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| 02:37 | < Shoukanjuu> | I didn't play Star Ocean 2...So when I got the remake+port of Star Ocean, and heard that the battle system was from SO2, or rather, more SO2-like |
| 02:38 | < Shoukanjuu> | I thought something might be wrong...However, it doesnt' seem to be bnearly as bad as I thought. Moving without targeting is a lot easier |
| 02:38 | < Shoukanjuu> | The voice acting though. Please help me poke my eardrums out. |
| 02:49 | < Shoukanjuu> | There is noticeable slowdown; my guess it that it was meant to be played on the hardware-superior PSP 2000, not the one I have :/ |
| 02:49 | < Shoukanjuu> | With cwcheat not working, I need to find a save point...somewhere |
| 02:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | cwcheat? |
| 02:55 | < Shoukanjuu> | It's a utility plugin |
| 02:55 | < Shoukanjuu> | works with m33 CFW |
| 02:56 | < Shoukanjuu> | it's main use is to provide you with things to find cheats and apply cheats in game |
| 02:56 | < Shoukanjuu> | its* |
| 02:56 | < Shoukanjuu> | But it also has some other abilities |
| 02:57 | < Shoukanjuu> | Like changing the clock and bus speed |
| 03:00 | < Shoukanjuu> | With the newest custom firmware update, cwcheat no longer works |
| 03:00 | < Shoukanjuu> | so I had to do it out of game |
| 03:01 | < Shoukanjuu> | I think I preferred the old Star Ocean's thing...there wasn't a world map that I remember, see. It was like, say...legend of zelda |
| 03:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 03:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm still using 3.80 M33-4, IIRC |
| 03:05 | < Shoukanjuu> | I don't remember Milly being this fragile. |
| 03:06 | < Shoukanjuu> | Yeah, I was using that...broke out and dusted off my PSP XD |
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| 03:11 | < Shoukanjuu> | Iria and Ronixis :3 |
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| 03:11 | < Shoukanjuu> | Ilia and Ronyx. Works for me. |
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| 07:41 | | * Vash pokes Shoukanjuu a bit |
| 07:41 | | * Vash flees and hides behind a box |
| 07:41 | | * Vash takes a peek |
| 07:41 | < Vash> | Hm... Probably not there. |
| 07:44 | < Shoukanjuu> | Heya. |
| 07:44 | < Vash> | ... |
| 07:44 | < Vash> | Whoa. |
| 07:44 | < Vash> | You're awake... |
| 07:44 | < Vash> | WEren't you gonna go to sleep earlier? |
| 07:45 | < Shoukanjuu> | It's more like staying up later to go to sleep...I can't stay up all day all at once. |
| 07:46 | | * Vash laughs |
| 07:46 | | * Vash pats |
| 07:46 | < Shoukanjuu> | ^^;; |
| 07:46 | | * Vash yawns a bit |
| 07:47 | < Shoukanjuu> | Hmmm...That's odd. I made an experience cheat for this game and it works at random intervals |
| 07:47 | < Vash> | I'm half bored now. I forgot what I was gonna do... |
| 07:47 | < Vash> | o.O |
| 07:47 | < Vash> | What game? |
| 07:48 | < Shoukanjuu> | Star Ocean remake |
| 07:48 | < Shoukanjuu> | I got cwcheat to work again, then used the tools in it to catch RAM information when stuff changes |
| 07:48 | < Vash> | o.o |
| 07:50 | < Shoukanjuu> | Oh, it's already been done. |
| 07:50 | < Shoukanjuu> | It's like these people get the leaks of the game JUST to make cheats for them. |
| 07:50 | < Vash> | Heh. |
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| 07:50 | < Vash> | I rarely use cheats. |
| 07:51 | < Vash> | I guess I'm just too damned lazy. That and the game is fun as it is. |
| 07:51 | | * Vash at one point, replayed OoT for about a freaking year straight. Of course, not non-stop. But she DID played the game almost every day. |
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| 07:52 | < Vash> | ... I'm -still- not tired of it. |
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| 07:52 | < Vash> | I just don't play it often. |
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| 07:54 | < Shoukanjuu> | Mm. |
| 07:54 | < Vash> | Stupid work getting in my gaming and computer/net time... Geez. =P |
| 07:54 | | * Vash laughs |
| 07:55 | < Vash> | Aw crap... |
| 07:55 | < Vash> | ... I hate it when these red small dots appear on my hand. |
| 07:55 | | * Vash goes get lotion |
| 07:55 | < Shoukanjuu> | o.o? |
| 07:55 | < Vash> | I guessI wash my hands too much at work or something. |
| 07:57 | < Shoukanjuu> | Hmm, how odd. That doesn't work either...perhaps it's just not going to work right :/ |
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| 09:19 | < Shoukanjuu> | I see... o.o DMA ;_; |
| 09:20 | < Shoukanjuu> | So more or less this stuff is just going to work once per probably...save or maybe battle |
| 09:20 | < Shoukanjuu> | Hmm... |
| 09:20 | < Vash> | sucksors. |
| 09:21 | < Shoukanjuu> | Well, that means I have to make a code every time I want it to work |
| 09:22 | < Shoukanjuu> | And it would rarely work for anyone else, because the address we mess with keeps changing |
| 09:23 | < Vash> | Eww. |
| 09:23 | < Shoukanjuu> | This is going to be fun. |
| 09:24 | < Vash> | o.o |
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| 13:41 | <@AnnoDomini> | Anyone here know SciLab well enough to tell me how the hell I can work with user-inputted filepaths? |
| 13:49 | <@gnolam> | How do you mean? |
| 13:50 | <@AnnoDomini> | I want to put the path to a file in a variable, and then use that variable as an argument for functions like fileinfo and imread. |
| 13:52 | <@gnolam> | String concatenation is just +. |
| 13:53 | <@gnolam> | So path + filename. |
| 13:53 | <@gnolam> | Wait. |
| 13:53 | | * gnolam reads the problem again. |
| 13:53 | <@gnolam> | Just... pass the variable? |
| 13:53 | <@gnolam> | I do not understand. |
| 13:54 | <@AnnoDomini> | There is some weird problem that crashes SciLab. I'll run it again and tell you what it looks like. |
| 13:56 | <@AnnoDomini> | I have my var=input('whatever') and when I type in "C:\ob.jpg" I get "undefined variable : c" and the prompt to enter again, it appears. |
| 14:01 | <@AnnoDomini> | Is there any way to get the location where the script I'm loading into SciLab is located? |
| 14:01 | <@gnolam> | Add the , "string" argument to input. Otherwise, it'll try to evaluate what you input. |
| 14:02 | <@gnolam> | E.g. foo = input("FEED ME A STRAY CAT", "string"); |
| 14:03 | <@AnnoDomini> | Thanks! How about that script directory? |
| 14:04 | <@gnolam> | That I do not know. |
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| 14:20 | <@AnnoDomini> | Success! |
| 14:20 | <@AnnoDomini> | I have successfully altered contrast in an image. |
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| 14:22 | < Shoukanjuu> | I was feeling somewhat intelligent because I understood what you were talking about. |
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| 15:25 | <@AnnoDomini> | Yeeees. This is adequate. |
| 15:25 | <@AnnoDomini> | I've found the bug in the program that made the images change colours. |
| 15:36 | <@AnnoDomini> | Mumble. |
| 15:36 | <@AnnoDomini> | gnolam: Know why it would be throwing me access violation errors? |
| 15:39 | <@gnolam> | Nope. |
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| 15:42 | <@AnnoDomini> | It seems to throw them only when I use lowercase for the drive letter. |
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| 20:36 | <@Vornicus> | ...heh. The more I think about it, the more sensible the "things-are-on-the-world-map" thing seems. |
| 20:57 | <@McMartin> | Hm? |
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| 21:20 | <@Vornicus> | King's bounty stores certain things on the world map and nowhere else: generic treasures, and artifacts (which have their own world map art). |
| 21:22 | <@Vornicus> | And then other things - dwellings, monsters - also get stored on the world map. |
| 21:22 | <@Vornicus> | Ostensibly this is for rendering: The rendering loop only has to examine the world map and maybe one other thing (boat location) to determine what to draw. |
| 21:23 | <@Vornicus> | But now that I think about it, there are other advantages - you only have to check one place for collisions. |
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| 21:26 | <@Vornicus> | If you don't store this data on the world map, you need to iterate over the entity list to find the collision data you need; you can't land /on/ monsters or treasures or dwellings, and monsters can't walk through other monsters/treasures/dwellings. |
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| 21:27 | <@Vornicus> | on the other hand, I see a flexibility failure here: it also means you can't make flying or sailing enemies (because there's 13 water tiles and you'd have to keep track of which one is which, and even more tiles in general...). |
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| 21:32 | <@Vornicus> | On the /third/ hand, I see a value in storing world map in the save file: it means I can have mods that change the world map. Not that this worked in a sensible fashion for KB, but it was possible. |
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| 21:33 | <@Vornicus> | And anyway it's just 16kB; in modern terms this is practically nothing. |
| 21:35 | <@Vornicus> | So, really, I should not have ragged on the KB designers - their design decision was sensible. |
| 21:35 | <@Vornicus> | (I will make a different one, because I want a certain kind of flexibility that they do not have... but I now understand their decision.) |
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| 21:41 | <@McMartin> | Does this mean your reverse engineering is complete? |
| 21:42 | <@Vornicus> | Of the save file, yes. |
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| 21:43 | <@Vornicus> | The only things missing are a few odd magic numbers that don't have anything to do with what I'm working on, and decrypting the scepter location, which I'm not even going to try. |
| 21:44 | <@Vornicus> | I know how the scepter is placed - it can go anywhere that starts with 00. |
| 21:44 | <@Vornicus> | er |
| 21:44 | <@Vornicus> | anywhere on the world map where there's a 00. Which is to say, any open path. |
| 21:44 | <@McMartin> | On that note, why did you need to decrypt the save file to begin with? As opposed to, say, the resource files. |
| 21:46 | <@Vornicus> | i needed to reverse engineer the save file because I need to know the distribution of things post-worldgen, and the two options there are REing the save file or finding the right piece of code to disassemble. |
| 21:46 | <@McMartin> | Aha. |
| 21:47 | <@Vornicus> | Having no disassembly experience and plenty of hex-editor chops, the choice was obvious. |
| 21:48 | <@AnnoDomini> | Chop chop. |
| 21:57 | <@Vornicus> | This said, I have now discovered that there are several things I need to do that can't run from static analysis of save files: I can't determine the distribution of regular treasures (because that is chosen randomly at treasure pickup time), and I can't determine the distribution of friendly armies (for the same reason) |
| 22:00 | <@Vornicus> | And then once that is done I have exactly one thing that I need to figure out or guess: when Demons use their Half power. |
| 22:04 | <@Vornicus> | Which I suspect is from critical hits, and thus probably from the Ring Of Heroism. |
| 22:17 | <@Vornicus> | Dunno how crits work though. |
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