| --- Log opened Mon Nov 06 00:00:53 2006 |
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| 00:18 | < takyoji> | Anyone know of a REALLY good PHP editor? |
| 00:19 | < takyoji> | or just at least something that's color cordinated? |
| 00:20 | < McMartin> | emacs should have a mode for it |
| 00:21 | < takyoji> | you mean, a Mac basically? |
| 00:22 | < takyoji> | or.. |
| 00:22 | < takyoji> | and editor called emac? |
| 00:23 | < takyoji> | otherwise a friend had just suggested Crimson Editor |
| 00:26 | < ToxicFrog> | No, an editor called "emacs" |
| 00:26 | < ToxicFrog> | NEdit probably has a mode for it as well, and SciTE. |
| 00:29 | < takyoji> | ahh |
| 00:33 | < Vornicus> | emacs: the world's biggest text editor. |
| 00:34 | < Vornicus> | It was featured at the 1983 Texas state fair, and all the farmers stood leaning on the fence around it and said "yep. That's pretty big." |
| 00:36 | < Vornicus> | And then one of them tried to ride it. |
| 00:36 | < Vornicus> | It is said that he ended up in Budapest, and shouted something to the effect of "what the hell was that?" |
| 00:37 | < ToxicFrog> | There is a saying: "emacs is a decent operating system; all it needs now is a decent text editor"~ |
| 00:38 | < ToxicFrog> | Personally, I prefer NEdit and nano. |
| 00:40 | < McMartin> | Nano is terrible for code. |
| 00:46 | < Vornicus> | indeed |
| 00:46 | < ToxicFrog> | True. |
| 00:46 | < ToxicFrog> | It is, however, fine for getting X11 working so that I can use NEdit. |
| 00:47 | < Vornicus> | http://sycophant.wordpress.com/files/2006/03/emacs.jpg <--- made by Pi. |
| 00:51 | < Vornicus> | SciTE is the editor I use on WIndows. |
| 00:52 | < Vornicus> | It handles PHP, I think |
| 00:54 | | * ToxicFrog has given up on SciTE and just uses NEdit on everything. |
| 00:55 | < takyoji> | xD |
| 00:56 | < takyoji> | nice pic |
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| 01:03 | < takyoji> | *poke* |
| 01:06 | < Annath> | Hey all |
| 01:06 | | ReivZzz is now known as Reiver |
| 01:06 | < takyoji> | We all live in a yellow submarine, a yellow submarine, a yellow submarine! |
| 01:06 | < Annath> | oO |
| 01:08 | | Reiver changed the topic of #Code to: #Code - It's like swiss bank accounts, but for coders! || Text editors in a nutshell: http://sycophant.wordpress.com/files/2006/03/emacs.jpg |
| 01:09 | < takyoji> | xD |
| 01:10 | < Annath> | lol |
| 01:10 | < takyoji> | is the swiss army knife included? |
| 01:11 | < takyoji> | ooo I'm connected to nightstar on port 6666 |
| 01:12 | <@Reiver> | ...Y'know, that leaves me wondering. |
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| 01:12 | <@Reiver> | !6666/666 |
| 01:12 | < KarmaBot> | [Reiver] 6666/666 = 10.009009. |
| 01:13 | <@Reiver> | Hm. |
| 01:14 | < takyoji> | heh, karmabot aye? How do you make bots btw? |
| 01:14 | < Annath> | mIRC scripting usually |
| 01:14 | < takyoji> | ohh |
| 01:14 | | * Janus thinks smoke, mirrors, a satan. |
| 01:14 | < takyoji> | but my versions expired... |
| 01:14 | < Annath> | depending on what you want it to do it can be pretty simple or damned complex. xD |
| 01:14 | < takyoji> | though it could still work.. |
| 01:14 | < Vornicus> | takyoji - mIRC doesn't actually demand that you register. |
| 01:15 | < takyoji> | I'm actually in mIRC at the moment |
| 01:15 | | mode/#code [+oooooo Annath Ev3 EvilDarkLord Janus McMartin Raif] by Reiver |
| 01:15 | | mode/#code [+ooooo Stephenie takyoji Thaqui ToxicFrog Vornicus] by Reiver |
| 01:15 | | mode/#code [+v KarmaBot] by Reiver |
| 01:15 | <@Annath> | :o |
| 01:15 | <@Annath> | Was that intentional? o_O |
| 01:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | takyoji: or perl, python, ruby, TCL, Lua or Lisp scripting in xchat. |
| 01:15 | <@Vornicus> | nor, at that, does it require registration to use the fancy scripting ability. |
| 01:15 | <@Reiver> | If you assume something is in error, feel free to deop yourself. |
| 01:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or writing it as a stand alone bot that understands the IRC protocol directly. |
| 01:15 | <@takyoji> | I'm trying to load x-chat right now |
| 01:15 | <@Vornicus> | It's rather gentle nagware. |
| 01:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or writing it as a perl script in irssi. |
| 01:15 | <@takyoji> | * Looking up us.nightstar.net |
| 01:15 | <@takyoji> | * Connecting to us.nightstar.net (72.20.46.108) port 6667... |
| 01:15 | <@takyoji> | * Connection failed. Error: Connection refused |
| 01:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Etc. |
| 01:16 | <@Reiver> | I generally don't care much. |
| 01:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | takyoji: port 6667 is blocked. |
| 01:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Use 6668. |
| 01:16 | <@takyoji> | k |
| 01:16 | <@Janus> | http://www.red3d.com/cwr/steer/gdc99/ <- quite the interesting read |
| 01:16 | <@Vornicus> | 6660-6666,6668,6669 |
| 01:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Either "irc.nightstar.net/6668" in the server list, or "/server irc.nightstar.net 6668" |
| 01:16 | <@Annath> | I could never find could documentation for those Toxic. :< Then again, I wasn't well versed in Perl at the time, so I might have just missed something, but I couldn't figure out what it was talking about most of the time. xD |
| 01:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Annath: "those"? |
| 01:17 | <@Annath> | Perl scripting in XChat |
| 01:17 | <@Annath> | I read the docs and couldn't figure it out |
| 01:19 | <@takyoji> | how do I configure X-chat to connect to nightstar |
| 01:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 01:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | It may assume that you've already read the docs for the C interface, which is the one on which all the others are based. |
| 01:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | takyoji: like I said. |
| 01:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Use port 6668. If you're editing the server list, use "irc.nightstar.net/6668" instead of "irc.nightstar.net". |
| 01:20 | <@takyoji> | I know to try port 6668, but I mean for everything else |
| 01:20 | <@takyoji> | oh |
| 01:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...what do you mean "for everything else"? |
| 01:20 | <@Annath> | Aaaah, that would make sense Toxic. I just figured that my limited knowledge of Perl was the cause. :P |
| 01:21 | <@takyoji> | one sec |
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| 01:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Annath: the C API is the only one built in; all the other languages are supported via modules written using that API. So it tends to assume you know the C API and only need to be educated on where the new language differs. |
| 01:23 | <@Annath> | Ah. |
| 01:24 | <@Annath> | On a completely different subject: I love the System.Diagnostics namespace in C#. :D |
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| 01:27 | < takyoji> | yay, I got x-chat to work |
| 01:27 | <@Annath> | lol |
| 01:30 | | * Annath meanwhile proceeds to smack his code with a large trout hoping it will fix the bugs |
| 01:31 | < takyoji> | save feature won't work? |
| 01:32 | <@Annath> | it works for the most part, but this one dumb variable keeps getting reset and I can't tell why |
| 01:33 | < takyoji> | hmm |
| 01:33 | <@Annath> | that or it's not accepting the new value, which would be just odd. =/ |
| 01:33 | < takyoji> | too bad I don't know C# yet >.> |
| 01:33 | <@Annath> | D'oH! |
| 01:33 | | * Annath kicks VS |
| 01:33 | <@Annath> | I figured it out |
| 01:34 | < takyoji> | mis spelled the varible |
| 01:34 | < takyoji> | right? |
| 01:34 | <@Annath> | no, the get accessor was resetting the Property I was using |
| 01:34 | < takyoji> | ahh |
| 01:34 | <@Annath> | VS stuck an = true in there. >_< |
| 01:34 | <@Annath> | so instead of saying return newFile; it said return newFile = true; |
| 01:34 | < takyoji> | ahh |
| 01:34 | <@Annath> | no clue how that happened |
| 01:35 | <@Annath> | okay, NOW it works |
| 01:35 | <@Annath> | yays |
| 01:35 | < takyoji> | you mean, it just threw ' = "true"' on there?' |
| 01:35 | < takyoji> | yay |
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| 01:36 | <@Annath> | I think it did it when I went back and changed something, it added that in there as part of the intellisense. It did it to both the accessors but I only noticed it on the set accessor. |
| 01:36 | <@Annath> | >_O |
| 01:36 | < takyoji> | hmm |
| 01:37 | <@Annath> | oh well, it's fixed now, and it works. :D |
| 01:40 | <@Annath> | And now I only have three things left to do before it's done: Make the Options Dialog, the help dialog, and write the file open function. :D |
| 01:40 | < takyoji> | woo |
| 01:49 | <@Janus> | Pffft. |
| 01:49 | <@Janus> | I was trying to make a 'seek' method, and made a 'flee' method instead... |
| 01:49 | < takyoji> | heh |
| 01:49 | <@Annath> | lol |
| 01:50 | | * Janus renames it, and stuffs it elsewhere for later use. |
| 02:14 | <@Janus> | Hotdog, it actually works. |
| 02:15 | | * Janus stares at all the arithmatic in awe. |
| 02:20 | | * Annath steals the arithmatic and calls flee() |
| 02:24 | < takyoji> | crap, my php script wont work as desired |
| 02:26 | < takyoji> | can I post a script with 11 lines for evaluation? |
| 02:26 | | * takyoji does so anyway |
| 02:26 | <@Janus> | Wait. |
| 02:27 | < takyoji> | wha? |
| 02:27 | <@Janus> | http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 02:28 | < takyoji> | ooo |
| 02:28 | <@Vornicus> | Pastebin is your fried. |
| 02:28 | <@Vornicus> | nd. |
| 02:28 | <@Annath> | I've been looking for that. |
| 02:28 | <@Annath> | :D |
| 02:30 | < takyoji> | http://rafb.net/paste/results/HllAqi54.html |
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| 02:31 | < takyoji> | first off.. |
| 02:35 | < takyoji> | The script is supposed to create a row of a table for a name of a category (line 3-10) then, its supposed to create another row which contains multiple subcategories, but its suppose to show only $detail (as a declareable number) subcategories per category (line 11-23). But, in example. When $detail equals 8, it prints the first category, and its five subcategories, prints another category row, but prints 3 subcategories when ther |
| 02:35 | < takyoji> | e are about 6. |
| 02:37 | <@Janus> | ? |
| 02:37 | < takyoji> | holdono |
| 02:38 | < takyoji> | look to the right: http://71.82.141.6:444/store/ |
| 02:38 | < takyoji> | that's what the script is supposed to create |
| 02:39 | | * Janus understands pictures. |
| 02:41 | < takyoji> | so, as you see under pond supplies, there are 6 subcategories which is all the categories for pond supplies. But, under Pond lighting there are only 2 when I actually want it to limit to 8 subcategories for each category. So, it's accidentally running where 8 is the limit for subcategories, not 8 subcategories per category |
| 02:43 | < takyoji> | So, if you add 6 subcategories to 2, it equals 8. Which shows that it isn't reseting $count after it's done printing subcategories for a category |
| 02:45 | < takyoji> | I suppose I'll have to figure it out myself |
| 02:47 | | * Janus isn't familier with PHP, but could you simply put $count = "0"; in the first while statement, before it runs the second one(?) |
| 02:48 | <@Vornicus> | ah, I can always count on Chalain for a novel. |
| 02:49 | <@Reiver> | ? |
| 02:49 | | * Vornicus posted a question in his LJ about the difference between points and vectors, and Chalain responded with several paragraphs. |
| 02:49 | | * Reiver giggle. |
| 02:50 | <@Vornicus> | But it is educational, and thought provoking. |
| 02:50 | <@Janus> | Isn't just... one is a point in space, while another has a direction and magnitute...? |
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| 02:51 | <@Vornicus> | janus: read my LJ. http://unspeakablevorn.livejournal.com/27169.html |
| 02:51 | < takyoji> | Parse error: parse error, unexpected $end in C:\Program Files\xampp\htdocs\store\include\functions.php on line 73 |
| 02:51 | | * Janus is reminded of ID&D at that~ |
| 02:52 | <@Vornicus> | rimspace is TW, the others are regulars on this network but i've never seen them in this channel. |
| 02:52 | <@Vornicus> | Well. and Chalain is Chalain. But. |
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| 02:53 | < takyoji> | does break stop it from using the while statement throughout the execution? |
| 02:54 | < takyoji> | 'break"* |
| 02:54 | <@Vornicus> | break ends the innermost loop, generally |
| 02:54 | <@Janus> | Vectors sure are nifty-bits. |
| 02:55 | < takyoji> | because lets say I have loop 2 in loop one and I break loop 2 |
| 02:55 | < takyoji> | would loop wouldn't be executed again, correct? |
| 02:55 | < takyoji> | loop 2* |
| 02:57 | < takyoji> | actually I think I found 'continue' could be used in such a situation |
| 02:58 | < takyoji> | whoops, misread the documentation |
| 02:59 | <@Janus> | Speaking of vectors, actually, I think I'll set asside path planning for another time; collision avoidance is a much better fit for what I'm trying to do. |
| 02:59 | <@McMartin> | If you want to break out of multiple loops at once, many languages have a "break {label}" command. |
| 02:59 | <@Vornicus> | continue goes back to the beginning of the innermost loop. |
| 02:59 | <@Vornicus> | Ruby has a couple other toys, but I don't remember ever seeing them. |
| 03:00 | <@McMartin> | Perl calls them "last" and "next". |
| 03:00 | < takyoji> | hmm |
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| 03:19 | < takyoji> | ohhhhh, now I get why my script isn't working |
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| 03:39 | < takyoji> | Yes, I fixed it! |
| 03:39 | < takyoji> | woooo! |
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| 03:50 | < TakyojiClone> | crap.. |
| 03:50 | < TakyojiClone> | well, night folks |
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| 03:52 | < TakyojiClone> | WOOT! I KILLED TEH CLONE! OMG WTF BBQ! |
| 03:52 | < TakyojiClone> | whoops, wrong room.. >.>; |
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| 17:08 | <@Vornicus> | She was a hotel detective in the future. |
| 17:08 | <@Vornicus> | She had a hundred mechanical fingers. |
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| 17:37 | <@Vornicus> | (also, I found a new toy. From the maker of Urban Dead and the Zombie Attack Simulator, Rubicon: a Rube Goldberg cellular automaton. http://kevan.org/rubicon ) |
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| 23:13 | <@Vornicus> | Arg. Tired /and/ bored. |
| 23:14 | < aoanla> | Which reminds me; what /did/ you decide on the point/vector class issue? |
| 23:18 | <@Vornicus> | I'm going to go with just vectors. |
| 23:18 | <@Vornicus> | Also I have to beat C with the "vectors /are/ translations" stick. |
| 23:18 | < aoanla> | It's a good stick. |
| 23:20 | <@Vornicus> | except that I was hoping you or Chalain would apply the stick more properly - I can't seem to figure out a way to get there |
| 23:22 | <@Vornicus> | If I understand it correctly, he's trying to overgeneralize vectors - saying (among other things) that the scale on the various dimensions doesn't even have to be /vaguely/ the same thing (see the height/weight example he uses), but not even the whole "time and space are two similar dimensions" allows that, seeing as you multiply/divide one of them by c to make them match (and I think space is actually imaginary, but you know that stuff better |
| 23:25 | <@Vornicus> | did that all get through? |
| 23:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | " but you know that stuff better " |
| 23:25 | <@Vornicus> | ah, so close. "than I do)" |
| 23:26 | | * aoanla hrms. |
| 23:26 | | * aoanla goes back and rereads C's comments. |
| 23:29 | | * aoanla notes that a vector is /not/ just an n-part number. |
| 23:30 | < aoanla> | It's a rank 1 tensor. |
| 23:30 | <@Vornicus> | |
| 23:31 | <@Vornicus> | I really need to learn about what tensors actually /are/, really - none of my math work, ever, has relied on them, and I keep thinking they're kinda scary. |
| 23:31 | <@TheWatcher> | The more you read about them, the tensor you'll get, too |
| 23:31 | | * aoanla tries to work how how best to describe a tensor. |
| 23:31 | <@Vornicus> | What is it with you and stupid puns, anyway? |
| 23:31 | < aoanla> | (Tenser, said the tensor.) |
| 23:31 | < aoanla> | It's a reference to "The Demolished Man", I /hope/. |
| 23:32 | <@Vornicus> | ...okay, don't read Mathworld for what tensors are, the syllable average in the first paragraph is about 3. |
| 23:34 | < aoanla> | Briefly, a rank n tensor is an n-dimensional array /with the property that it is independant of the basis functions of the space it exists in/. |
| 23:34 | < aoanla> | Which sets various properties of how rotations etc affect it. |
| 23:35 | <@Vornicus> | ...so, in short, his height/weight example doesn't describe a vector because it /does/ depend on the basis functions? |
| 23:36 | < aoanla> | Well, "height-weight" space isn't really a "space". |
| 23:36 | <@Vornicus> | ...that too, but. |
| 23:37 | < aoanla> | Well, it's the most fundamental reason why it isn't a vector. |
| 23:37 | < aoanla> | Except in a loose "it's an array" sense. |
| 23:37 | <@Vornicus> | so is a complex number a vector? |
| 23:37 | < aoanla> | In the complex plane, yes. |
| 23:38 | < aoanla> | Although, technically, it's a just a complex scalar. |
| 23:38 | < aoanla> | A complex vector has more than one complex number in it. |
| 23:39 | <@Vornicus> | ok |
| 23:39 | < aoanla> | But complex spaces make my head hurt when I imagine them. |
| 23:41 | <@Vornicus> | I once drew the curve of (-e)^x over the domain of real numbers. It's this awesome helix. |
| 23:41 | | * aoanla nods. |
| 23:42 | <@Vornicus> | (actually if you want to get technical, it's an infinity of helical curves, with attractors) |
| 23:46 | < aoanla> | (I'm still amused that there's an infinite number of solutions to ln(x) ) |
| 23:46 | <@Vornicus> | (yeah) |
| 23:46 | < aoanla> | (although, obviously, a maximum of one Real solution) |
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| 23:53 | <@Vornicus> | nicaps |
| 23:53 | < caps[t-2]> | Night, Vorn. |
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