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| 02:28 | < Janus> | There. |
| 02:28 | < Janus> | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/tai_ragnarok/slowgame.jpg |
| 02:29 | < Janus> | Not only can it create lighting scenarios that defy gravity, but it's the /first/ 3d engine that goes back in time! |
| 02:32 | < Janus> | For my next trick, I'll take this wheel, and transform it into a hexigonal trapizoid without peer! |
| 02:34 | < MyCatOwnz> | It's pretty, but it'd be better with a nice texture. |
| 02:34 | < MyCatOwnz> | Say... got any bitmaps of Mandelbröts hanging about? |
| 02:35 | < Janus> | Are those the pictures with the melted fairies in them? |
| 02:35 | < Vornicus> | ...that's a damn slow game. |
| 02:36 | < Vornicus> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mandel_zoom_00_mandelbrot_set.jpg <--- this should be a big enough texture. |
| 02:42 | < Janus> | ... what kind of math trick is that..? (the Mandelbrot set's article has plenty of nice pictures, but no explaination) |
| 02:43 | < Janus> | Oh, I see, still in the commons, heh... |
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| 03:24 | < MyCatOwnz> | Vornicus: ooooh, that's just the right aspect ratio for a desktop image, too. |
| 03:24 | | * MyCatOwnz steals it. ^_^ |
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| 04:45 | | * ToxicFrog huggles xargs |
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| 05:01 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: that's perverse. |
| 05:01 | < MyCatOwnz> | I mean, xargs is just... *shudders* |
| 05:02 | < MyCatOwnz> | Subtly different on every single platform and the manual pages never specify which bits of the workings are pure POSIX and which are implementation-specific. |
| 05:05 | < MyCatOwnz> | It's tempting to simply pick one implementation (say, OBSD 'cuz their man pages are always freakishly well written), declare the behavoir of that to be gospel and then bitch and moan every time one finds another implementation which does something differently. |
| 05:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Burn the heretic! |
| 05:13 | < MyCatOwnz> | I'd be fine if there was a retard's guide to POSIX xargs, 'cuz then I could write the same mediocre crap on both my machines and not worry about compatiblity. |
| 05:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | GNU xargs claims to be POSIX/2004 compliant. |
| 05:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | You could implement that. |
| 05:24 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: POSIX pages aren't readable by human beings. |
| 05:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | According to the man page, -r is a GNU extension, and -l and -i are deprecated (they are POSIX/1997 but were replaced by -L and -I in POSIX/2004); the rest matches the standard. |
| 05:24 | < MyCatOwnz> | And all xargs manpages document both the POSIX base and the specific implementation extensions without any distinction between the two. This is my dead cow. |
| 05:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | So, I'm really not sure where your "the man page doesn't say which are the standard and which are extensions" complaint comes from. |
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| 05:33 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: ...what? |
| 05:34 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: on my Linux box, the documentation does not say which options are GNU extensions and which are POSIX mandated. |
| 05:35 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: on my OpenBSD box, the documentation does not say which options were added by the BSD developers and which were POSIX mandated. |
| 05:35 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: what did I fail to make clear there, please? |
| 05:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, on *my* Linux box, the documentation says quite clearly which options are POSIX/2004, which are POSIX/1997, and which are GNU extensions. |
| 05:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | You appear to have outdated or incomplete man pages. |
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| 05:49 | < MyCatOwnz> | Wierd. I could swear that wasn't there before. |
| 05:53 | < MyCatOwnz> | Either the man pages have been written much more better good some time in the last few years, my distro has a different implementation to the one I originally attempted to get to grips with, or maybe I'm just, deep down, a whiny twit. |
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| 16:54 | < Corra> | hi guys |
| 16:55 | <@jerith> | Hey Corra. |
| 16:55 | < Corra> | Um, I'm trying to do a little overclocking on my new computer. I'm quite open to advice :D |
| 17:02 | <@jerith> | I'm the wrong person to be giving it, sorry. |
| 17:02 | | * Corra nods. |
| 17:02 | <@jerith> | In fact, there is one piece of advice I can give: |
| 17:03 | <@jerith> | When overclocking your processor, don't take the heatsink/fan off while it is running. |
| 17:03 | < Corra> | hahaha! good plan :P |
| 17:03 | <@jerith> | There's a video floating around on the net that shows some rather spectacular results. |
| 17:04 | <@jerith> | Along the lines of "hole blown through mobo and table" and "picking bits of the CPU out of the ceiling". |
| 17:04 | < Corra> | wow... |
| 17:05 | < Corra> | well, may I ask if anyone else knows much? ToxicFrog, how about you? And on a side note, how have you been? |
| 17:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | I do not, and as the focus of this channel is code, not hardware, I am unsure if anyone in here does. |
| 17:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | But it is worth a try. |
| 17:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | And I have been full of exams. |
| 17:15 | | * Corra nods. |
| 17:15 | < Corra> | Exams are of no fun. |
| 17:15 | < Corra> | I finished school a couple weeks ago |
| 17:16 | < Corra> | I'm happily enjoying my break :) |
| 17:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | I had my last exam last friday, at the *very end* of exam week. |
| 17:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | My sister, who's at UT, is still writing hers. |
| 17:24 | | * Corra nods. |
| 17:24 | < Corra> | ouch. |
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| 17:33 | < Corra> | hmm.... |
| 17:33 | < Corra> | appearentlymy FSB:DRAM is 2:3 |
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| 17:39 | < Corra> | hello. |
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| 17:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Corra: depends on the system, really. |
| 17:43 | < Corra> | I have a Core 2 Duo. I hear they run extremely stable when overclocked right. |
| 17:44 | < Corra> | I also have a little bit better cooling than stock and a nice mb |
| 17:44 | <@jerith> | I have an AMD64X2. :-) |
| 17:44 | <@jerith> | And I'm about to add another drive to the RAID-Z pool. |
| 17:44 | <@jerith> | ... Why do I have a pair of boxers on top of my file server? |
| 17:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | RAID-Z? |
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| 17:57 | <@jerith> | ZFS. |
| 17:57 | <@jerith> | RAID-Z is essentially RAID-5 with ZFS' transactional semantics. |
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| 18:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. So, it's like a combination of RAID5, LVM and the filesystem itself. |
| 18:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | That's scary. |
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| 19:00 | <@jerith> | It's also incredibly shiny. |
| 19:01 | <@jerith> | Also, you can toss a bunch of RAID-Z virtual devices into a storage pool. |
| 19:02 | <@jerith> | Then add vdevs as you need more storage. |
| 19:02 | <@jerith> | And ZFS magically stripes over the new devices as well. |
| 19:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah. |
| 19:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | The bit that scares me is that it's cramming *all* of this into the filesystem. |
| 19:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Whereas my preference is for multiple specialized tools (or in this case layers) that can be easily combined. |
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| 19:43 | <@jerith> | TF: The major advantage is that knowledge at the filesystem level allows you to use COW to close the RAID-5 hole. |
| 19:43 | <@jerith> | You write the new data somewhere else and atomically update the pointers when you're done. |
| 19:44 | | * ToxicFrog nods |
| 19:45 | <@jerith> | Anyways, I now need 320 gigs of temp storage. |
| 19:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | That is a nontrivial amount. |
| 19:45 | | * Vornicus needs a new hard drive. |
| 19:46 | < Vornicus> | I'm down to like 3 gig left. |
| 19:46 | <@jerith> | Because you can't add spindles to a RAID-Z vdev. You can only add new vdevs to a ZFS pool. |
| 19:46 | <@jerith> | But bedtime. G'night all. |
| 19:52 | < Corra> | night! |
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