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00:04 | <+DeathZero> | rawr. |
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01:46 | <+FerrelFerret> | Wow, not much chatting... I can see my post form like 2 hours ago. :| |
01:53 | <+DeathZero> | :/ I'm occupied in LDD trying to work something out. |
02:08 | <+FerrelFerret> | Ahh |
02:08 | <+FerrelFerret> | Well, I'ma fo have Fajitas. :) |
02:08 | <+FerrelFerret> | <go> |
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02:24 | <+DeathZero> | fajitaaaaaaaas |
02:24 | <+DeathZero> | sup afny |
02:25 | < afny> | fajitas apparently |
02:28 | <+DeathZero> | ferret said he was having them, first thing I saw when I looked back over here. |
02:28 | < afny> | ferret has good taste |
02:28 | < afny> | in tasting. |
02:31 | <+DeathZero> | lol |
02:36 | <@Noah> | Where the hell is Wang |
02:36 | <@Noah> | He was all like "Fuck yea LoL!", and I was all like "FUCK YEA LoL!" then he was alike "lawl afk" |
02:39 | <+DeathZero> | what you guys think of this so far? http://www.flickr.com/photos/deathzero/7532121104/in/photostream |
02:40 | < afny> | I think the arms are way too thin at the bicep |
02:41 | <+DeathZero> | they're just the standard superchub arms. |
02:41 | <+DeathZero> | its missing a plate on the outside of the shoulders but thats cause LDD won't let me put it in even though I know it fits. |
02:41 | < afny> | but the super chub didn't have forearms like that |
02:42 | < afny> | it uses 3way 1x1z |
02:42 | < afny> | 1x1s* |
02:42 | < afny> | this is sort of related to what Soren was talking about earlier, but |
02:43 | < afny> | I don't think that connection is doing the work you want it to be doing |
02:43 | < afny> | it's not believable with a beefier forearm, though it works on on MoralWarfare's frame |
02:46 | <+DeathZero> | I think the arm will look fine if I can get the shoulders beefed out more. |
02:47 | <+DeathZero> | I was more interested in what you thought of the chest. |
02:49 | < afny> | the problem isn't the shoulder, it's the bit that's just a tape and tile clip |
02:49 | < afny> | the chest is pretty cool though |
02:50 | <+DeathZero> | yea, the claw/tap elbow is kinda weak. |
02:50 | < afny> | it's fine for frames that have dinky arms, but that thing is huge |
02:51 | < afny> | you could just |
02:51 | < afny> | shove the tap directly into the shoulder brick |
02:51 | < afny> | and put a tile clip on top of the forearm |
02:51 | < afny> | connect them that way |
02:51 | < afny> | you lose a LITTLE bit of length, but you can make it back with round 1x1s in between the tile clip and the forearm brick if you want |
02:52 | < afny> | keep the same articulation |
02:52 | < afny> | and it'll look more solid |
02:52 | <+DeathZero> | this was the look I was going for with the chest. |
02:52 | < afny> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/kyanosmoros/7425769854/in/photostream |
02:52 | < afny> | like this |
02:52 | <+DeathZero> | http://mahq.net/mecha/gundam/0080/ms-18e.htm |
02:53 | < afny> | I love the kampfer |
02:53 | <+DeathZero> | yea, I'll check that method out. |
02:53 | < afny> | you should work the head into the chest more then |
02:53 | < afny> | if you want to make it like the kampfer |
02:53 | <+DeathZero> | Yea, thats the big thing bothering me |
02:53 | <+DeathZero> | is the neck |
02:53 | < afny> | yeah, it's pretty noticable |
02:54 | < afny> | +e |
02:54 | <+DeathZero> | I think I've got an idea. |
03:00 | <+DeathZero> | meh, thats where I keep tearing it back down at, I'm having trouble coming up with a neck that'll let me use the chub style head. I've been thinking of going to a head more like mittens fat snakes though. |
03:00 | < afny> | I'm really into simple headlight heads lately |
03:01 | <+DeathZero> | I don't think that'll do the job here though. |
03:02 | < afny> | what you need is something with tile clips |
03:02 | < afny> | and a minifig hand |
03:02 | < afny> | for the fin |
03:03 | < afny> | this is obviously a little more Zeta inspired but |
03:03 | < afny> | http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1655755 |
03:03 | < afny> | shapes like that are very interesting |
03:03 | < afny> | and that head doesn't have a very huge profile |
03:04 | <+DeathZero> | I don't like the look of that head though, theres no eye. |
03:04 | < afny> | I don't think that's a concern at 7p scale |
03:04 | < afny> | it isn't for me anyway |
03:04 | <+DeathZero> | I like having the eye there. |
03:05 | < afny> | I try to build in detail when I can, but head minutia isn't important to me |
03:05 | < afny> | I much prefer the classic chub head over anything with plates wedged in the middle |
03:05 | < afny> | although I must admit I like Joshua's take on the chub head with the black 1x2 bar plate in the middle |
03:05 | <+DeathZero> | I don't think I've seen that. |
03:06 | < afny> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshuaacnewman/6914827413/in/photostream |
03:07 | < afny> | I thought about using that head for my UMFL grunts but I went with the Tautogs instead |
03:08 | <+DeathZero> | I like it better than the standard chub head. |
03:09 | <+DeathZero> | I like having an eye on the head though. |
03:11 | < afny> | at 7p scale I've always found the seam between the two bits on the standard chub head to be a pretty good impressionistic interpretation of eye sensors |
03:11 | < afny> | I think building in the eye detail means sacrificing the outline, but it's just personal preference |
03:11 | < afny> | I just think it looks odd |
03:11 | < afny> | I like the style where it's JUST the boat bumper and then 1p worth of detail plates though |
03:12 | < afny> | and no bottom round 2x2 plate |
03:12 | <+DeathZero> | thats what I use, the bumper and then the eye is part of the 1p worth of detail plates. |
03:12 | <+DeathZero> | theres no bottom 2x2 round. |
03:12 | < afny> | yeah but your neck is huge |
03:13 | <+DeathZero> | yea. :/ |
03:16 | <+DeathZero> | bah, I think I need a break. |
03:16 | < afny> | fajitas. |
03:17 | <+DeathZero> | lol. |
03:22 | <@randolph> | hey noah |
03:22 | <@randolph> | you around? |
03:23 | <+DeathZero> | back in a bit. |
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03:36 | <@Noah> | Yea |
03:38 | <@randolph> | do you have Arsclan's vent info? |
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03:42 | <@randolph> | do you have Arsclan's vent info? |
03:42 | < Noah> | I do not |
03:43 | < Noah> | Also, sec |
03:44 | < Noah> | Windows needs my permission to scratch its own ass, but some malware gets installed and it's too busy fucking off to do anything about it |
03:45 | < Noah> | Okay, I'm stable now |
03:55 | | * Noah pokes Wang |
03:57 | <@randolph> | k, sec, lemme get you vent info |
04:18 | <@randolph> | afny you there? |
04:18 | < afny> | yea |
04:18 | <@randolph> | we're setting up a lol game in about 10m |
04:18 | <@randolph> | lemme fire mumble info at you |
04:18 | < afny> | that's like 1 for me |
04:18 | < afny> | i'm going to bed soon |
04:18 | <@randolph> | oh |
04:18 | < afny> | so go forth |
04:18 | <@randolph> | wait, thought you were in NY |
04:18 | < Noah> | 1? lol |
04:18 | <@randolph> | it should be like 11 |
04:19 | < Noah> | I thought you were EST like me |
04:19 | < afny> | oh |
04:19 | < afny> | I read that as |
04:19 | < afny> | 10pm |
04:19 | <@randolph> | heh |
04:19 | < afny> | not |
04:19 | < afny> | 10m |
04:19 | < Noah> | lol |
04:19 | < afny> | i'm still going to bed though |
04:19 | <@randolph> | >_< |
04:19 | < Noah> | Lame |
04:19 | < afny> | I'm still on tilt from earlier anyway |
04:19 | <@randolph> | what happened? |
04:20 | <@randolph> | What *else* did I miss |
04:20 | < afny> | just lost some ARAMS |
04:20 | < afny> | and blackscreened a few times |
04:20 | <@randolph> | ... oh |
04:20 | < Noah> | And his flux capacitor jammed |
04:20 | < afny> | Oh yeah I was going to yell at you earlier |
04:20 | < afny> | don't use queer as an insult, what is this, highschool? |
04:21 | < afny> | I was too busy losing at arams to rant |
04:21 | < Noah> | Bah, I wasn't insulting Cedric |
04:21 | < afny> | not the point at all |
04:22 | < Noah> | Well, I like the word queer, so I'm going to use it |
04:23 | < Noah> | Hell, they say it on Adventure Time, so I think it's fine to use now |
04:23 | < afny> | they don't say it like that. |
04:23 | < afny> | "What sort of queer handle is that" equates to "nice pink lunchbox, faggot" |
04:23 | < afny> | not "how odd, Jake!" |
04:24 | < afny> | You can use whatever words you want however you want, but I'm just sayin' |
04:24 | < afny> | it's not cool. |
04:24 | < Noah> | Funny, you seem to have read deep into the bits and bytes and found some kind way of finding the intended meaning of a word I used |
04:24 | < Noah> | I'm sure there are some scientists who would like to have a talk with you about your datamining methods |
04:25 | < afny> | Don't have to read too hard into people using the word "queer" disparagingly. |
04:25 | < afny> | People do it all the time. |
04:25 | < Noah> | However, if I was going to call Cedric, even playfully, a rainbow-lazor firing fag, I'd just do so. |
04:26 | < afny> | Again, not about Cedric |
04:26 | < afny> | he's a big boy |
04:26 | < afny> | he's got big manly insults and he can stand up for himself |
04:26 | < afny> | I'm just speaking on principle. |
04:27 | < Noah> | And I'm explaining that the word queer, is not as bad as you're making it out to be |
04:28 | < afny> | And I'm saying you can't possibly know the damage words like that do. |
04:29 | < Noah> | I do know the damage people choose to take upon themselves in offense to one thing or another. As I've explained before. I can say, and mean, a lot worse, with far more vulgarity, without using a single "bad" word. |
04:29 | < afny> | That's exactly the issue. You don't MEAN anything bad by it. |
04:30 | < afny> | That's the problem with throwing words like queer or fag around even when you don't "mean" it in that way. |
04:30 | < afny> | It DOES mean those things, you just don't consider it. |
04:30 | < Noah> | What I MEAN by anything I said is my business. However, anyone can ASK if malice was meant by what I may say, and 95% of the time, I'll say of course not |
04:30 | < afny> | But what you mean doesn't matter. |
04:30 | < afny> | It's what you say. |
04:31 | < afny> | You weren't even insulting anyone directly. Like I said, that's not the point. |
04:32 | < afny> | Hypothetical. You use the word queer around the house as an insult. You know who else does that? Kids. In every age group. Say one of your kids turns out to be "queer". They're getting that shit from their peers, and they're hearing it at home. Of course you don't mean anything by it, but that's not how they perceive it. |
04:33 | < afny> | Not saying you would ever do that, but I'm just trying to illustrate the fact that connotations go above and beyond the intended meaning when it comes to words. All words. |
04:41 | < Noah> | That depends on the mindset and mental frailty of the individual. I do not believe it is the responsibility of the speaker to account for the possible offense of anyone within earshot, but it should lie on the listener to understand the context and the intonation of what he or she hears. |
04:43 | < afny> | You can't expect a child to understand the greater context of charged words, and you can't assume anything about a child's mindset. |
04:43 | < afny> | Even outside of that scenario, what an astute listener hears in context is ignorance. |
04:44 | < Noah> | Perhaps, but being as this is an IRC channel, and a public forum, I expect anyone to be here to be able to handle anything they may hear. That's our atmosphere. |
04:44 | < Noah> | afk LoL |
04:44 | < afny> | There's a difference between crass jokes and the discussion of dickweasels in their natural habitat |
04:44 | < afny> | and actually being ignorant in speech. |
04:45 | < afny> | Also, HOW CAN YOU PLAY LOL IF YOU LEAVE YOUR KEYBOARD |
04:45 | < afny> | you will not be credit to team. |
04:45 | < Noah> | this is true |
04:45 | < afny> | report afk leaver |
04:45 | < afny> | umg afk report. |
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06:11 | <@Ced23Ric> | o/ |
06:11 | < Noah> | Yo |
06:11 | <@Ced23Ric> | I am melting. D: |
06:12 | < Noah> | And on a weird connection |
06:12 | <@Ced23Ric> | @p54BD3B15.dip.t-dialin.net 84.189.59.21 ? |
06:13 | <@Ced23Ric> | Pretty standard for Germany. |
06:13 | <@Ced23Ric> | T-Com DSL dialin. |
06:13 | < Noah> | Ah, I'm used to seeing you on a .de domain |
06:13 | < Noah> | And probably too wrapped up in myself to notice when you're not |
06:14 | <@Ced23Ric> | I come from multiple connections. Depending on where I am. :D |
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06:19 | <+DeathZero> | yo. |
06:32 | < afny> | http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1776 |
06:32 | < afny> | this is pretty sick |
06:34 | < afny> | needs to lose the saber but other than that |
06:35 | < afny> | only slightly disturbed by the EXTREMELY overt military allegory |
06:36 | < afny> | anyway...I'm going to bed now. |
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06:36 | <+DeathZero> | lol. |
06:36 | <+DeathZero> | yea |
06:36 | <+DeathZero> | think I should do the same. |
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15:40 | < DeathZero> | g'mornin |
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18:24 | | mode/#mf0 [+v afny] by Soren |
19:15 | < DeathZero> | blarg. |
19:17 | <@Soren> | gross, you almost got my shoes. |
19:21 | < DeathZero> | :D |
19:25 | < DeathZero> | so how's it goin today? |
19:30 | <@Soren> | It's going sleepily - I'm about to turn in. |
19:32 | <@Soren> | starting some drama that's likely to make a lot of people unhappy. |
19:32 | < DeathZero> | Ah, well have a good night., its only about 2pm here. |
19:32 | < DeathZero> | Yea, I saw that thread. Was curious like Xail about the why |
19:34 | <@Soren> | well, more later, but it seems only fair to explicate what Joshua (who has a poor grasp of the subject) means when he slings the word 'fascism' around. |
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19:35 | <@Soren> | ...and Malcolm shows up just as I want to go to bed. |
19:35 | <@Soren> | Life is not fair. |
19:36 | < Malcolm> | I'm not sure how I can prevent you going to bed through the intertron |
19:36 | <+afny> | if only they'd invented smell-o-net. |
19:36 | <@Soren> | It's less that you can prevent me and more that you're an excellent person and I would like to talk. |
19:36 | < Malcolm> | Don't wish for that: my dinner is currently drowned in sriracha |
19:36 | <@Soren> | num num num |
19:37 | <+afny> | I haven't bought any yet! I'll go to the store today. |
19:39 | <+afny> | I'm going to keep linking your links in that thread so people actually read them |
19:39 | <+afny> | they are SEMI REQUIRED, after all. |
19:39 | <@Soren> | hah |
19:39 | < Malcolm> | @Soren Having turned to Roger Griffin's 'The Nature of Fascism' for the first time in years, I'm being reminded of how painful his definition of the phenomenon is |
19:39 | <@Soren> | I expect one in five of the people who post to actually read it. |
19:40 | <@Soren> | it's painful, but much more useful than a less precise, more elegant one. |
19:40 | < Malcolm> | True enough. And his book remains a very good piece of work. |
19:40 | <@Soren> | Nobody ever said that developing a Grand Unified Theory of Wingnut was going to be painless. |
19:41 | < Malcolm> | Dammit, I was therefore missold on this caper |
19:41 | <@Soren> | Alas. |
19:41 | <@Soren> | we should tape up a sign. |
19:42 | <@Soren> | "Masochists and pain-sluts only, please." |
19:42 | <@Soren> | holy butts on toast it is late. |
19:42 | <@Soren> | I'm going to sleep in five minutes, and I want to be in bed for it. |
19:42 | <@Soren> | g'night! |
19:42 | | Soren is now known as Soren|away |
19:42 | <+afny> | o/ |
19:42 | < Malcolm> | NIghty night |
20:12 | <+afny> | not sure if head hurts because of caffeine |
20:12 | <+afny> | or because of not enough caffeine. |
20:12 | <+afny> | ._. |
20:13 | < Malcolm> | Have another coffee to test your thesis |
20:13 | < Malcolm> | Hypothesis, I should say |
20:14 | <+afny> | Yes, I'm a fan of the scientific method |
20:14 | <+afny> | the kettle is already boiling |
20:14 | <+afny> | brb |
20:15 | <+afny> | right |
20:15 | <+afny> | maybe I should build something. |
20:24 | < DeathZero> | I was trying to build until I was instructed to go read something. o_o |
20:25 | <+afny> | knowledge is power |
20:26 | < DeathZero> | Aye, its interesting to know the writers motivations. |
20:26 | < DeathZero> | and what they were trying to say. |
20:26 | <+afny> | I mean, you always have to take those things with a grain of salt |
20:26 | <+afny> | especially when you're talking about ANIME SCHOLARS |
20:26 | <+afny> | but I think that excerpt particularly is pretty insightful |
20:26 | < DeathZero> | Yea, I read that and was like. "Thats a thing you can be?" |
20:27 | <+afny> | The select few. |
20:27 | <+afny> | The few. The proud. The anime scholars. |
20:27 | < DeathZero> | lmao. |
20:27 | <@randolph> | You can get a degree online from University of Phoenix |
20:27 | <+afny> | I mean, I think it's a legitimate field, I'm not trashing them |
20:28 | <+afny> | it's just so small that there's not likely to be a large quantity of useful discussion |
20:28 | <@randolph> | (Note: Not actually a degree) |
20:28 | < DeathZero> | yea. |
20:44 | <~McMartin> | Wouldn't anime scholarship properly just be a thing narratologists do? |
20:45 | <+afny> | Well the piece I was talking about wasn't even really about anime |
20:45 | <+afny> | it was about fiction in post-war Japan |
20:45 | <+afny> | so to answer your question |
20:45 | <+afny> | yes. |
20:45 | <~McMartin> | Heh |
20:45 | <~McMartin> | Also scholars of Japanese literature, language, sociology... |
20:46 | < Malcolm> | There are a couple of people in our English lit dept here at my uni who have an interest in such things. And I'm sure there's someone in cultural anthropology looking into it. |
20:46 | < Malcolm> | In the history dept, not so much.... |
20:46 | | * McMartin has a popular history of the Meiji period-through-WWII kicking around somewhere on his bookshelf. |
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21:57 | < DeathZero> | woo. |
21:58 | < DeathZero> | Got a couple of Grasshopper's walls bricked up. |
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23:28 | <+afny> | hey Mantis |
23:29 | < Mantisking> | Hey. |
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23:43 | <+afny> | urgh I want to build |
23:43 | <+afny> | but I've polished these companies so much |
23:43 | <+afny> | I don't know which one to break down |
23:45 | < Mantisking> | Do you have enough pictures so that you can rebuild them in the future if you wish? |
23:47 | <+afny> | Yeah, but eh |
23:47 | <+afny> | probably wouldn't do that |
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23:49 | < Mantisking> | If you don't want to break them down, then buy more parts. |
23:50 | <+afny> | nah, I mean |
23:50 | <+afny> | I'll end up breaking some of them down |
23:50 | <+afny> | I just doubt I'll rebuild them |
23:50 | <+afny> | Buy more parts! Hah. |
23:51 | <+afny> | I dunno, as long as I have 12 for the demo kit, I can break down the others |
23:51 | <+afny> | but I feel like rebuilding frames I've built before would be boring |
23:57 | < Mantisking> | There is that. |
23:57 | < Mantisking> | I tend to keep one of each frame I've built sitting on the bookcase. |
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