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| 00:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | Fuck yes: http://pastebin.ca/1504985 |
| 00:01 | <@TheWatcher> | ... that's what I think it is, isn't it? |
| 00:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes. |
| 00:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | It is. |
| 00:01 | <@TheWatcher> | Awesome :) |
| 00:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's not as pretty as the old shockmap output, but the code is much cleaner and is based on a general library for manipulating System Shock maps. |
| 00:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | Next for the library is object lists, and next for the program is postscript output. |
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| 06:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok. |
| 06:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | I need a syntax for specifying bitfield (un)packs in my struct library. |
| 06:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | They need to convey the toplevel data type, and all the contents. |
| 06:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Something like u2[U6 U5 U5] for a uint16_t containing three ints packed as 6,5,5 bits, say. |
| 06:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Only less ugly |
| 06:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Note that ({*:.}) are already reserved characters. |
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| 06:46 | <@Vornicus> | ( and {, or is that a grouper. |
| 06:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | () is grouping and {} is packing. |
| 06:52 | <@Vornicus> | So ( and { are both reserved. |
| 06:52 | <@Vornicus> | (I was wondering at quoting) |
| 06:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | I did say. |
| 06:53 | <@Vornicus> | Now, as in I thought (blarg) meant that b, l, a, r, and g were reserved. |
| 06:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
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| 10:15 | | * OperatorAbu mumbles at Verilog. |
| 10:17 | < OperatorAbu> | I have something like "outsignal <= (one + two + three + four)>48;" It seems to be an inline comparison, with the output being written to the outsignal. |
| 10:17 | < OperatorAbu> | But it behaves strangely. |
| 10:18 | < OperatorAbu> | It's 1 when the sum is >48, yes, but it also flickers a lot when signals change. |
| 10:33 | < OperatorAbu> | I take that back. The Verilog implementation works right. My VHDL translation worked wrong, since I assumed, stupidly, that with all the damned arithmetic libraries I reflexively include, it could parse bit vector addition as, well, the addition of numbers. |
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| 11:03 | < OperatorAbu> | If there's something I hate, is how VHDL handles comparisons. |
| 11:04 | < OperatorAbu> | Generally, the only thing you can trust it to do right is to tell whether a single bit is 1 or 0. |
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| 11:05 | < OperatorAbu> | It should say something about this that I'm using Sherlock Holmes' adage to find where the problems lie. |
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| 11:34 | <@gnolam> | Well, it's not a programming language, it's a HDL. |
| 11:36 | <@gnolam> | My main gripe with VHDL is its inconsistency. |
| 11:38 | <@gnolam> | Different elements have different /syntax/, FFS. |
| 11:45 | < OperatorAbu> | FINALLY. I've been looking for this bug for months, and only now my third randomly-generated simulation actually shows that it EXISTS. |
| 11:47 | < OperatorAbu> | Also, what do you mean it's not a programming language? |
| 11:47 | | * OperatorAbu is clueless, would like to know. |
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| 20:53 | <@McMartin> | Philosophical question regarding early question: I'm assuming that the bar we're using here is that something needs to be Turing-complete to be "a real programming language". |
| 20:54 | <@McMartin> | ... should it have to be intentionally Turing-Complete? Should sendmail.conf count? |
| 20:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | It does but it shouldn't~ |
| 20:55 | <@McMartin> | Lots of intentional ones (Hi, M4) do but shouldn't even if you require intentionality~ |
| 20:56 | < AnnoDomini> | TC is 'can write self in it'? |
| 20:57 | <@McMartin> | TC is "can compute any of a large class of mathematical functions called 'Turing-Decidable'" |
| 20:57 | <@McMartin> | Which happens to be equivalent to every program we know how to specify formally in any system. |
| 20:57 | <@McMartin> | So yes, TC includes "can write self in it" but it's theoretically conceivable to come up with a language that could write itself but not be that general. |
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| 22:50 | <@gnolam> | Actually, for me it's just that HDLs are just that: hardware description languages. You're not writing code. You're specifying hardware. Try to write VHDL like C and the end result, if it fits at all into the PLD/FPGA, will be shite. |
| 22:50 | <@gnolam> | ... and he's already left. Crap. |
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