnolam> | So when frustum culling, you use reasonably inexpensive sphere-plane tests to cull objects that could not have any part within the current viewing volume. |
| 15:22 | < Tarinaky> | http://i52.tinypic.com/5nlnr8.png << Yay, got my bounding box working. |
| 15:27 | < Tarinaky> | Awesome. |
| 15:28 | < Tarinaky> | Picking works aside from the fact that there's a -very- small area where two hexes overlap. |
| 15:33 | < Tarinaky> | Done! It works. ^^ |
| 15:50 | < Tarinaky> | So. Now what :/ |
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| 16:28 | | * ToxicFrog glares at GTK |
| 16:31 | < TarinakyKai> | Hey TF. |
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| 16:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hey, Tarinaky. |
| 16:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | And Anno. |
| 16:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | And TW. |
| 16:53 | < Anno[Laptop]> | Hello. |
| 17:22 | < TarinakyKai> | I dunno really what to do now :/ |
| 17:22 | < TarinakyKai> | I've gotten picking working and stuff >.< |
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| 17:30 | <@TheWatcher> | TarinakyKai: battle isle clone! |
| 17:30 | < TarinakyKai> | I don't know Battle Isle :/ |
| 17:31 | < gnolam> | Panzer General! |
| 17:31 | < gnolam> | Attack Vector: Tactical! |
| 17:31 | <@TheWatcher> | Go forth and educate thyself! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Isle_(series) |
| 17:34 | < TarinakyKai> | I meant more in a "what's the next step/thing I should be doing" way though. |
| 17:34 | < TarinakyKai> | Than a goal :/ |
| 17:34 | <@TheWatcher> | I suggest having a goal and working towards it, otherwise you'll find yourself directionless |
| 17:35 | <@TheWatcher> | But if you want something |
| 17:35 | <@TheWatcher> | map scrolling |
| 17:42 | < TarinakyKai> | Nah. I've done map scrolling before. It's boring :/ |
| 17:42 | < TarinakyKai> | And frequently difficult to test >.< |
| 17:44 | | * TheWatcher blink |
| 17:48 | | * TarinakyKai blinks back at TheWatcher. |
| 17:51 | < gnolam> | ... difficult to test? |
| 17:54 | < TarinakyKai> | Well, intensively. |
| 17:54 | < TarinakyKai> | Although sometimes you have issues where one block of pattern looks exactly the same as the rest of the pattern. |
| 17:54 | < TarinakyKai> | So you've no idea if it's actually working or if you've got a very Fun bug. |
| 18:01 | <@TheWatcher> | so you stick the grid coord as text in the middle of each hex |
| 18:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ideally, map scrolling should be one line to set the TM~ |
| 18:09 | < TarinakyKai> | TM? |
| 18:14 | | Anno[Laptop] is now known as ST |
| 18:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Transformation matrix. |
| 18:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | To expand on this - a lot of drawing systems permit you to set a scale/rotation/offset that's applied to all drawing operations. |
| 18:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | My current project features a scrollable, zoomable field; this is just a matter of setting the translation/scale values before drawing the contents of the field. |
| 18:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | And then it draws normally. |
| 18:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or would if GTK's redrawing mechanism would stop fucking me about~ |
| 18:30 | < TarinakyKai> | Heh. |
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| 19:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | Fuck youuuuuuuuuuuuu, gtk |
| 19:14 | < TarinakyKai> | <gtk> Message received. *fap-fap-fap* |
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| 19:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...whoops, I'm an idiot |
| 19:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Forgot that I implemented client-server communication |
| 19:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Old event flow: |
| 19:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | - receive event |
| 19:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | - update world model |
| 19:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | - redraw |
| 19:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | New event flow: |
| 19:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | - receive event |
| 19:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | - message to server |
| 19:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | - redraw |
| 19:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | - reply from server |
| 19:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | - update world model |
| 19:40 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Heh |
| 19:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah. |
| 19:46 | | * ToxicFrog hacks in something that redraws automatically every 100ms |
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| 21:39 | < froztbyte> | you shouldn't ambush my mind like that |
| 21:39 | <@jerith> | Why not? |
| 21:39 | <@jerith> | Namespace collisions are fun. |
| 21:39 | < froztbyte> | haha |
| 21:40 | < froztbyte> | I'm going to guess /this/ Stalker isn't /that/ stalker ;) |
| 21:40 | < Stalker> | -.^ |
| 21:40 | <@jerith> | froztbyte: This Stalker is still here, isn't he? |
| 21:40 | < froztbyte> | jerith: well summarised |
| 21:41 | < froztbyte> | Stalker: let's just say your namesake is not deserving of the oxygen they use |
| 21:41 | <@jerith> | Oh, right. That's who Stalker is. :-) |
| 21:41 | <@jerith> | (This one, not that one.) |
| 21:41 | < froztbyte> | win 67 |
| 21:41 | | * froztbyte loses 67 |
| 21:41 | <@jerith> | No, 69 is the win. |
| 21:42 | <@jerith> | And you have even more windows than I do. |
| 21:42 | < froztbyte> | this one is 72 |
| 21:42 | < froztbyte> | I could probably kill 20 or so.. |
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| 21:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | Confusion |
| 21:50 | <@jerith> | No, Confusion just joined that other channel. |
| 21:50 | < TarinakyKai> | froztbyte: Is Win 67 somewhere between 3.1 and 95? |
| 21:51 | < froztbyte> | it's a dev build |
| 21:52 | < TarinakyKai> | I'm going to sleep. Later. |
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| 22:18 | < gnolam> | Huh. The Gmail non-HTTPS XSS attacks are still going strong, I see. |
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