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| 06:09 | < Soren[Away]> | Hey, things are a bit dead right now, so if youāve got questions or just want to bullshit on a given topic, throw it out there and see whoās around. |
| 06:09 | < Soren[Away]> | Iām only sort-of here. |
| 06:09 | < CalaveraJoe> | Mostly just idling myself :) |
| 06:12 | < CalaveraJoe> | But thanks for the hello |
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| 09:34 | < MittenNinja> | sup fellas? |
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| 19:08 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh hai. |
| 19:09 | | Soren[Away] is now known as Soren |
| 19:09 | < Soren> | Hello. |
| 19:09 | < Ced23Ric> | How's it going? |
| 19:09 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren. |
| 19:09 | < Ced23Ric> | Tell me one reason not to buy 70 bucks worth of coloured felt. |
| 19:10 | < Soren> | I canāt think of one. Iām too busy being excited that I might get paid sooner than expected. |
| 19:10 | < Ced23Ric> | Ooooh, shinies. |
| 19:15 | < Soren> | Yeah |
| 19:16 | < Ced23Ric> | We're breaking our heads over making Defense/Movement more worthwhile on /tg/. |
| 19:16 | < Ced23Ric> | http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/31731873#p31782296 |
| 19:16 | < Ced23Ric> | Got some ideas. |
| 19:16 | < Ced23Ric> | And it's quite civil! |
| 19:16 | < Soren> | Imagine that. |
| 19:16 | < Ced23Ric> | All these threads have been, really. |
| 19:17 | < Soren> | I would just like to comment that the whole āframes are best at what they doā wankfest is Joshuaās dickchafery, not mine. |
| 19:18 | < Ced23Ric> | Bwaha. |
| 19:18 | < Ced23Ric> | As in, Josh has decided that's the case, end of discussion? |
| 19:18 | < Soren> | If he wants to polish his cock over it, Iām happy to let him, but I prefer to admit that something is the way it is foraesthetic reasons and not bad logic. |
| 19:18 | < Ced23Ric> | See, I knew why we get along. |
| 19:18 | < Soren> | Heās emotionally committed to it as his explanation of why the setting is the way it is. |
| 19:19 | < Ced23Ric> | Joshua and I clash where he counters logic and reason with "NUH-UH!". |
| 19:20 | < Soren> | Someday we will have a few beers together and will explain the peculiar social environment that breeds that kind of thinking. |
| 19:20 | < Soren> | I* |
| 19:20 | < Ced23Ric> | What, why people hold on to things "just because"? |
| 19:21 | < Ced23Ric> | I have that one figured out; it is actually simple. |
| 19:21 | < Soren> | No, why Joshua is so strongly invested in what other people feel. |
| 19:21 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh? |
| 19:21 | < Soren> | Itās a very peculiarly American thing. |
| 19:21 | < Ced23Ric> | Now I am confused. |
| 19:21 | < Ced23Ric> | He cares about what others feel? |
| 19:21 | < Ced23Ric> | In what regard. |
| 19:22 | < Soren> | Let me take this to PMs as it involves speculations about the mental health of someone who has a check to post me. |
| 19:22 | < Ced23Ric> | To me he seems like he just doesn't want to be wrong, even if reason/logic say so, so he makes up arbitrary magical realms rules. |
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| 19:31 | < Mantisking> | Howdy. |
| 19:32 | < Ced23Ric> | Hey Ray! |
| 19:33 | < Mantisking> | Hey. |
| 19:33 | < Mantisking> | Ced, I realized the other night that I have no idea what your real name is. |
| 19:34 | < Ced23Ric> | Chris. |
| 19:34 | < Ced23Ric> | Full name, Christian Rasch. |
| 19:36 | < Ced23Ric> | So I am debating on grabbing some felt. |
| 19:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Black, tan, green, blue, grey. |
| 19:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Cut it all to 48x48 inches. |
| 19:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Take the rest and make roads, rivers, lakes, grass patches, sand pits etc out of it. |
| 19:43 | < FlakManiak> | Hmm. I almost want to make a terrain board that's all Lego, but I think flat table + Lego terrain bits is probably fine. |
| 19:43 | < FlakManiak> | And since my terrain is palm trees, the blonde wood of the tables here can be a beach or something and it all makes sense. |
| 19:44 | < Ced23Ric> | I see your point. |
| 19:44 | < Ced23Ric> | My point is, that felt is highly transportable. |
| 19:44 | < Ced23Ric> | And I never was too fond of the lego city tiles and stuff. |
| 19:45 | < FlakManiak> | I was thinking just green baseplates with stuff on them. I like forest terrain. But it would be really hard to transport, yeah. |
| 19:45 | < Mantisking> | I'm going to pick up two pieces of felt/cloth, one in green and one in black. |
| 19:45 | < FlakManiak> | And if I really wanted a base color, I guess I'd go with felt. |
| 19:46 | < FlakManiak> | If I were doing space combat I'd want something with a print of some cool nebula on it. Which I guess means paper. |
| 19:46 | < FlakManiak> | Or maybe the flat image of whatever admittedly awesome nebula would just look wrong. |
| 19:47 | < FlakManiak> | Also, what's the issue with frames being the best at what they do? Having humanoid mecha at all is entirely implausible. So to me it's not really more of a leap to stipulate that they're the best at their jobs. It's a great aesthetic boon to any robot setting to have it that way. |
| 19:48 | < Ced23Ric> | nebulas? |
| 19:48 | < Ced23Ric> | We talked about that the other night. |
| 19:48 | < Ced23Ric> | Just cut out pink felt. :D |
| 19:48 | < Soren> | Itās more the insistence that when someone wants to broaden the setting, theyāre doing it wrong/ |
| 19:48 | < Soren> | Whcih I think is silly. |
| 19:48 | < Soren> | We should not interact with you guys by playing Fun Police. |
| 19:49 | < FlakManiak> | Now maybe MFZ aims for a lot of internal consistency or whatever, and since it's not a super robot setting it can't use (essentially) magic to explain away why the mecha reign supreme, but personally I just don't look under the hood in that case and it's fine. |
| 19:49 | < Soren> | Or, if we do, it should be limited to āplease donāt use our names to say something creepy, even indirectly.ā |
| 19:49 | < FlakManiak> | Oh, yeah, in terms of broadening the setting, yeah, it's cool if people do that. |
| 19:49 | < FlakManiak> | I mean, I pay very little attention to the setting when I build. |
| 19:49 | < Soren> | Yeah, Iād rather hand over the list of stuff we were influenced by and let you guys go nuts. |
| 19:49 | < FlakManiak> | I've always had the vague notion that my stuff is in a different setting. |
| 19:50 | < FlakManiak> | Though I don't know much about what that setting is yet. |
| 19:50 | < FlakManiak> | Basically, I guess the only thing I need is for the setting to support the aesthetics of my builds, whether it's the official one or not. |
| 19:51 | < Soren> | Thatās really all it needs to do for anyone. |
| 19:51 | < FlakManiak> | I guess I want a kind of Gundam 00-ish sleek and humanoid and detailed but still kinda super robot look, with all the attendant battle tropes. So I guess that's not the Solar Calendar. |
| 19:51 | < Soren> | Or itās further down the timeline. |
| 19:52 | < FlakManiak> | I'm on board with Josh's "no destined heroes" thing and such, and the whole morally ambiguous multi-faction thing is great. |
| 19:52 | < Soren> | But I encourage you to go and explore it as your own thing, if it lends itself to other, more fun constraints. |
| 19:52 | < Ced23Ric> | 4chan has multiple wish lists. |
| 19:52 | < Mantisking> | I tend to ignore the setting most of the time. |
| 19:52 | < Ced23Ric> | Danger Close, a campaign setting for chained missions in MFZ:RA. |
| 19:52 | < Soren> | Yeah, itās much more human than having designated āantagonistā and āprotagonistā identities. |
| 19:53 | < Ced23Ric> | Charlie Intercept, infantry & vehicle warfare. |
| 19:53 | < Ced23Ric> | Tango Inbound, fast movers fighting in the sky. |
| 19:53 | < Ced23Ric> | Lonesome Son, a OGRE/Bolo conversion of MFZ:RA. |
| 19:53 | < Soren> | That last one sounds like a good time. |
| 19:53 | < Ced23Ric> | And Manual Override, a Pen & Paper system. |
| 19:53 | < Soren> | Also, the best name out of the lot. |
| 19:53 | < Ced23Ric> | You should join. I have jack all clue about OGRE. |
| 19:54 | < FlakManiak> | Is Tango Inbound basically the same but all flying frames? |
| 19:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, flyers. |
| 19:54 | < Soren> | I have jack all clue as well, but I like the na,e. |
| 19:54 | < Soren> | name* |
| 19:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Jetplanes and such. |
| 19:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh, you. |
| 19:55 | < Soren> | And Iām familiar with the Bolo stories, vaguely. |
| 19:55 | < Ced23Ric> | You just like the name. |
| 19:55 | < Ced23Ric> | THERE. |
| 19:55 | < Ced23Ric> | More than I know. |
| 19:57 | < Mantisking> | BOLOs are robotic tanks. I belive the Keith Laumer works were an inspiration for Ogre. |
| 19:58 | < FlakManiak> | Hmm. I think I should make a few more non-winged flying frames and try to have a space battle. Alpha Bandit never appealed much to me but regular MFZ battles in space would be super cool. |
| 19:59 | < FlakManiak> | Oh also, if you're making an RPG version, Ced... I am so in you wouldn't believe. I really really want a good mecha RPG. |
| 19:59 | < FlakManiak> | Would it have mechanics based on Rapid Attack, or more RPG-ized ones? |
| 19:59 | < Ced23Ric> | I think we're gonna scavenge. |
| 20:00 | < Ced23Ric> | Look to Battletech, maybe Cortex, maybe Fate. |
| 20:00 | < Mantisking> | Flakmaniak, you could play out a Frame Squad vs. Frame Squad battle from Intercept Orbit in the Rapid Attack scale. |
| 20:00 | < Ced23Ric> | We're probably gonna favour a d6 system, to keep it in line with MFZ. |
| 20:01 | < Ced23Ric> | And the goal is to have a DM field the mooks, and the players field their individual frames. Maybe have them grow with XP, get bonus to their dice and stuff. |
| 20:08 | < Ced23Ric> | Goddamnit. |
| 20:08 | < Ced23Ric> | It'd be about 75 bucks. |
| 20:08 | < Mantisking> | For? |
| 20:09 | < Ced23Ric> | 5x 6' by 7' of felt. |
| 20:10 | < Mantisking> | $0.36 per square foot? |
| 20:12 | < Ced23Ric> | About. |
| 20:12 | < Ced23Ric> | It's 7.50ā¬ for 1.86m x 2m. |
| 20:13 | < Ced23Ric> | Which is about $9.00 for 6' x 7'. |
| 20:13 | < Ced23Ric> | Wait. |
| 20:13 | < Ced23Ric> | Times two. |
| 20:13 | < Ced23Ric> | My bad. |
| 20:13 | < Ced23Ric> | Because the running metre is 7.50ā¬. |
| 20:15 | < Mantisking> | Are you planning on having five demo tables running at the same time? |
| 20:15 | < Ced23Ric> | Nah, I cut that up. |
| 20:15 | < Ced23Ric> | Black is Alpha Bandit. |
| 20:15 | < Ced23Ric> | Green is gras, blue is water, tan is desert, grey is concrete. |
| 20:16 | < Ced23Ric> | The leftovers are cut into bits that can be put on the other surfaces. |
| 20:16 | < Ced23Ric> | So I either have islands among large bodies of water, or lakes in the desert. |
| 20:16 | < Ced23Ric> | Or I have river in the green, with a pier by the water's edge for a harbour. |
| 20:16 | < Mantisking> | Sounds good. |
| 20:17 | < Ced23Ric> | I am just unsure if I should. |
| 20:17 | < Ced23Ric> | As in, I am currently looking for a rationalization. |
| 20:18 | < Ced23Ric> | Because I don't really have any other players. |
| 20:31 | < Mantisking> | Is there a gaming store where you could use all this material to demo MFZ? |
| 20:34 | < Ced23Ric> | Loads. |
| 20:34 | < Ced23Ric> | Berlin has, easily, 10. |
| 20:34 | < Ced23Ric> | If not more. |
| 20:34 | < Ced23Ric> | All of those within an hour via public transport. |
| 20:35 | < Ced23Ric> | Just two problems. |
| 20:35 | < Ced23Ric> | - MFZ does not exist in German. |
| 20:35 | < Ced23Ric> | - GW stores won't allow it. |
| 20:35 | < Ced23Ric> | - GW stores won't allow it. |
| 20:35 | < Ced23Ric> | Err. |
| 20:35 | < Ced23Ric> | So I gotta find against system elitists and monolinguists. |
| 20:36 | < Mantisking> | Or translate it into German. |
| 20:36 | < Mantisking> | How many of those 10 are GW stores? |
| 20:37 | < Ced23Ric> | I think ... 3. |
| 20:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Maybe 4. |
| 20:37 | < Ced23Ric> | But 3 for sure. |
| 20:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Called GW Berlin I, II and III. |
| 20:37 | < Mantisking> | So that leaves you with seven other stores where you could possibly demo. |
| 20:41 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah. |
| 20:41 | < Ced23Ric> | Gotta get a demo kit, gotta get more terrain, that felt, and organise a date. |
| 20:41 | < Ced23Ric> | Maybe ask the store owners for a place to put a promotion thing. |
| 20:43 | < Mantisking> | Try posting in the Game Finder forum, see if it generates any interest. http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewforum.php?f=22 That's the link to the European sub-forum. |
| 20:58 | < FlakManiak> | In my dreams there would be a Mobile Frame Zero RPG based on/very mechanically close to Rapid Attack, but maybe RA's mechanics aren't best for an RPG. |
| 21:16 | < Ced23Ric> | I did it. |
| 21:16 | < Ced23Ric> | I ordered five bits of felt. |
| 21:16 | < Ced23Ric> | Black, grey, blue, green, tan, grey. |
| 21:17 | < Mantisking> | No turning back now. :-) |
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| 21:48 | < Mantisking> | And he's back. |
| 21:48 | < Ced23Ric> | Welcome back, Soren. |
| 21:48 | < Soren> | ty |
| 21:52 | < Mantisking> | Almost time for me to go. |
| 22:07 | < Mantisking> | Have you gentlemen had a look at my modular starships idea? http://the-mobile-frame-garage.blogspot.com/2014/04/modular-ships-1.html |
| 22:19 | < Soren> | No, but Iām curious. |
| 22:20 | < Ced23Ric> | Looking at it now. |
| 22:20 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
| 22:20 | < Ced23Ric> | I actually like that. |
| 22:21 | < Ced23Ric> | You can build a fleet of omni-ships. |
| 22:21 | < Ced23Ric> | I'd change the core based on personal preference, but the idea is good. |
| 22:23 | < Ced23Ric> | http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/31785919 |
| 22:23 | < Ced23Ric> | I like my threads. |
| 22:23 | < Ced23Ric> | They look neat. |
| 22:24 | < Soren> | They do. |
| 22:24 | < Soren> | Orderly. |
| 22:25 | < Ced23Ric> | I can't hide my powerlevel. |
| 22:25 | < Soren> | Mantisking: I think the idea is good, the execution might need some polish. |
| 22:25 | < Mantisking> | Yeah. That's kinda what I thought. |
| 22:26 | < Soren> | I was toying with the idea of socketed hulls when we started, but nothing was compact enough to work at the sizes we were aiming for. |
| 22:26 | < Ced23Ric> | I think it does have merit. |
| 22:26 | < Mantisking> | The idea looked all sparkly in my head Friday morning. |
| 22:26 | < Ced23Ric> | There is a 2x2 plate /w technic connector at the bottom. |
| 22:26 | < Ced23Ric> | That thing would work wonders there. |
| 22:26 | < Soren> | And ultimately it was more important to have pretty ships than mechanically optimal ones. |
| 22:27 | < Mantisking> | I can understand that. |
| 22:27 | < Ced23Ric> | I think you can, instead of having one hull for a category, make a hull you like and equip stuff to it. |
| 22:27 | < Ced23Ric> | Like Starsector, eh Soren? |
| 22:27 | < Ced23Ric> | I think I came a little thinking about it now. |
| 22:28 | < Soren> | Hah. |
| 22:28 | < Soren> | yeah, more or less. |
| 22:28 | < Mantisking> | I've got a bunch of those 2x2 plates, both regular and inverted. |
| 22:28 | < Soren> | engine, weapon, and armor sockets, etc. |
| 22:28 | < Mantisking> | They don't have friction ridges though. |
| 22:28 | < Ced23Ric> | I just bite those a tad. |
| 22:29 | < Mantisking> | I'm still working on a defensive modular plug-in. |
| 22:29 | < Ced23Ric> | ECM pod? |
| 22:29 | < Mantisking> | The reaction to the idea seems to be very positive though. |
| 22:29 | < Mantisking> | Ced, good idea. |
| 22:30 | < Mantisking> | The spotting attachment could double for that. |
| 22:30 | < Ced23Ric> | You can surely do something with an antenna, a grill and some fiddly bits. |
| 22:31 | < Mantisking> | I just had an idea using arms on a Frigate for a Gripper ship. |
| 22:32 | < Ced23Ric> | There ya go. |
| 22:36 | < Mantisking> | I figure if I make one or two hulls with good color choices they may look halfway decent. |
| 22:36 | < Soren> | the 2x2 plate w/pin would be good for armor. Maybe with some of the new 1x2 brackets to hold them in place? |
| 22:37 | < Mantisking> | I'll think about it. Time for me to go home now. |
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| 22:39 | < Ced23Ric> | I think I'll let that idea cook in my head for a bit. |
| 22:39 | < Ced23Ric> | This is definately workable. |
| 22:39 | < Soren> | Yeah. |
| 22:40 | < Soren> | Homeworld 1 designs would make a lot of sense for this. |
| 22:40 | < Ced23Ric> | Even 2, t osome extent. |
| 22:40 | < Soren> | Simple, but a bit more complex than simple rectangular boxes. |
| 22:40 | < Ced23Ric> | I prefer HW2. |
| 22:40 | < Ced23Ric> | A lot. |
| 22:40 | < Soren> | Me too, but itās a no-brainer. |
| 22:41 | < Ced23Ric> | Also, my Starsector save is half a gig now. |
| 22:41 | < Soren> | I like some of the HW1 antagonists, though, like the Kadeshi. |
| 22:41 | < Soren> | I bet it is. |
| 22:41 | < Soren> | turgid with victories. |
| 22:42 | < Ced23Ric> | I learnt that if I destroy a lot of hostile fleet, that goes down. |
| 22:42 | < Ced23Ric> | I murdered myself down from 575 MB. |
| 22:42 | < Ced23Ric> | http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1398721303291.jpg |
| 22:42 | < Ced23Ric> | I really like that head. |
| 22:42 | < Soren> | Yeah |
| 22:43 | < Soren> | Oh, I tried some fun builds. |
| 22:43 | < Ced23Ric> | What'd ya do? |
| 22:43 | < Soren> | https://www.dropbox.com/s/rkcqlqqsn1sin4i/BRDY%20Heron%20Build.png |
| 22:43 | < Soren> | https://www.dropbox.com/s/02k0npbsdsk8drg/Stock%20Heron%20Build.png |
| 22:43 | < Soren> | Two Heron builds that stomp face. |
| 22:44 | < Soren> | Built a Blackrock cruiser/destroyer fleet that also stomps face. |
| 22:45 | < Soren> | https://www.dropbox.com/s/1c55n2qgp10lsd9/Screen%20Shot%202014-03-24%20at%206.38 .46%20PM.png Named some frigates. |
| 22:45 | < Ced23Ric> | "Satan From Orbit" |
| 22:45 | < Soren> | That might be a stock name for the mod. |
| 22:45 | < Soren> | Iām not sure. |
| 22:47 | < Ced23Ric> | "ISS Anyone's Guess" was one of mine. |
| 22:47 | < Ced23Ric> | I liked that. |
| 22:52 | < Soren> | āMonkey Smugglerā and āWake The Snakeā are my current best. |
| 22:56 | < Soren> | Oh, missile-armed Herons are not really worth it, sadly. |
| 22:56 | < Soren> | Theyāre too valuable as gun platforms. |
| 22:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Herons. I dunno. |
| 22:57 | < Ced23Ric> | But then again, my Neutrino Carrier is a destroyer in disguise, too. |
| 22:57 | < Soren> | Yeah. |
| 22:57 | < Ced23Ric> | "Mobile Frame Zero: Bravo Defense would work well as the Tank/infantry one, it could be fluffed as whats happening in the bases when they are being captured by Frames, and you could claim that while the frames battle each other the smaller tanks and infantry are just sort of running around below/ being transported in." |
| 22:58 | < Ced23Ric> | "Of maybe they are used for missions where the area needs to remain mostly in tact for strategic reasons, while frames sort of Cool-aid man through walls and building, would hate for that to happen at a Radioactive research Facility." |
| 23:01 | < Soren> | Iād forgotten the magical stuff that pops up in 4chan threads. |
| 23:01 | < Ced23Ric> | It's great at times. |
| 23:08 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/pirateslol.png |
| 23:08 | < Ced23Ric> | Neutral my ass. |
| 23:09 | < Ced23Ric> | Those fuckers declared a war against me. |
| 23:09 | < Ced23Ric> | There can be only one punishment. |
| 23:09 | < Ced23Ric> | Extinction. |
| 23:18 | < Soren> | Time to render them down into a very fine meat paste. |
| 23:18 | < Soren> | marinara-smooth. |
| 23:26 | < Soren> | https://www.dropbox.com/s/083xrxbj6g1fns8/Edge-class%20Frigate%2001.jpg |
| 23:26 | < Soren> | https://www.dropbox.com/s/ca5ukdleduqez1d/Edge-class%20Frigate%2002.jpg |
| 23:26 | < Soren> | https://www.dropbox.com/s/7hnglk73tsowqz7/Edge-class%20Frigate%2003.jpg |
| 23:36 | < Ced23Ric> | alright, I should go to bed. |
| 23:38 | < Soren> | Yes. |
| 23:38 | < Ced23Ric> | You have a good one, Soren. |
| 23:38 | < Ced23Ric> | Talk to you when I do. |
| 23:39 | < Soren> | you too. |
| 23:39 | < Soren> | later. |
| 23:39 | < Ced23Ric> | PS: I can't believe I ordered that felt. |
| 23:39 | < Ced23Ric> | PPS: And then the girlfriend of my roomie agreed to cut it in perfect 48" circles for me. |
| 23:39 | < Ced23Ric> | PPPS: And then she agreed to make me rivers, beaches, sandpits and so on. |
| 23:39 | < Ced23Ric> | PPPPS: That's a lot of felt. |
| 23:39 | < Soren> | I guess youāre just lucky! |
| 23:40 | < Ced23Ric> | Night, night! ;) |
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