mf0 logs -> 2012 -> Mon, 09 Jul 2012< mf0.20120708.log - mf0.20120710.log >
--- Log opened Mon Jul 09 00:00:49 2012
00:04
<+DeathZero>
rawr.
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01:46
<+FerrelFerret>
Wow, not much chatting... I can see my post form like 2 hours ago. :|
01:53
<+DeathZero>
:/ I'm occupied in LDD trying to work something out.
02:08
<+FerrelFerret>
Ahh
02:08
<+FerrelFerret>
Well, I'ma fo have Fajitas. :)
02:08
<+FerrelFerret>
<go>
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02:24
<+DeathZero>
fajitaaaaaaaas
02:24
<+DeathZero>
sup afny
02:25
< afny>
fajitas apparently
02:28
<+DeathZero>
ferret said he was having them, first thing I saw when I looked back over here.
02:28
< afny>
ferret has good taste
02:28
< afny>
in tasting.
02:31
<+DeathZero>
lol
02:36
<@Noah>
Where the hell is Wang
02:36
<@Noah>
He was all like "Fuck yea LoL!", and I was all like "FUCK YEA LoL!" then he was alike "lawl afk"
02:39
<+DeathZero>
what you guys think of this so far? http://www.flickr.com/photos/deathzero/7532121104/in/photostream
02:40
< afny>
I think the arms are way too thin at the bicep
02:41
<+DeathZero>
they're just the standard superchub arms.
02:41
<+DeathZero>
its missing a plate on the outside of the shoulders but thats cause LDD won't let me put it in even though I know it fits.
02:41
< afny>
but the super chub didn't have forearms like that
02:42
< afny>
it uses 3way 1x1z
02:42
< afny>
1x1s*
02:42
< afny>
this is sort of related to what Soren was talking about earlier, but
02:43
< afny>
I don't think that connection is doing the work you want it to be doing
02:43
< afny>
it's not believable with a beefier forearm, though it works on on MoralWarfare's frame
02:46
<+DeathZero>
I think the arm will look fine if I can get the shoulders beefed out more.
02:47
<+DeathZero>
I was more interested in what you thought of the chest.
02:49
< afny>
the problem isn't the shoulder, it's the bit that's just a tape and tile clip
02:49
< afny>
the chest is pretty cool though
02:50
<+DeathZero>
yea, the claw/tap elbow is kinda weak.
02:50
< afny>
it's fine for frames that have dinky arms, but that thing is huge
02:51
< afny>
you could just
02:51
< afny>
shove the tap directly into the shoulder brick
02:51
< afny>
and put a tile clip on top of the forearm
02:51
< afny>
connect them that way
02:51
< afny>
you lose a LITTLE bit of length, but you can make it back with round 1x1s in between the tile clip and the forearm brick if you want
02:52
< afny>
keep the same articulation
02:52
< afny>
and it'll look more solid
02:52
<+DeathZero>
this was the look I was going for with the chest.
02:52
< afny>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kyanosmoros/7425769854/in/photostream
02:52
< afny>
like this
02:52
<+DeathZero>
http://mahq.net/mecha/gundam/0080/ms-18e.htm
02:53
< afny>
I love the kampfer
02:53
<+DeathZero>
yea, I'll check that method out.
02:53
< afny>
you should work the head into the chest more then
02:53
< afny>
if you want to make it like the kampfer
02:53
<+DeathZero>
Yea, thats the big thing bothering me
02:53
<+DeathZero>
is the neck
02:53
< afny>
yeah, it's pretty noticable
02:54
< afny>
+e
02:54
<+DeathZero>
I think I've got an idea.
03:00
<+DeathZero>
meh, thats where I keep tearing it back down at, I'm having trouble coming up with a neck that'll let me use the chub style head. I've been thinking of going to a head more like mittens fat snakes though.
03:00
< afny>
I'm really into simple headlight heads lately
03:01
<+DeathZero>
I don't think that'll do the job here though.
03:02
< afny>
what you need is something with tile clips
03:02
< afny>
and a minifig hand
03:02
< afny>
for the fin
03:03
< afny>
this is obviously a little more Zeta inspired but
03:03
< afny>
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1655755
03:03
< afny>
shapes like that are very interesting
03:03
< afny>
and that head doesn't have a very huge profile
03:04
<+DeathZero>
I don't like the look of that head though, theres no eye.
03:04
< afny>
I don't think that's a concern at 7p scale
03:04
< afny>
it isn't for me anyway
03:04
<+DeathZero>
I like having the eye there.
03:05
< afny>
I try to build in detail when I can, but head minutia isn't important to me
03:05
< afny>
I much prefer the classic chub head over anything with plates wedged in the middle
03:05
< afny>
although I must admit I like Joshua's take on the chub head with the black 1x2 bar plate in the middle
03:05
<+DeathZero>
I don't think I've seen that.
03:06
< afny>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshuaacnewman/6914827413/in/photostream
03:07
< afny>
I thought about using that head for my UMFL grunts but I went with the Tautogs instead
03:08
<+DeathZero>
I like it better than the standard chub head.
03:09
<+DeathZero>
I like having an eye on the head though.
03:11
< afny>
at 7p scale I've always found the seam between the two bits on the standard chub head to be a pretty good impressionistic interpretation of eye sensors
03:11
< afny>
I think building in the eye detail means sacrificing the outline, but it's just personal preference
03:11
< afny>
I just think it looks odd
03:11
< afny>
I like the style where it's JUST the boat bumper and then 1p worth of detail plates though
03:12
< afny>
and no bottom round 2x2 plate
03:12
<+DeathZero>
thats what I use, the bumper and then the eye is part of the 1p worth of detail plates.
03:12
<+DeathZero>
theres no bottom 2x2 round.
03:12
< afny>
yeah but your neck is huge
03:13
<+DeathZero>
yea. :/
03:16
<+DeathZero>
bah, I think I need a break.
03:16
< afny>
fajitas.
03:17
<+DeathZero>
lol.
03:22
<@randolph>
hey noah
03:22
<@randolph>
you around?
03:23
<+DeathZero>
back in a bit.
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03:36
<@Noah>
Yea
03:38
<@randolph>
do you have Arsclan's vent info?
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<@randolph>
do you have Arsclan's vent info?
03:42
< Noah>
I do not
03:43
< Noah>
Also, sec
03:44
< Noah>
Windows needs my permission to scratch its own ass, but some malware gets installed and it's too busy fucking off to do anything about it
03:45
< Noah>
Okay, I'm stable now
03:55 * Noah pokes Wang
03:57
<@randolph>
k, sec, lemme get you vent info
04:18
<@randolph>
afny you there?
04:18
< afny>
yea
04:18
<@randolph>
we're setting up a lol game in about 10m
04:18
<@randolph>
lemme fire mumble info at you
04:18
< afny>
that's like 1 for me
04:18
< afny>
i'm going to bed soon
04:18
<@randolph>
oh
04:18
< afny>
so go forth
04:18
<@randolph>
wait, thought you were in NY
04:18
< Noah>
1? lol
04:18
<@randolph>
it should be like 11
04:19
< Noah>
I thought you were EST like me
04:19
< afny>
oh
04:19
< afny>
I read that as
04:19
< afny>
10pm
04:19
<@randolph>
heh
04:19
< afny>
not
04:19
< afny>
10m
04:19
< Noah>
lol
04:19
< afny>
i'm still going to bed though
04:19
<@randolph>
>_<
04:19
< Noah>
Lame
04:19
< afny>
I'm still on tilt from earlier anyway
04:19
<@randolph>
what happened?
04:20
<@randolph>
What *else* did I miss
04:20
< afny>
just lost some ARAMS
04:20
< afny>
and blackscreened a few times
04:20
<@randolph>
... oh
04:20
< Noah>
And his flux capacitor jammed
04:20
< afny>
Oh yeah I was going to yell at you earlier
04:20
< afny>
don't use queer as an insult, what is this, highschool?
04:21
< afny>
I was too busy losing at arams to rant
04:21
< Noah>
Bah, I wasn't insulting Cedric
04:21
< afny>
not the point at all
04:22
< Noah>
Well, I like the word queer, so I'm going to use it
04:23
< Noah>
Hell, they say it on Adventure Time, so I think it's fine to use now
04:23
< afny>
they don't say it like that.
04:23
< afny>
"What sort of queer handle is that" equates to "nice pink lunchbox, faggot"
04:23
< afny>
not "how odd, Jake!"
04:24
< afny>
You can use whatever words you want however you want, but I'm just sayin'
04:24
< afny>
it's not cool.
04:24
< Noah>
Funny, you seem to have read deep into the bits and bytes and found some kind way of finding the intended meaning of a word I used
04:24
< Noah>
I'm sure there are some scientists who would like to have a talk with you about your datamining methods
04:25
< afny>
Don't have to read too hard into people using the word "queer" disparagingly.
04:25
< afny>
People do it all the time.
04:25
< Noah>
However, if I was going to call Cedric, even playfully, a rainbow-lazor firing fag, I'd just do so.
04:26
< afny>
Again, not about Cedric
04:26
< afny>
he's a big boy
04:26
< afny>
he's got big manly insults and he can stand up for himself
04:26
< afny>
I'm just speaking on principle.
04:27
< Noah>
And I'm explaining that the word queer, is not as bad as you're making it out to be
04:28
< afny>
And I'm saying you can't possibly know the damage words like that do.
04:29
< Noah>
I do know the damage people choose to take upon themselves in offense to one thing or another. As I've explained before. I can say, and mean, a lot worse, with far more vulgarity, without using a single "bad" word.
04:29
< afny>
That's exactly the issue. You don't MEAN anything bad by it.
04:30
< afny>
That's the problem with throwing words like queer or fag around even when you don't "mean" it in that way.
04:30
< afny>
It DOES mean those things, you just don't consider it.
04:30
< Noah>
What I MEAN by anything I said is my business. However, anyone can ASK if malice was meant by what I may say, and 95% of the time, I'll say of course not
04:30
< afny>
But what you mean doesn't matter.
04:30
< afny>
It's what you say.
04:31
< afny>
You weren't even insulting anyone directly. Like I said, that's not the point.
04:32
< afny>
Hypothetical. You use the word queer around the house as an insult. You know who else does that? Kids. In every age group. Say one of your kids turns out to be "queer". They're getting that shit from their peers, and they're hearing it at home. Of course you don't mean anything by it, but that's not how they perceive it.
04:33
< afny>
Not saying you would ever do that, but I'm just trying to illustrate the fact that connotations go above and beyond the intended meaning when it comes to words. All words.
04:41
< Noah>
That depends on the mindset and mental frailty of the individual. I do not believe it is the responsibility of the speaker to account for the possible offense of anyone within earshot, but it should lie on the listener to understand the context and the intonation of what he or she hears.
04:43
< afny>
You can't expect a child to understand the greater context of charged words, and you can't assume anything about a child's mindset.
04:43
< afny>
Even outside of that scenario, what an astute listener hears in context is ignorance.
04:44
< Noah>
Perhaps, but being as this is an IRC channel, and a public forum, I expect anyone to be here to be able to handle anything they may hear. That's our atmosphere.
04:44
< Noah>
afk LoL
04:44
< afny>
There's a difference between crass jokes and the discussion of dickweasels in their natural habitat
04:44
< afny>
and actually being ignorant in speech.
04:45
< afny>
Also, HOW CAN YOU PLAY LOL IF YOU LEAVE YOUR KEYBOARD
04:45
< afny>
you will not be credit to team.
04:45
< Noah>
this is true
04:45
< afny>
report afk leaver
04:45
< afny>
umg afk report.
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<@Ced23Ric>
o/
06:11
< Noah>
Yo
06:11
<@Ced23Ric>
I am melting. D:
06:12
< Noah>
And on a weird connection
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<@Ced23Ric>
@p54BD3B15.dip.t-dialin.net 84.189.59.21 ?
06:13
<@Ced23Ric>
Pretty standard for Germany.
06:13
<@Ced23Ric>
T-Com DSL dialin.
06:13
< Noah>
Ah, I'm used to seeing you on a .de domain
06:13
< Noah>
And probably too wrapped up in myself to notice when you're not
06:14
<@Ced23Ric>
I come from multiple connections. Depending on where I am. :D
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06:19
<+DeathZero>
yo.
06:32
< afny>
http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1776
06:32
< afny>
this is pretty sick
06:34
< afny>
needs to lose the saber but other than that
06:35
< afny>
only slightly disturbed by the EXTREMELY overt military allegory
06:36
< afny>
anyway...I'm going to bed now.
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06:36
<+DeathZero>
lol.
06:36
<+DeathZero>
yea
06:36
<+DeathZero>
think I should do the same.
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< DeathZero>
g'mornin
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18:24 mode/#mf0 [+v afny] by Soren
19:15
< DeathZero>
blarg.
19:17
<@Soren>
gross, you almost got my shoes.
19:21
< DeathZero>
:D
19:25
< DeathZero>
so how's it goin today?
19:30
<@Soren>
It's going sleepily - I'm about to turn in.
19:32
<@Soren>
starting some drama that's likely to make a lot of people unhappy.
19:32
< DeathZero>
Ah, well have a good night., its only about 2pm here.
19:32
< DeathZero>
Yea, I saw that thread. Was curious like Xail about the why
19:34
<@Soren>
well, more later, but it seems only fair to explicate what Joshua (who has a poor grasp of the subject) means when he slings the word 'fascism' around.
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19:35
<@Soren>
...and Malcolm shows up just as I want to go to bed.
19:35
<@Soren>
Life is not fair.
19:36
< Malcolm>
I'm not sure how I can prevent you going to bed through the intertron
19:36
<+afny>
if only they'd invented smell-o-net.
19:36
<@Soren>
It's less that you can prevent me and more that you're an excellent person and I would like to talk.
19:36
< Malcolm>
Don't wish for that: my dinner is currently drowned in sriracha
19:36
<@Soren>
num num num
19:37
<+afny>
I haven't bought any yet! I'll go to the store today.
19:39
<+afny>
I'm going to keep linking your links in that thread so people actually read them
19:39
<+afny>
they are SEMI REQUIRED, after all.
19:39
<@Soren>
hah
19:39
< Malcolm>
@Soren Having turned to Roger Griffin's 'The Nature of Fascism' for the first time in years, I'm being reminded of how painful his definition of the phenomenon is
19:39
<@Soren>
I expect one in five of the people who post to actually read it.
19:40
<@Soren>
it's painful, but much more useful than a less precise, more elegant one.
19:40
< Malcolm>
True enough. And his book remains a very good piece of work.
19:40
<@Soren>
Nobody ever said that developing a Grand Unified Theory of Wingnut was going to be painless.
19:41
< Malcolm>
Dammit, I was therefore missold on this caper
19:41
<@Soren>
Alas.
19:41
<@Soren>
we should tape up a sign.
19:42
<@Soren>
"Masochists and pain-sluts only, please."
19:42
<@Soren>
holy butts on toast it is late.
19:42
<@Soren>
I'm going to sleep in five minutes, and I want to be in bed for it.
19:42
<@Soren>
g'night!
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19:42
<+afny>
o/
19:42
< Malcolm>
NIghty night
20:12
<+afny>
not sure if head hurts because of caffeine
20:12
<+afny>
or because of not enough caffeine.
20:12
<+afny>
._.
20:13
< Malcolm>
Have another coffee to test your thesis
20:13
< Malcolm>
Hypothesis, I should say
20:14
<+afny>
Yes, I'm a fan of the scientific method
20:14
<+afny>
the kettle is already boiling
20:14
<+afny>
brb
20:15
<+afny>
right
20:15
<+afny>
maybe I should build something.
20:24
< DeathZero>
I was trying to build until I was instructed to go read something. o_o
20:25
<+afny>
knowledge is power
20:26
< DeathZero>
Aye, its interesting to know the writers motivations.
20:26
< DeathZero>
and what they were trying to say.
20:26
<+afny>
I mean, you always have to take those things with a grain of salt
20:26
<+afny>
especially when you're talking about ANIME SCHOLARS
20:26
<+afny>
but I think that excerpt particularly is pretty insightful
20:26
< DeathZero>
Yea, I read that and was like. "Thats a thing you can be?"
20:27
<+afny>
The select few.
20:27
<+afny>
The few. The proud. The anime scholars.
20:27
< DeathZero>
lmao.
20:27
<@randolph>
You can get a degree online from University of Phoenix
20:27
<+afny>
I mean, I think it's a legitimate field, I'm not trashing them
20:28
<+afny>
it's just so small that there's not likely to be a large quantity of useful discussion
20:28
<@randolph>
(Note: Not actually a degree)
20:28
< DeathZero>
yea.
20:44
<~McMartin>
Wouldn't anime scholarship properly just be a thing narratologists do?
20:45
<+afny>
Well the piece I was talking about wasn't even really about anime
20:45
<+afny>
it was about fiction in post-war Japan
20:45
<+afny>
so to answer your question
20:45
<+afny>
yes.
20:45
<~McMartin>
Heh
20:45
<~McMartin>
Also scholars of Japanese literature, language, sociology...
20:46
< Malcolm>
There are a couple of people in our English lit dept here at my uni who have an interest in such things. And I'm sure there's someone in cultural anthropology looking into it.
20:46
< Malcolm>
In the history dept, not so much....
20:46 * McMartin has a popular history of the Meiji period-through-WWII kicking around somewhere on his bookshelf.
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21:57
< DeathZero>
woo.
21:58
< DeathZero>
Got a couple of Grasshopper's walls bricked up.
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23:28
<+afny>
hey Mantis
23:29
< Mantisking>
Hey.
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23:43
<+afny>
urgh I want to build
23:43
<+afny>
but I've polished these companies so much
23:43
<+afny>
I don't know which one to break down
23:45
< Mantisking>
Do you have enough pictures so that you can rebuild them in the future if you wish?
23:47
<+afny>
Yeah, but eh
23:47
<+afny>
probably wouldn't do that
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23:49
< Mantisking>
If you don't want to break them down, then buy more parts.
23:50
<+afny>
nah, I mean
23:50
<+afny>
I'll end up breaking some of them down
23:50
<+afny>
I just doubt I'll rebuild them
23:50
<+afny>
Buy more parts! Hah.
23:51
<+afny>
I dunno, as long as I have 12 for the demo kit, I can break down the others
23:51
<+afny>
but I feel like rebuilding frames I've built before would be boring
23:57
< Mantisking>
There is that.
23:57
< Mantisking>
I tend to keep one of each frame I've built sitting on the bookcase.
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