| --- Log opened Wed Jul 14 00:00:52 2010 |
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| 10:25 | | * gnolam pokes IntelliSense. |
| 10:49 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
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| 12:31 | | * TheWatcher eyes this code |
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| 12:32 | | * code reaches out and grabs TheWatcher with a tentacle. |
| 12:32 | <@TheWatcher> | I think this needs a Refactoring Nuke, let alone anything else... |
| 12:32 | | code is now known as Tarinaky |
| 12:37 | < gnolam> | By coincident, I was just about to hop onto the refactor tractor myself. |
| 12:45 | < gnolam> | *coicidence |
| 12:45 | < gnolam> | *coincidence |
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| 14:14 | <@Vornicus> | god I hate UI design. Why do I have to be so picky about it. |
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| 14:38 | < gnolam> | ... in other news, the "Ignite" command in Source makes debugging so much more fun. |
| 14:38 | < gnolam> | *script debugging |
| 14:40 | < gnolam> | "Everyone's started bursting into flames. Yep, the trigger is definitely firing. It's the other end that's the problem." |
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| 15:43 | | * TheWatcher fingertappity, ponders whether to even try submitting these patches to the mediawiki devs |
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| 22:48 | < RichardBarrell> | Interestingly, bash doesn't give a flying toss how much output comes out of a the stdout of a backtick'd expression, it'll quite happily eat your entire swapfile and then carry on until it achieves victory (to whit: getting thwacked by the OOM killer). |
| 22:48 | < RichardBarrell> | This effectively makes ls `yes` a good quick stress test of your OS's VM policy. :) |
| 22:49 | <@AnnoDomini> | What does that command do? |
| 22:50 | <@Vornicus> | "yes" repeats "yes\n" over and over and over until terminated. |
| 22:50 | <@Vornicus> | Or any other phrase. |
| 22:50 | <@Vornicus> | But you use it to, for instance, auto-confirm a thing where it asks lots and lots of questions. |
| 22:52 | <@Vornicus> | On one occasion on my old computer, I literally hit 0 disk space trying to run photoshop. It continued working, though thrashular, and quitting Photoshop got my computer back to normal. |
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| 23:07 | <@Derakon> | Afternoon, folks. |
| 23:08 | <@AnnoDomini> | Mroing. |
| 23:08 | <@Derakon> | It can be hard to maintain a good code review policy when you're the only person working with the code and you just generated 5k lines of diffs. >.< |
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| 23:09 | < RichardB> | The default output from yes is 'y' rather than 'yes'. It's nominally for piping through crappy programs that ask "are you sure?" far too many times. |
| 23:10 | <@Derakon> | Yes, and? |
| 23:10 | < Namegduf> | Are you sure? |
| 23:10 | < RichardB> | Just being pedantic. Someone said it was 'yes' earlier. :) |
| 23:10 | < Namegduf> | Hehe. |
| 23:10 | < RichardB> | Namegduf: y |
| 23:10 | < RichardB> | Namegduf: y |
| 23:10 | < RichardB> | Namegduf: y |
| 23:11 | < RichardB> | Ad nauseum. :) |
| 23:11 | < PinkFreud> | /kill RichardB Broken pipe |
| 23:11 | < PinkFreud> | :P |
| 23:11 | < Namegduf> | That reminds me of the IRC client which exposed channels and such as files |
| 23:11 | < celticminstrel> | ...huh? |
| 23:11 | | * RichardB lives in daily fear of chaotic evil IRCops. |
| 23:11 | < Namegduf> | And you would pipe stuff into them to speak |
| 23:11 | < Namegduf> | And read from them to see stuff |
| 23:11 | < celticminstrel> | That sounds odd. |
| 23:11 | < RichardB> | Namegduf: icii I think? It's on suckless.org |
| 23:11 | < Namegduf> | And write IRC bots in BASH |
| 23:12 | < RichardB> | Correction, it's just called 'ii'. http://tools.suckless.org/ii/ |
| 23:12 | < Namegduf> | That sounds like it. |
| 23:12 | < PinkFreud> | RichardB: heh heh heh |
| 23:12 | < PinkFreud> | Namegduf: that's ... intriguing |
| 23:13 | < Namegduf> | It adheres to the UNIX philosophy! |
| 23:13 | | RichardB is now known as RichardBarrell |
| 23:14 | < PinkFreud> | hmmm. looking for an atheros or intel 802.11 a/b/g/n wireless card. trying to figure out which model to go for. |
| 23:20 | < RichardBarrell> | PinkFreud: FWIW, RealTeks have always worked nicely for me. |
| 23:20 | < Namegduf> | Go off the madwifi website |
| 23:21 | < Namegduf> | All the card manufacturers switch chipset between cards and even between revisions of cards wildly. |
| 23:21 | < Namegduf> | What was a great Atheros for someone else might turn out in the newer revisions to not even be an Atheros when you buy one. |
| 23:21 | < PinkFreud> | RichardBarrell: realtek wireless? |
| 23:22 | < Namegduf> | Pick one that has a well-supported chipset and you're gold. |
| 23:22 | < PinkFreud> | Namegduf: that's why I'm not looking for brand names. :) |
| 23:22 | < RichardBarrell> | Yes. I have an 8172 in this laptop. |
| 23:22 | < PinkFreud> | I'm scouring ebay for various mini-pciE wireless cards. |
| 23:22 | < Namegduf> | Ah. I just grabbed the first available one that supported the features I wanted and had no reported issues. |
| 23:22 | < PinkFreud> | heh. I've had issues with realtek in the past. no thanks. |
| 23:23 | < Namegduf> | And that worked as desired. |
| 23:23 | < Namegduf> | (Was setting up a wireless AP) |
| 23:23 | < RichardBarrell> | Apparently it's a relatively recent chip, and the native Linux driver for it is relatively new, though. |
| 23:23 | < RichardBarrell> | PinkFreud: aside from the 8169 being the lowest-end ethernet card ever made? :) |
| 23:23 | < PinkFreud> | Namegduf: ahh, interesting. which card did you wind up going with? |
| 23:23 | < Namegduf> | Hmm. |
| 23:24 | < PinkFreud> | RichardBarrell: yep. didja know they used to make a vga card as well? |
| 23:24 | < PinkFreud> | *years* ago. |
| 23:24 | < RichardBarrell> | No! Really? |
| 23:24 | < RichardBarrell> | Did it even succeed in displaying text? |
| 23:24 | < Namegduf> | Can't find the box, which means it's probably disposed of. |
| 23:24 | < Namegduf> | So... |
| 23:24 | < PinkFreud> | yep. first card I tried to get X running on, in fact. |
| 23:24 | | * Namegduf goes to get a screwdriver |
| 23:24 | < RichardBarrell> | Namegduf: lspci first. |
| 23:24 | < PinkFreud> | that was an experiment that did not go so well. |
| 23:24 | < Namegduf> | RichardBarrell: It's not live. |
| 23:24 | < RichardBarrell> | Never mind. |
| 23:25 | < Namegduf> | The box died a bit before Christmas. |
| 23:25 | < Namegduf> | Hasn't been in use since. |
| 23:25 | < PinkFreud> | RichardBarrell: text, yes. graphics were a challenge for it, though. :P |
| 23:26 | < PinkFreud> | Namegduf: do you remember which vendor made it? Atheros/Intel/...? |
| 23:28 | < Namegduf> | It's an Atheros chipset, but IIRC support is parial amongst even those. |
| 23:28 | < Namegduf> | Intel drivers do not support Master mode |
| 23:29 | < PinkFreud> | yeah, didn't think they did. |
| 23:29 | < PinkFreud> | for the moment, I only need the card as a client, but at some point I may decide to switch it into a master configuration |
| 23:29 | < Namegduf> | The card is a D-Link DWL-G520 |
| 23:29 | < Namegduf> | But it is not miniPCI |
| 23:30 | | * PinkFreud nods |
| 23:30 | < Namegduf> | That means an AR5212 chipset. |
| 23:30 | < Namegduf> | Since I just looke it up. |
| 23:30 | < PinkFreud> | I had to go for mini-pciE for this project. apparently, the only pci wifi card capable of doing a/b/g/n is made by ralink |
| 23:31 | < Namegduf> | One of the earlier revisions was Texas Instruments though, no joke. |
| 23:31 | < PinkFreud> | ralink has recently earned themselves a spot on my list of companies I will no longer do business with. |
| 23:31 | < Namegduf> | A1 was Atheros, A4 was Atheros, A3 was a TI chipset and not even Atheros. |
| 23:32 | < Namegduf> | So it's vaguely dangerous to go off ancedotes which aren't checked against whatever they're putting in the latest revisions. |
| 23:32 | < Namegduf> | (For whether a card is Atheros/works well) |
| 23:32 | < PinkFreud> | their support for the 2860 in linux is atrocious. not only do they not know how to write a driver for their own products, but their claim that they're helping rt2x00 write a replacement driver is complete bullshit. |
| 23:33 | < Namegduf> | Ah. |
| 23:33 | < Namegduf> | I rarely find myself using non-Intel stuff. |
| 23:33 | < PinkFreud> | Namegduf: they *broke wpa in their own driver* |
| 23:33 | < Namegduf> | Because I mostly use laptops. |
| 23:34 | < PinkFreud> | Namegduf: heh, yeah. in this case, the card is meant for a htpc, which is most definitely not a laptop. |
| 23:37 | < RichardBarrell> | Stupid question, but... |
| 23:38 | < RichardBarrell> | Laptop with a broken screen but with a HDMI output + a couple of big USB hard disks plugged into the side ~= a passable HTPC under most circumstances, no? |
| 23:38 | < Namegduf> | HTPC? |
| 23:38 | < PinkFreud> | home theater pc |
| 23:39 | < RichardBarrell> | I mean HTPCs are generally built entirely with laptop parts these days anyways. A laptop is just a HTPC with an extraneous battery, touchpad, mouse and keyboard. :) |
| 23:39 | < PinkFreud> | RichardBarrell: sure. a few issues here, though: 1. I lack such a laptop. 2. A new enough laptop, even with a dead lcd, can be pretty pricey. 3. Heat management. 4. I built a low-power quad core box last year for < $350 for just this purpose. :) |
| 23:40 | < RichardBarrell> | Really? I would have expected HTPCs to be *more* expensive because of the lower volume. |
| 23:41 | < PinkFreud> | RichardBarrell: depends on what you get. I did a custom build. |
| 23:41 | < RichardBarrell> | For a given spec, I mean. |
| 23:42 | < PinkFreud> | Asus mobo, low power AMD quad core cpu (on sale for ~$90 at the time), 4 GB memory, Antec NSK ultra-quiet desktop case (fits in my entertainment center), and cheap remote with usb receiver. |
| 23:42 | < PinkFreud> | already had drives from an earlier htpc build. |
| 23:42 | < RichardBarrell> | Last four laptops I've gotten to know lately were a Vaio, two Toshibas and a Fujitsu. None of those four had any real issue with heat management. |
| 23:43 | < PinkFreud> | RichardBarrell: try stuffing one in an entertainment center with limited airflow. |
| 23:44 | < RichardBarrell> | I've left at least the Toshi sat with its CPU at full pelt on top of a bed for an hour or so and not had it become problematic. |
| 23:44 | < RichardBarrell> | They make low-power quads? Also, did you put a nice video card in that or just use a very cheap one and let the CPU do everything? |
| 23:44 | < PinkFreud> | RichardBarrell: sure, that's on top of a bed where you have ample airflow. In an entertainment center, your airflow is in front and, depending on where it is, possibly some in the back. |
| 23:45 | < PinkFreud> | RichardBarrell: using the onboard Radeon HD. the gpu is more than enough to handle both video decoding and the 3d effects required by my htpc software of choice, xbmc |
| 23:46 | < PinkFreud> | no need to go for a high-end video card, which will both suck more power and generate much more heat. |
| 23:46 | < PinkFreud> | the fans in this chassis are quiet, too. my old PS2 makes more noise than the htpc. |
| 23:47 | < RichardBarrell> | By "nice" I meant something like a mobile GPU with its own RAM, rather than onboard. |
| 23:47 | < PinkFreud> | again, why bother? onboard is more than sufficient for this task. I'm not playing F.E.A.R. on the box. :) |
| 23:48 | < RichardBarrell> | PinkFreud: that's what I was asking you. Even the onboards do video decoding fast enough? |
| 23:48 | < PinkFreud> | yep |
| 23:48 | < RichardBarrell> | A bed's not particularly good airflow for a laptop whose fans point downward... |
| 23:49 | < PinkFreud> | the high end video cards tend to give you textures and rendering pipelines. even a basic gpu can handle video decoding. |
| 23:51 | < PinkFreud> | RichardBarrell: most laptops have the vents on the sides. |
| 23:51 | < Namegduf> | None of mine have their intakes on the side. |
| 23:52 | < PinkFreud> | ahh |
| 23:52 | < RichardBarrell> | Everyone puts their fans' outflow on the sides, with the intake underneath. |
| 23:54 | < PinkFreud> | in any case - moot point. I already have the htpc. I'll drop $50 on a replacement wifi card rather than a few hundred on a broken laptop. :) |
| 23:55 | < Namegduf> | I managed to bring a laptop of mine broken for two years back to life yesterday. |
| 23:55 | < Namegduf> | Turns out the power adaptor was broke, and the little mechanical thing it uses to detect whether the screen is closed was stuck. |
| 23:55 | < Namegduf> | The VRAM is still dying, though. |
| 23:55 | < PinkFreud> | Namegduf: guh |
| 23:56 | < Namegduf> | It's an Acer |
| 23:56 | < Namegduf> | Nothing that shouldn't have been expected |
| 23:56 | < Namegduf> | It got a CD drive, HDD, and keyboard replacement in its lifetime, too |
| 23:57 | < RichardBarrell> | PinkFreud: oh, sorry, I wasn't trying to bug you in a "do that instead" sense, just checking that that's a reasonable way to recycle beat-up laptops. :) |
| 23:57 | < PinkFreud> | RichardBarrell: oh, sure. I've done it before with an ancient Inspiron 7500. :) in this case, though, I decided I'd go for something that properly fits in my entertainment center, so I built this box :) |
| 23:58 | < Namegduf> | I need to figure out something to do with this one. |
| 23:58 | < Namegduf> | Right now it's just generating bitcoins- the only Progress Quest varient in which you receive small amounts of free money from libertarians. |
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