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| 00:22 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:27 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 00:38 | < Alek> | "When I was in college, we still used 5" diskettes. Now I slit them along the side and store CDs inside. Especially when someone asks you for the mega-important report and you pull out a 5" floppy." |
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| 00:49 | < gnolam> | celticminstrel: I don't know what's worse. That you IRC with graphical emoticons or that your client interprets :x as an "angry" smiley. ;) |
| 01:03 | < celticminstrel> | I like that it has graphical emotes, though its ^_^ emote is atrocious (it's sort of a complete anime head or something). |
| 01:03 | < celticminstrel> | As for :x being angry, it seems fairly standard on forums, at least. |
| 01:05 | < celticminstrel> | Though I would admit that, text-wise, it doesn't look very angry. |
| 01:05 | < celticminstrel> | >:( or even :| would seem more appropriate. |
| 01:06 | < celticminstrel> | (And apparently it interprets the former as the same emoticon, so I must be on the right track. :P ) |
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| --- Log opened Tue May 11 05:19:19 2010 |
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| 05:20 | | * Derakon mutters at gamedev.net, whose "Game Design" forum is perfectly willing to fanwank about MMO design rules, but can't give feedback on a simple map. |
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| 16:39 | | * gnolam WTFs. |
| 16:41 | < gnolam> | For some reason, my tone map buffer gets a non-1 alpha value. |
| 16:51 | | * gnolam thwaps himself. |
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| 17:10 | | * gnolam unthwaps himself. |
| 17:10 | < gnolam> | This is actually still a WTF. |
| 17:11 | < gnolam> | It blends itself... even though blending is disabled. |
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| 17:25 | < Namegduf> | Disabling blending won't stop the BlendTec Total Blender. |
| 17:32 | <@AnnoDomini> | Chuck Norris does not blend. |
| 17:33 | < Namegduf> | The iPad will, though/ |
| 17:36 | <@AnnoDomini> | It needs some bending to fit, though. |
| 17:37 | < Namegduf> | Well, sure, it's not very portable. |
| 17:39 | <@AnnoDomini> | Magnets were cool. |
| 18:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | Some days I really appreciate working here, especially after reading what people have to go through elsewhere. |
| 18:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | ME: "Hey, there's a bug in 'load upgrade' that causes it to react badly to changes in product category." |
| 18:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | COREOS: "Why is this a bug? It works correctly with category 1, and that's all we use with that codebase." |
| 18:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | ME: "Because it's inconsistent with how the rest of the system behaves, and could be a problem in the future if we base other product categories on that code." |
| 18:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | COREOS: "Good point. Bug accepted." |
| 18:02 | < celticminstrel> | Hehe. |
| 18:02 | < celticminstrel> | Is that Coreos, or CoreOS? |
| 18:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | CoreOS. |
| 18:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...although actually I think I filed this bug against AMI, now that I think about it. |
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| 19:26 | < gnolam> | Oh well. I'll have to ignore it for now. |
| 19:26 | < gnolam> | Now, let's try cranking things up to 11 instead. |
| 19:47 | < gnolam> | Yay! |
| 19:48 | | * gnolam is now extracting luminance values > 1.0 from his tone map buffer. |
| 19:50 | | * Rhamphoryncus has found a *good* use for reduce in python.. it does happen after all.. |
| 19:50 | < Rhamphoryncus> | value = reduce(lambda a,b: a.set_merge(b), values) |
| 19:52 | < celticminstrel> | So, that'll merge any number of sets? |
| 19:52 | < Rhamphoryncus> | right |
| 19:53 | < celticminstrel> | I tend to forget about all those kinds of handy functions. |
| 19:53 | < Rhamphoryncus> | That's because they're usually not handy ;) |
| 19:53 | < celticminstrel> | Sure they are. |
| 19:54 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Not in python |
| 19:54 | < celticminstrel> | In some situations they can turn a loop into a single function call. |
| 19:54 | < celticminstrel> | Well, I can't speak for Python specifically. I'm talking generally here. |
| 19:56 | < Rhamphoryncus> | This was an example that took 5 or 6 lines. It was worse because I couldn't give values a natural default before the loop, so I had to use None and check for it |
| 19:56 | < Rhamphoryncus> | couldn't give value* |
| 19:59 | < Rhamphoryncus> | hrm. If I use an iterator and manually call next() to get the default then that drops the size significantly, from 7 lines (including an assertion about said None) to just 4 lines |
| 20:00 | < Rhamphoryncus> | The reduce is 1 line, but it's 50 characters. That 4-liner is 96 |
| 20:02 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Or if I use slicing (values is a list created in that function) it's 3 lines and 63 characters |
| 20:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | Don't play code golf; instead ask yourself which is most readable. |
| 20:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Also - what's the distinction between reduce and fold? |
| 20:13 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I went with the 3-line version because I think it's the most readable. I had to get the character count close before it was though |
| 20:13 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I don't think python has a fold |
| 20:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 20:18 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Now I'm trying to figure out how to clean up my repr(). It's just a weeeeeeeeee bit verbose |
| 20:18 | < Rhamphoryncus> | SequenceValues([Values({'int': IntValues(7, 7)}), Values({'int': IntValues(11, 11)}), Values({'int': IntValues(3, 3)})]) |
| 20:19 | < Rhamphoryncus> | All that example's really saying is [7, 11, 3] :/ |
| 20:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | o.O |
| 20:21 | < Rhamphoryncus> | exactly |
| 20:22 | < Rhamphoryncus> | But I'm evaluating the possible ranges of each variable/object, so those ints are actually intervals and potentially have other types than just int |
| 20:22 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | I didn't think there /was/ a difference between reduce and fold. |
| 20:22 | < Rhamphoryncus> | SequenceValues has other arguments depending on what it's doing |
| 20:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vornicus-Latens: yeah, but I couldn't figure out why python would have both |
| 20:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | Turns out it doesn't, so that answers the question |
| 20:24 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | it doesn't have a start-from-the-right reduce, but you can do that with reversed |
| 20:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | Right. |
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| 20:26 | < Rhamphoryncus> | hrm. I can't imagine need to "reduce" something from the right, but I could imagine doing so to apply a traversal path |
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| 20:45 | <@McMartin> | rfold is the Easy One. |
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| 21:00 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | I once needed a binary merge |
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| 21:02 | <@Vornicus> | -- er, binary fold. |
| 21:02 | <@Vornicus> | because each step made the thing in question longer, and the complexity of the fold operation depended on the length of the longer thing. |
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| 21:06 | <@McMartin> | Tree fold operations: |
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| 21:06 | <@McMartin> | - compiling code |
| 21:06 | <@McMartin> | I guess I should label that "common tree fold operations" |
| 21:07 | <@McMartin> | tree flatteners are kind of folds too. |
| 21:10 | <@Vornicus> | Well, that's a tree fold. This was explicitly "take an array 2 by 2" |
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| 21:47 | <@McMartin> | Aha |
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| 21:55 | <@Vornicus> | (repeatedly) |
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| 22:11 | <@Derakon> | Hrm...in the process of changing this menu setup from being a bunch of repeated code to being driven by a dict, I've added some 70 lines of code overall. |
| 22:11 | <@Derakon> | But it's cleaner! |
| 22:12 | <@Derakon> | And 52 of those lines just have curly braces anyway. |
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| 22:17 | <@Derakon> | ...Aquaria, Gish, and Penumbra are getting open-sourced, thanks to the humble bundle reaching $1 million. O_o |
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| 22:33 | < Rhamphoryncus> | hrm. I could make __init__ swap out the class to Int with a simplified repr, doubling as a factory function... OR I could just have Int be a factory function and have __repr__ print out the factory rather than the real class |
| 22:34 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Derakon: They actually hit a million? I only got a link to them a couple hours ago |
| 22:34 | <@Derakon> | Apparently! |
| 22:34 | <@Derakon> | http://www.wolfire.com/humble |
| 22:35 | < Rhamphoryncus> | huh. Cool |
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| 22:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It'd be even more awesome if they could make that a sustainable model. Reach a certain number of sales and open the game |
| 22:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I'd even be okay with distros like ubuntu integrating tools for buying such games |
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| 23:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | Rhamphoryncus: there was some distro that had something like that - entries in the package manager for payware |
| 23:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | Don't reember which one, though |
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