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| 01:27 | < Janus> | May I ask a small preference question..? If given the choice with a level editor, would you opt for an all isometrical editing layout, or would you rather a more freeform style thing at the expense of simplicity? |
| 01:29 | < Vornicus> | The level editing tool should be appropriate to the engine it sits on. |
| 01:31 | < Janus> | The graphics looks more at home with an isometric map, but the engine itself works better if there's no tiling going on. |
| 01:31 | < Vornicus> | ah |
| 01:31 | < Vornicus> | make a grid that you can optionally snap to while drawing that is isometric, perhaps? |
| 01:32 | < Janus> | That's a good idea. |
| 01:33 | < Janus> | ... hmm... if all it would be doing is acting as a guide, I could probably arrange for it to rotate at other angles besides 45 degrees as well. |
| 01:33 | | * ToxicFrog checks AMoS, convulses violently |
| 01:34 | | * Janus imagines (or hopes) the editor would have a sort of Trauma Center feel to it then. |
| 01:39 | < Vornicus> | TF: my sentiments exactly |
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| 03:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok. I have add remove save load. |
| 03:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Now I need the interface. |
| 03:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | ;.; |
| 03:13 | < Vornicus> | what're you building? |
| 03:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | A little game-database webapp. |
| 03:14 | < Vornicus> | aha |
| 03:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | This is a replacement for an older program of mine that had a rather crude command-line interface and produced output as HTML. |
| 03:18 | | * ToxicFrog huggles Lua for making save/load so easy. |
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| 05:24 | | * ToxicFrog idly kills HTML in the face |
| 05:35 | < MyCatOwnz> | HTML is like religion and stupidity. |
| 05:35 | < MyCatOwnz> | Vaguely reminiscent of smallpox, but much harder to eradicate. |
| 05:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | This is the problem with writing webapps. |
| 05:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | I have the backend working perfectly, but now I have to write the page generator. |
| 05:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which is where the black bile starts fountaining from my eyesockets. |
| 05:37 | < Vornicus> | heh |
| 05:37 | | * Vornicus plays with erb. |
| 05:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | Maybe I should resurrect that interpolator I wrote for the Septerra Core pages and move to template-based generation. |
| 05:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | Thus permitting me to write stuff like [[<tr><td><a href="${config.baseurl}?mode=detail&id=${game.id}">${game.name}<td>...]] |
| 05:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | Instead of The sprintf() Statement Of Death. |
| 05:39 | < Vornicus> | ...well there's your problem. |
| 05:40 | < Vornicus> | This /is/ what template systems are for. |
| 05:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | The problem is that this leads into context hell, which is probably an improvement, but still. |
| 05:41 | < Vornicus> | I mean, seriously. People have done the sprintf of death /for/ you. |
| 05:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Actually it's the string.gsub() loop of death. |
| 05:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Really, in Lua, the actual interpolation function is, like, four lines. |
| 05:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's the API that kills me. |
| 05:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | (string.gsub() is your tiny god) |
| 05:43 | < Vornicus> | actually lately ssh is my tiny god. |
| 05:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, yes. |
| 05:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | This is why we have a pantheon rather than a monotheistic religeon~ |
| 05:43 | < Vornicus> | And I think as soon as I figure it out, ActiveRecord will be my tiny god. |
| 05:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | (string.gsub(str, regex, repl) being 'replace all occurences of regex with either (the string value repl) or (the return value of the function repl when called with the substring that matched the regex)) |
| 05:45 | < Vornicus> | indeed. |
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| 14:05 | < AnnoDomini> | Hmm. Idly: http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c270/oninosensi/adminspotting.gif |
| 15:21 | <@TheWatcher[wr0k]> | Anyone know how to get at the current process' pid in php? |
| 15:24 | <@TheWatcher[wr0k]> | nevermind - getmypid() |
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| 17:05 | <@jerith> | http://rafb.net/paste/results/s3SNYz91.html <-- Another gem from my router's web interface. |
| 17:10 | < AnnoDomini> | What is that? Someone's attempts at hard-coding timezones? |
| 17:11 | < AnnoDomini> | What about daylight savings, then? |
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| 17:12 | < AnnoDomini> | It looks fairly reminiscent of my implementation of "What time is it over there, damnit?" function on my bot. |
| 17:12 | <@jerith> | That's just the "choose your timezone" form element on this router's web interface. |
| 17:13 | <@jerith> | So, it seems every bloody field in this status page is a JavaScript function call, *except* the dynamic stuff. |
| 17:13 | < AnnoDomini> | I'm not sure, but I suppose that is bad. |
| 17:14 | <@jerith> | I'd suspect some kind of i18n attempt, but there's nowhere to select a language. |
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| 17:15 | <@jerith> | The entire bloody thing is a huge morass of unnecessary JS bullshit. |
| 17:16 | <@jerith> | How the hell could anyone release code like this into production? |
| 17:16 | <@jerith> | I think thedailywtf is going to get a submission very shortly. |
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| 18:06 | <@jerith> | And the whole router saga (with some choice code snippets) has been sent to Alex of thedailywtf.com. |
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| 22:44 | < Takyoji> | Would XHTML Strict 1.0 be a good idea to form a website by? |
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| 22:47 | < Takyoji> | The Wikipedia and Microsoft website is proper XHTML for example |
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| 22:53 | < EvilDarkLord> | I don't think you lose anything by using it. |
| 22:54 | < Vornicus> | XHTML Strict 1.0 is good. |
| 22:54 | < Vornicus> | better than pretty much anything, really. |
| 22:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah. |
| 22:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | MS is not XHTML 1.0 Strict, though. |
| 22:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | It claims to be HTML 4.0 Transitional, but isn't. |
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