| --- Log opened Sat Apr 26 00:00:04 2014 |
| --- Day changed Sat Apr 26 2014 |
| 00:00 | < Ced23Ric> | Silently lurking? :D |
| 00:00 | < Ced23Ric> | Ugh, the next page(s) will be frame systems. |
| 00:00 | < Ced23Ric> | I am not sure I can do that right now. |
| 00:00 | < FlakManiak> | Hmm... Yeah, I should use those old designs I'd shelved for black and white guys #5-8. |
| 00:01 | < FlakManiak> | One factual thing: Don't you get five SSRs in a battle? |
| 00:02 | < Soren> | Iām pretty sure itās always three. |
| 00:03 | < Ced23Ric> | Always 3, regardless of size. |
| 00:03 | < Ced23Ric> | You can add more, which favours attackers, or less, which favours defenders. |
| 00:03 | < Ced23Ric> | Or ... favours attackers less, if you will. |
| 00:03 | < FlakManiak> | Huh, I thought it was five. Wonder where I got that. |
| 00:03 | < FlakManiak> | (For battle only, of course) |
| 00:05 | < Jandy> | Oh hey Cedric |
| 00:06 | < Jandy> | I was redirected from Mantis King's blog, I'm sorta half watching wreslting, half scoping out the action here |
| 00:06 | < Jandy> | *wrasslin' |
| 00:07 | < Ced23Ric> | 'h'rasslin', as a friend of mine from Georgia pronounces it. |
| 00:07 | < Jandy> | :D |
| 00:07 | < Jandy> | Does anyone post their frames/games on Flickr? |
| 00:08 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh boy, do they ever. |
| 00:08 | < Ced23Ric> | There is a MFZ FlickR group, too. |
| 00:08 | < Ced23Ric> | You should join that. |
| 00:08 | < Jandy> | There's a good chance I'm following a few already |
| 00:08 | < Ced23Ric> | And in general, follow all the awesome builders we have. |
| 00:08 | < Jandy> | I'm in the group, I'm Jandyman on Flickr |
| 00:08 | < Soren> | I post everything, although Iām moving over to Tumblr for a bunch of reasons. |
| 00:08 | < Ced23Ric> | Games, not so much, but you can see some after action reports on the forums. |
| 00:08 | < Ced23Ric> | "Forums? What forums, Cedric?" you may ask. |
| 00:08 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, I am glad you are so inquisitive. |
| 00:09 | < Ced23Ric> | http://mobileframehangar.com/ |
| 00:09 | < Ced23Ric> | There you go, JayJay! |
| 00:09 | < FlakManiak> | Oh hmm, I should join the Flickr group. |
| 00:09 | < FlakManiak> | I've just been a rogue Flickrer thus far. |
| 00:09 | < Jandy> | Nah I've joined the hangar too, took me two weeks while the registration window came back around >__> |
| 00:09 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren, are the reasons TumblR boobs or FlickR 'tards? |
| 00:10 | < Ced23Ric> | Or is it a column A, column B deal? |
| 00:10 | < Jandy> | And the dA group, I'm either Jandyman or Jandy on all of them. |
| 00:10 | < Ced23Ric> | There's a dA group, too? |
| 00:10 | < Soren> | Neither, although you know my feelings about filthy, filthy pornography. |
| 00:10 | < Soren> | Itās that the new Flickr layout breaks notes. |
| 00:10 | < Jandy> | Yup |
| 00:10 | < Ced23Ric> | ... but then egain, there is a reddit and a 4chan following aswell. |
| 00:10 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh. No bueno. |
| 00:10 | < Jandy> | yeah |
| 00:10 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm, filthy pronography ... *dreamy stare into the night* |
| 00:11 | < Jandy> | They're probably all populated by most of the same people :P |
| 00:11 | < Ced23Ric> | Actually ... the 'channers are quite isolated. |
| 00:11 | < Jandy> | Yeah, well... |
| 00:11 | < Ced23Ric> | Many of them don't have a second clue about the forums, FlickR or the reddit group. |
| 00:11 | < Jandy> | 'Channers. |
| 00:11 | < Ced23Ric> | Hey now. |
| 00:11 | < Soren> | 4chan is kind of the inbred Appalachian town of the internet. |
| 00:11 | < Ced23Ric> | You could be talking to some of them right meow. |
| 00:11 | < Ced23Ric> | No fair. |
| 00:11 | < Soren> | They donāt get out much, and the kids look funny. |
| 00:11 | < Ced23Ric> | There's some smart people there, too. |
| 00:12 | < Ced23Ric> | But I guess those moved there and weren't bor nthere. |
| 00:12 | < Soren> | Itās true. |
| 00:12 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren. ;_; |
| 00:12 | < Ced23Ric> | Give me motivation to sift through 1 page of text only describing systems. |
| 00:13 | < Ced23Ric> | Maybe I can throw some of that into tables, rather than flowing text. |
| 00:13 | < Ced23Ric> | Like I did with the RAAG sheet. |
| 00:13 | < Ced23Ric> | ... are tables god? |
| 00:13 | < Ced23Ric> | *good |
| 00:13 | < Soren> | That would be good, yeah. |
| 00:13 | < Ced23Ric> | Kay. |
| 00:14 | < Ced23Ric> | I'm at 11 pages right now. |
| 00:14 | < Ced23Ric> | 5 empty, mind you. |
| 00:14 | < Ced23Ric> | But I also made it half way through the first chapter. |
| 00:14 | < Ced23Ric> | *second chapter |
| 00:14 | < Ced23Ric> | I think when i am done, this document might not exceed 20 pages. |
| 00:15 | < Ced23Ric> | That'd be a lot more concise than the 235 original pages, I'd say. |
| 00:15 | < Ced23Ric> | Can I use the icons you made, by the way? |
| 00:15 | < Ced23Ric> | And: Do you want to be creditted for them? |
| 00:17 | < Soren> | Yes and yes. |
| 00:18 | < Ced23Ric> | Will do! |
| 00:23 | < Ced23Ric> | I appreciate your help. Be it idea bouncing or just as an grey eminence. |
| 00:24 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
| 00:24 | < Ced23Ric> | I guess I should finish the document before I release it to the forums, eh? |
| 00:24 | < Ced23Ric> | A WIP thing might not be appropriate. |
| 00:25 | < Jandy> | what is it you're writing? |
| 00:25 | < FlakManiak> | So do you think scores per asset need modifying? It seems to me like there can be a lot of really lopsided matchups when someone underbids by just one system. |
| 00:26 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, you know the core rulebook, right, Jandy? |
| 00:26 | < Ced23Ric> | It's 235 pages of information, lots of it white space, fluff, and the rule part itself is 59 pages littered throughout the document. |
| 00:26 | < Ced23Ric> | I am rewriting those 59 pages into a sequenced, concise document. |
| 00:27 | < Ced23Ric> | Flak: It gets even worse. Want to hear a nightmare matchup? |
| 00:27 | < Ced23Ric> | 8 frames, 27 systems vs. 7 frames, 28 systems. |
| 00:27 | < Ced23Ric> | Both get the same score per asset, 5, and the guy with more frames has the higher initiative. |
| 00:27 | < Ced23Ric> | So he has intiative AND activation advantage. |
| 00:28 | < Ced23Ric> | If that's combined with a spot-heavy splitrange D/A company, he can basically decide the battle from turn 1. |
| 00:28 | < Ced23Ric> | Because he can outdamage, outactivate and out-turn his opponent. |
| 00:28 | < Jandy> | Jeezo |
| 00:29 | < Ced23Ric> | That is why WW B Y Rd Ra is one of my favourite frames. |
| 00:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Alternatively WW G Y Rd Ra. |
| 00:30 | < FlakManiak> | I would have thought you'd like WW B YY Rd/Ra. |
| 00:30 | < Ced23Ric> | Yesno. Rather WW B Y Y Rd Rd SSR. |
| 00:30 | < Ced23Ric> | I call that the Captain loadout. |
| 00:30 | < Ced23Ric> | It's a great frame to go last in direct fire range, passing on the spotting chain to the Artillery. |
| 00:31 | < Ced23Ric> | Artillery, I prefer WW B Y Y Ra Ra. |
| 00:31 | < Ced23Ric> | All the spot, everywhere, forever. |
| 00:31 | < Ced23Ric> | Now combine that with having more frames and going first. |
| 00:31 | < Ced23Ric> | You can even lose a frame or a station and still go first in that matchup. |
| 00:32 | < Ced23Ric> | But what you do, naturally, is focusfire the poor sod. |
| 00:32 | < Ced23Ric> | You go first, shoot his point frame, he retaliates or activates a different frame of yours. Ideally, you shoot so he cannot retaliate to the source (i.e. Arty range). |
| 00:33 | < Ced23Ric> | Then you fire back with whatever he activated next, using your spot from before. |
| 00:33 | < Ced23Ric> | And than you pummel that frame 3 times - should do him in. |
| 00:33 | < Ced23Ric> | Since you stay most of the time in tactical order, you should be able to take out two of his frames turn one, three if the dice gods smile on you. |
| 00:33 | < FlakManiak> | Yeah, I definitely want to try a very shooting-heavy force that aims to go first, and whose goal is just "shoot 'em off the table". |
| 00:34 | < Ced23Ric> | And then you pass to him - leaving him with 3 or 4 frames against your 8. |
| 00:34 | < Ced23Ric> | That's round 1. |
| 00:34 | < Ced23Ric> | Round 2 is even worse, because you just repeat round 1. |
| 00:34 | < Ced23Ric> | And his assets die really fast. Even if you lose one frame, which is fair with 4 of his still active. |
| 00:35 | < Ced23Ric> | But you broadenend the gap so much, there is little he can do to catch up. |
| 00:35 | < Ced23Ric> | Even if he goes for stations or tries to melee you - you can still melee back and shred him with fire. |
| 00:35 | < Ced23Ric> | But that is probably the cuntiest way to play MFZ. |
| 00:35 | < Jandy> | It does sound pretty brutal |
| 00:36 | < Jandy> | And not a great deal of fun for the other guy |
| 00:36 | < FlakManiak> | That relies on facing an opponent with more systems but fewer frames, right? |
| 00:36 | < FlakManiak> | So you can't exactly expect that matchup all the time. |
| 00:36 | < FlakManiak> | But it does sound like it would be awful when it happens. |
| 00:36 | < FlakManiak> | Please fix. |
| 00:37 | < Jandy> | Isn't your load-out part of the tactics though? |
| 00:37 | < Jandy> | If the situation can happen then it's up to each player to gauge the other and try not to end up in that situation |
| 00:39 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh, the beauty is this. |
| 00:39 | < Ced23Ric> | More frames is not a problem. |
| 00:39 | < Ced23Ric> | You just take max frames. |
| 00:39 | < Ced23Ric> | Less systems isn't much of a problem. |
| 00:39 | < Ced23Ric> | Stay 2 below what a company with one frame less would have. |
| 00:40 | < Ced23Ric> | Usually, someone going 7 frames in an 8 frames match will not sacrifice more than that. |
| 00:40 | < Ced23Ric> | It's a gamble, true. |
| 00:40 | < Ced23Ric> | But 6 systems less is 6x 3 and 2x 4 for you. |
| 00:41 | < Ced23Ric> | Make that 5x WW BY Rd Rd, 1x W W B Y Rd/Ra, 2x WW B Y Y Ra Ra and you should be fine. |
| 00:41 | < Ced23Ric> | Now if your enemy draws equal with frames, you'll have score advantage, because systems. You go first. |
| 00:43 | < Ced23Ric> | If he draws equal with systems, but has less frames, he has 3+7 * 6 = 60 and you have 3+8 * 4 = 44. He'd go first, but you can out-activate him. If you kill 2 frames of his, he is down to 48, if you get 3, he is down to 42 and you go first. |
| 00:43 | < Ced23Ric> | The 8 frames / 26 systems deal is pretty brutal if it's loaded with spot and Rd/Ra mix, leaning towards Rd. |
| 00:44 | < Ced23Ric> | And I would not think twice about using all 3 SSRs round one. That's where you need to put the hurtin' on, because after that, it is smooth sailing. |
| 00:44 | < Ced23Ric> | But, again - that is all 1 vs. 1. |
| 00:44 | < Ced23Ric> | 3 player and more is a whole 'nother deal. |
| 00:44 | < Ced23Ric> | You won't be able to outgun two players. |
| 00:44 | < Ced23Ric> | There, you need to try to go for middle ground, reserve assets, let low and high duke it out and fall over the leftovers with a vengeance. |
| 00:45 | < Ced23Ric> | If you go offensive too soon, you will lose. |
| 00:45 | < Ced23Ric> | If you go to late, same. |
| 00:46 | < Ced23Ric> | *too |
| 00:49 | < Jandy> | 0__0 I'd turn into Tweek under all the pressure! |
| 00:49 | < Jandy> | I haven't managed to play yet. |
| 00:50 | < Jandy> | Just building frames and dreaming :P |
| 00:51 | < Ced23Ric> | That's the best part, secretly. |
| 00:51 | < Ced23Ric> | I built 5 companies of 8 frames, and numerous other frames on the side. |
| 00:52 | < Ced23Ric> | And terrain and wrote background to my companies, etc. pp. |
| 00:52 | < Ced23Ric> | Games? |
| 00:52 | < Ced23Ric> | I think I played ... 6. |
| 00:52 | < Ced23Ric> | All 1 vs 1. |
| 00:52 | < Ced23Ric> | But with this new document, some dice and a demokit, I hope to make a splash at a couple game stores in the city. |
| 00:58 | < Jandy> | Yeah a demo kit would be great. I did have a couple of 5 a side teams built when a friend expressed interest, but I recycled them after a while. |
| 01:00 | < Jandy> | I've built a few minifig-piloted mechs seeing as I wasn't getting far with an MFZ game, but they use a lot more pieces and I find it harder to recycle them than mobile frames |
| 01:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Do you live in any bigger city? |
| 01:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Got a local gaming store? |
| 01:02 | < Jandy> | Manchester UK, there is a place I contacted, one guy messaged me back but then kinda never got back to me again |
| 01:03 | < Jandy> | I'm moving to another city soon anyway, I'm thinking I'll be more successful there. |
| 01:06 | < Jandy> | I've posted on Find a Game topics in the groups & stuff too, it just doesn't seem to be much of a go here. |
| 01:06 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah ... Europe is pretty silent. |
| 01:06 | < Ced23Ric> | Mostly US players. |
| 01:07 | < Ced23Ric> | I'm a little exhausted when I am thinking about translating this piece into German, honestly. |
| 01:07 | < Ced23Ric> | But I guess I will have to. |
| 01:08 | < Jandy> | Yeah. I've seen a few spots in the UK, but not really anywhere I can go regularly right now. |
| 01:09 | < Jandy> | Flak Maniak do you have a Flickr page? |
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| 05:51 | < BlindAlchemist_> | mf0bot: help |
| 05:52 | < BlindAlchemist_> | mf0bot: mf0 rrRRRRgbyww |
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| 08:40 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh hai. |
| 13:59 | < Mantisking> | Hello? |
| 14:03 | < Ced23Ric> | Heya! :) |
| 14:09 | < Mantisking> | Hey. |
| 14:13 | < Mantisking> | I'm trying to watch/listen to the Hangout from last night. |
| 14:19 | < Mantisking> | What about you? |
| 14:21 | < Ced23Ric> | I'm still sitting over the rules. |
| 14:22 | < Ced23Ric> | It's getting slow, because I basically sit in a pile of words that are unsorted and all jumbled up. |
| 14:22 | < Ced23Ric> | It's a little bit like Legos. ;) |
| 14:24 | < Ced23Ric> | Buuuut ... I am making progress. |
| 14:25 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mfz_pg7_8.png |
| 14:25 | < Ced23Ric> | If you see anything that needs correction, please let me know. |
| 14:33 | < Mantisking> | It reads fine to me. |
| 14:35 | < Ced23Ric> | Okay, good. |
| 14:35 | < Ced23Ric> | On to page 9 and 10. |
| 14:41 | < Mantisking> | Ugh, I didn't even break 400 views yesterday. |
| 14:52 | < Ced23Ric> | On your blog? |
| 14:52 | < Ced23Ric> | It's a niche thing. :) |
| 14:59 | < Mantisking> | I've been trending high all week. I actually got 30 more views the day before with no new content. |
| 15:04 | < Ced23Ric> | Ha. I kept sending people over there, too. |
| 15:05 | < Mantisking> | Thanks. |
| 15:06 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, you have some good articles that are especially usefull for new players. |
| 15:06 | < Mantisking> | Anything in specific? |
| 15:06 | < Ced23Ric> | If there are any you want to expose a little, I can always put those up for the audience to look at. |
| 15:06 | < Ced23Ric> | I linked the scale one, then a pack analysis one, and some of your build coverage. |
| 15:07 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mfz_pg9_10.png |
| 15:07 | < Ced23Ric> | Went fast than I thought, these two. |
| 15:08 | < Ced23Ric> | *faster |
| 15:09 | < Mantisking> | Pack analysis? You mean a review? |
| 15:12 | < Mantisking> | Page 10, left column. Change "radiated" to "irradiated". |
| 15:12 | < Ced23Ric> | Yah, review. Where you take apart a kit. |
| 15:12 | < Ced23Ric> | Will do, thanks. |
| 15:13 | < Mantisking> | And I have to say, I do not like your frame notation. |
| 15:13 | < Ced23Ric> | That's fair. I think that point is quite ... subjective. |
| 15:13 | < Ced23Ric> | What's yours? |
| 15:13 | < Mantisking> | True. |
| 15:13 | < Mantisking> | We talked about it yesterday. |
| 15:13 | < Ced23Ric> | I feel like the WW at the beginning makes sense because that is where every frame starts. |
| 15:13 | < Ced23Ric> | Then in sequence of need. |
| 15:14 | < Ced23Ric> | B G R Y. |
| 15:14 | < Ced23Ric> | I should probably move the Y to the end, then, eh? |
| 15:14 | < Ced23Ric> | But if your reverse the order, it works just as fine. |
| 15:14 | < Ced23Ric> | The one thing I did not like about Josh's notation is the chemical formulas he's producing. |
| 15:15 | < Ced23Ric> | I guess that point is neither here nor there, really. It is not integral to the actual game. |
| 15:15 | < Mantisking> | True. It's not like people spout formulas when they're telling people how their frames are kitted out. |
| 15:16 | < Ced23Ric> | Heh, yeah. |
| 15:17 | < Ced23Ric> | "So, this RdRdWWBYG is gonna shoot now ..." |
| 15:17 | < Ced23Ric> | Rrrtrrrtvvvvbeewhygee. |
| 15:17 | < Ced23Ric> | It would be funny, though. |
| 15:17 | < Ced23Ric> | From the looks of it, I'll end up with about ... 40 pages. |
| 15:17 | < Ced23Ric> | 10 done. ;_; |
| 15:18 | < Ced23Ric> | Shoot me now. ;_; |
| 15:18 | < Mantisking> | !/4 of the way there. |
| 15:18 | < Mantisking> | Hey, you made the choice to do it. |
| 15:18 | < Mantisking> | :-) |
| 15:18 | < Mantisking> | There's one problem with getting build ideas down on to paper. |
| 15:19 | < Mantisking> | You don't feel the need to put things together as much because the idea is preserved. |
| 15:19 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh, by the way: I would like to put you in the credits, for both your insight and your proofreading. |
| 15:19 | < Ced23Ric> | Including a link to the blog. |
| 15:19 | < Ced23Ric> | Is that okay with you? |
| 15:19 | < Ced23Ric> | And if so, Prename "Moniker" Lastname, just Mantisking, just Ray...? |
| 15:20 | < Mantisking> | Sure, I'll take a shout out. |
| 15:20 | < Mantisking> | You can list me as Raymond "Mantisking" Bull. |
| 15:20 | < Ced23Ric> | Will do! |
| 15:21 | < Mantisking> | Thanks! |
| 15:25 | < Ced23Ric> | http://mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4350 |
| 15:25 | < Ced23Ric> | You saw that, right? |
| 15:25 | < Ced23Ric> | That deserves a shout-out. |
| 15:25 | < Ced23Ric> | If you put that on your blog, I can link that. |
| 15:27 | < Mantisking> | The quick demo rules? |
| 15:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah. |
| 15:29 | < Ced23Ric> | And the image the guy came up with. |
| 15:29 | < Ced23Ric> | I love quick reference sheets. |
| 15:36 | < Mantisking> | I'm still a little torn on them. |
| 15:36 | < Mantisking> | Just finished a HVA for my IO fleet. |
| 15:37 | < Ced23Ric> | What makes you torn? |
| 15:37 | < Ced23Ric> | I like them because they take the more confusing part - initiative and assymetry out of that particular game. |
| 15:39 | < Mantisking> | They are handy, I just feel that the rules get internalized pretty quickly and you don't need them anymore. |
| 15:42 | < Ced23Ric> | I guess that's valid for any player who wants to play. |
| 15:43 | < Ced23Ric> | But to put out the bait and reach new players that are indifferent, it has merit. |
| 15:46 | < Mantisking> | If they aren't pulled in by the Lego sitting on the table, I'm not sure what will get them. |
| 15:50 | < Ced23Ric> | Ha! |
| 15:50 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, there is a good chunk of people that want into Wargaming, but not shell out the hundreds of dollars for Warmahordes/Warhammer/etc. |
| 15:50 | < Ced23Ric> | Or, they don't want to have to glue and paint shit up, etc. |
| 15:53 | < Mantisking> | That's one of the things I love about MFZ, no paint. |
| 15:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah. Just pick the coloured bricks and do it. |
| 16:04 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mfz_altrules.png |
| 16:04 | < Ced23Ric> | Took a break from the combat chapter. |
| 16:04 | < Ced23Ric> | There's something lese. |
| 16:07 | < Mantisking> | I'd change "More or less Single Shot Rockets" to "Single Shot Rockets: More or Less". Right now it looks like an extraneous sentence referring to the paragraph above it, not a header. |
| 16:08 | < Ced23Ric> | Good point. |
| 16:11 | < Mantisking> | Other than that, the pages read well. |
| 16:13 | < Ced23Ric> | Okay, good. |
| 16:25 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
| 16:25 | < Ced23Ric> | Ray? |
| 16:26 | < Ced23Ric> | There is a loophole in Josh's rules. |
| 16:26 | < Ced23Ric> | I wanna run that by you real quick and check what you think. |
| 16:26 | < Ced23Ric> | 4 players meet. |
| 16:26 | < Mantisking> | Okay. |
| 16:27 | < Ced23Ric> | 1st: 4 frames, full systems, 2 stations. |
| 16:27 | < Ced23Ric> | 1st: 3 frames, full systems, 2 stations. |
| 16:27 | < Ced23Ric> | *2nd |
| 16:27 | < Ced23Ric> | 3rd: 3 frames, 8 systems, 2 stations. |
| 16:27 | < Ced23Ric> | 4th: 2 frames, 8 systems, 2 stations. |
| 16:27 | < Ced23Ric> | Ah, wait. |
| 16:27 | < Ced23Ric> | Only works in Battle. |
| 16:27 | < Ced23Ric> | So ... |
| 16:28 | < Ced23Ric> | 1st: 6 frames, full systems, 2 stations. |
| 16:28 | < Ced23Ric> | 2nd: 5 frames, full systems, 2 stations. |
| 16:28 | < Ced23Ric> | 3rd: 5 frames, 16 systems, 2 stations. |
| 16:28 | < Ced23Ric> | 4th: 4 frames, 16 systems, 2 stations. |
| 16:28 | < Ced23Ric> | Score would be: |
| 16:28 | < Ced23Ric> | 1st: 8*3 = 24 |
| 16:29 | < Ced23Ric> | 2nd: 7*4 = 28 |
| 16:29 | < Ced23Ric> | 3rd: 7*5 = 35 |
| 16:29 | < Ced23Ric> | 4th: 6*7 = 42 |
| 16:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
| 16:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Nevermind. |
| 16:29 | < Ced23Ric> | I thought the 3rd would come out with more points. |
| 16:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Than the 4th, that is. |
| 16:30 | < Mantisking> | 1st should be 8*4=32. Least systems -1. |
| 16:30 | < Ced23Ric> | I guess the imbalance really only happens with 2 players. |
| 16:30 | < Ced23Ric> | But he also has most frames, -1 |
| 16:31 | < Mantisking> | I'm looking at that first list, sorry. |
| 16:31 | < Ced23Ric> | Yah, ignore that. |
| 16:31 | < Ced23Ric> | Sorry, my bad. |
| 16:32 | < Ced23Ric> | It really only happens in 2 player that someone with most assets could have more points then the weaker party. |
| 16:33 | < Mantisking> | Okay. |
| 16:33 | < Ced23Ric> | 8 frames, -5 systems less than max vs. 7 frames, full systems. |
| 16:34 | < Ced23Ric> | Both get 5 ppa. |
| 16:34 | < Ced23Ric> | Then it's 11 * 5 vs. 10 * 5. |
| 16:37 | < Mantisking> | I'd say it's a fringe case. |
| 16:38 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah. Especially since 1vs.1 is not the main focus anyway. |
| 16:39 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh WOW. |
| 16:39 | < Ced23Ric> | https://www.flickr.com/photos/archammer2/7377003404/ |
| 16:39 | < Ced23Ric> | This table is amazing. |
| 16:42 | < Mantisking> | I remember that. |
| 16:45 | < Ced23Ric> | I'll use that for the next 4chan thread. Heh. |
| 16:48 | < Mantisking> | Unh. Wasted an hour rewatching the first Hangout. |
| 17:05 | < Ced23Ric> | Uh-oh, wrong hangout? |
| 17:26 | < Mantisking> | Yup. Watched part of the second one. |
| 17:26 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mfz_pg11_12.png |
| 17:26 | < Mantisking> | Okay, gotta go. Time for food. Keep posting bits of the rewrite and I'll keep proofreading them. |
| 17:26 | < Ced23Ric> | Another pair done. |
| 17:26 | < Ced23Ric> | Thanks! |
| 17:26 | < Ced23Ric> | Enjoy your noms. |
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| 22:38 | < Ced23Ric> | oh boy. |
| 22:38 | < Ced23Ric> | OH BOY. |
| 22:39 | < Ced23Ric> | Ray, did you see the felt terrain thread? |
| 22:39 | < Ced23Ric> | I found a place here where I can get a 6ft wide roll of felt, 3ft increments (so, 6'x3', 6'x6', etc...) for 10 bucks. |
| 22:40 | < Ced23Ric> | In a myriad of colours. |
| 22:40 | < Mantisking> | Yup, I've seen it. |
| 22:41 | < Mantisking> | I replied to your re-written rules post on the Hangar. |
| 22:41 | < Ced23Ric> | ... oh god, now I feel like an idiot. |
| 22:41 | < Ced23Ric> | My most sincere apologies. |
| 22:43 | < Mantisking> | No prob. |
| 22:43 | < Ced23Ric> | If it makes any difference, I did link to your blog when I said I did. |
| 22:44 | < Mantisking> | {* shrug *} I'm not mad. |
| 22:47 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
| 22:47 | < Ced23Ric> | I wonder if you could use pink or purple felt for nebulas for Alpha Bandit. |
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