--- Log opened Sat Jun 30 00:00:38 2012 |
00:02 | < afny> | hm |
00:02 | < afny> | I'm having a hard time coming up with a strategy/comp for my demo campaign for the 4frame team |
00:02 | < afny> | that's significantly different from the 5frame team |
00:02 | < afny> | right now the defenders are all DF DF Y B |
00:02 | < afny> | and there's three of them |
00:03 | < afny> | and the primary attackers are... 1x A A G B, 1x 3split A/DF, B, 2x DF Y Y B, 1x DF Y B G |
00:08 | <+MittenNinja> | I would suggest not using split systems to demo |
00:08 | <+MittenNinja> | It creates too much confusion for people just learning to play |
00:08 | <+MittenNinja> | Keep things simple |
00:08 | < afny> | I can easily call it A A G B |
00:09 | < afny> | doesn't change the strategy anyway |
00:09 | <+MittenNinja> | Or even A DF G B |
00:09 | < afny> | I was just choosing frames from an 8 frame company I already had |
00:09 | < afny> | but my problem with the 4frame secondary attackers is this |
00:10 | < afny> | if I go heavy on DF, I wouldn't need much global spot |
00:10 | < afny> | so taking two DF systems on two or three of the systems would be good |
00:10 | < afny> | which makes them very similar to the defenders |
00:10 | < afny> | but if I decide to go global spot, I need artillery to take advantage of it |
00:10 | < afny> | and they end up just being a weaker version of the primary attackers |
00:10 | <+MittenNinja> | Make them DF HTH G B |
00:10 | < afny> | that just seems like gimping them unneccessarily |
00:11 | < afny> | -c |
00:11 | <+MittenNinja> | That isn't humping them at all |
00:11 | <+MittenNinja> | *gimping |
00:11 | < afny> | heh |
00:11 | < afny> | sure it is, they don't have any spot dice that way |
00:11 | <+MittenNinja> | High mobility |
00:11 | <+MittenNinja> | They won't need them |
00:12 | <+MittenNinja> | High mobility and high damage in direct and melee |
00:12 | < afny> | it just seems so diffuse |
00:12 | < afny> | and reliant on white dice |
00:12 | <+MittenNinja> | Use it to point out the effectiveness of attacking cover |
00:12 | <+MittenNinja> | And when hth is actually useful |
00:12 | < afny> | I just think with only four frames, too many turns will be spent only attacking cover |
00:12 | <+MittenNinja> | Trust me, I run with three of those I my main force |
00:13 | < afny> | and they will be vulnerable to attacks from two sides |
00:13 | < afny> | yeah, but how big is your main force |
00:13 | <+MittenNinja> | They can be brutal |
00:13 | < afny> | and are there other Ys on it? |
00:13 | <+MittenNinja> | I only have one frame with Ys |
00:13 | < afny> | how big is the company when you field it? |
00:13 | <+MittenNinja> | 7, but those three do most of the work |
00:14 | < afny> | what are the other frames? |
00:14 | < afny> | I believe you about not necessarily needing Y, but I'm not convinced that strategy carries over well to a company of only 4 frames that is LIKELY to have initiative right after the defender sacs a station |
00:14 | <+MittenNinja> | 2x AABG, HHBB, and HYYB |
00:14 | < afny> | I think that one global spot and that one AA would make all the difference |
00:15 | < afny> | just because you can get more done in the space of a turn |
00:15 | < afny> | with four frames you have to all fire and make those shots count |
00:15 | <+MittenNinja> | Make the 4th frame a AAYY |
00:15 | <+MittenNinja> | Or AYYB |
00:17 | <+MittenNinja> | Just make sure whoever playing them knows they have to play aggressive |
00:17 | <+MittenNinja> | You'll be surprised how effective they can be |
00:18 | < afny> | I think it depends on the battlefield |
00:18 | < afny> | judging from your photos so far it seems like you play on pretty low cover maps |
00:18 | < afny> | so if I field that, maybe I won't go crazy on the cover |
00:18 | <+MittenNinja> | Keep in mind that with the G you can move through cover |
00:19 | <+MittenNinja> | True |
00:20 | <+MittenNinja> | Run a game or two with yourself |
00:20 | <+MittenNinja> | See how it plays out |
00:22 | < afny> | even as someone who plays a lot of single player brood war |
00:22 | < afny> | I don't think I could bring myself to do that |
00:22 | < afny> | mostly because I don't want to destroy and rebuild all that cover for no reason |
00:22 | <+MittenNinja> | Why not? |
00:22 | <+MittenNinja> | Then don't |
00:23 | <+MittenNinja> | Just keep track, you don't have to actually destroy it |
00:23 | < afny> | ah god, I finally found a new dark grey boat bumper to replace an old dark grey one on a chub head |
00:23 | < afny> | that had otherwise all new dark grey |
00:23 | <+MittenNinja> | Ha |
00:23 | < afny> | it looks SIGNIFICANTLY less dirty in the dome |
00:27 | < afny> | hm, what about |
00:27 | < afny> | AA G B, DF DF G B, 2x DF Y G B? |
00:28 | < afny> | super mobile, strong enough to break cover, but still some spots |
00:28 | < afny> | still kind of just a mix of the other two companies, admittedly |
00:28 | < afny> | I really should have SOMETHING with an hth system |
00:29 | <+MittenNinja> | Give one to the defenders |
00:29 | <+MittenNinja> | They're the most likely to have an enemy coming to them |
00:30 | <+MittenNinja> | HBBY |
00:30 | <+MittenNinja> | Throw some SSRs on it |
00:31 | <+MittenNinja> | SSR targets as they approach, and punish them hardcore if they try to take the station |
00:31 | < afny> | I'm very wary of fielding a company with only three frames |
00:31 | < afny> | that has only two with a reliable direct fire |
00:32 | < afny> | MAYBE 3 ssrs could make up the lack |
00:32 | <+MittenNinja> | Yeah it should |
00:32 | <+MittenNinja> | Keep in mind, I've found the avg game to last 4-5 turns |
00:32 | <+MittenNinja> | So for three of them, its got DF |
00:32 | < afny> | the other problem is the defenders are the company with no normal bipeds |
00:33 | < afny> | so they look kind of goofy with swords |
00:33 | < afny> | that's not REALLY an issue, plenty of options for hth weapons |
00:33 | <+MittenNinja> | Flamethrowers? |
00:33 | < afny> | only assholes use flamethrowers |
00:33 | <+MittenNinja> | Yeah, plenty of options |
00:34 | <+MittenNinja> | Assholes are the ones who win fights |
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00:38 | <+MittenNinja> | Randy! |
00:39 | <+MittenNinja> | Sup? |
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00:44 | <+MittenNinja> | Also, don't be afraid to use soldiers |
00:45 | <+MittenNinja> | They're solid |
00:45 | < afny> | are you using Ced terms |
00:45 | < afny> | I don't know those |
00:45 | <+MittenNinja> | DF B G Y |
00:45 | < afny> | I willfully refuse to learn them because I don't want to get in the habit of using them |
00:45 | < afny> | since saying soldier to a new player doesn't impart any information |
00:45 | <+MittenNinja> | That's the only one I use |
00:45 | < afny> | yeah, right now I have |
00:45 | <+MittenNinja> | And that's because Josh uses it |
00:45 | < afny> | for the 4frame |
00:45 | < afny> | A A B G, DF DF G B, 2x DF B G Y |
00:46 | < afny> | so two of those |
00:46 | <+MittenNinja> | It's the "standard" frame loadout |
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00:47 | <+MittenNinja> | What's your primary attacker force again? |
00:47 | < afny> | uhh |
00:47 | < afny> | if there's no split, it's 2x A A G B, 1x DF Y G B, 2x DF Y Y B |
00:48 | <+MittenNinja> | That's right, sorry ircchat doesnt keep a full history |
00:48 | < afny> | np |
00:49 | <+MittenNinja> | Drop the DF Y G B and make that one a HTH frame |
00:49 | <+MittenNinja> | ? |
00:50 | < afny> | I could, but I'd definitely just be doing it to do it |
00:50 | < afny> | I don't see how it fits into the strategy |
00:50 | <+MittenNinja> | Use a BB so you can demonstrate the cover benefit |
00:50 | <+MittenNinja> | Covers your DF guys as they push on the enemy |
00:51 | <+MittenNinja> | HBBY and SSRs |
00:51 | <+MittenNinja> | Use the SSRs as they close in so its still contributing on the approach |
00:58 | <+MittenNinja> | It'll draw fire away from the DF guys on the approach and dish out some hurt once it gets there. |
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01:05 | <+Tetrajak> | and I'm back :D |
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01:07 | <+MittenNinja> | Wb |
01:07 | <+MittenNinja> | Lol |
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01:11 | < carbonbass> | I've lived a few places where going over a hundred during the summer was normal. Somehow once you combine 105 degrees with NC's oppressive humidity it just gets really sucky. |
01:29 | <+MittenNinja> | That why I moved to Denver from the Minneapolis. |
01:29 | <+MittenNinja> | The humidity is killer |
01:30 | <+MittenNinja> | Out here in the Rockies it hardly ever gets above 15% |
01:30 | <+MittenNinja> | Wow that first sentence was horribly written |
01:31 | <+MittenNinja> | I type too fast for my own good |
01:40 | < carbonbass> | bleh, my equipments need more gubbins |
01:47 | <~McMartin> | MittenNinja: Mojave Wasteland represent |
01:48 | | * McMartin grew up in San Diego |
01:56 | < carbonbass> | I started this BBC sci-fi series Outcasts on netflix. Pretty good so far, which is obviously why it was canceled after the first series. |
02:08 | <+MittenNinja> | I don't even know where the Mojave wasteland is |
02:09 | <+MittenNinja> | I hate it when good shows get canned so early |
02:15 | <~McMartin> | MittenNinja: It's the name of the setting generally in Fallout: New Vegas ;-) |
02:15 | <~McMartin> | The Mojave Desert is basically east of Los Angeles and west of Vegas |
02:15 | <~McMartin> | But yeah, I gew up in the desert so 15% humidity is my idea of A Good Day |
02:16 | <+MittenNinja> | Ah, I never played new Vegas |
02:16 | < carbonbass> | It was 45% today. I felt like I was swimming. |
02:20 | <+MittenNinja> | That's nothibg, try over 100% with no rain. It happens on occasion in Minnesota |
02:22 | < carbonbass> | oh fuck, it's gonna be 80% tomorrow |
02:22 | < carbonbass> | I'm staying inside |
02:22 | < carbonbass> | playing with legos |
02:22 | < carbonbass> | all day |
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03:02 | < afny> | finally |
03:02 | < afny> | 3/6 stations done |
03:11 | < neoaez> | afny, do you have any breakdown shots of your Pan II or Nimrod II frames? I may have missed them on the forums. |
03:17 | < afny> | Nope |
03:18 | < afny> | if you're really interested I can take one next time I set up the lightbox |
03:18 | < neoaez> | I'll see if I can't figure out the core of the torso. No worries. |
03:19 | < afny> | this'll make it easy |
03:19 | < afny> | http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=98029 |
03:19 | < afny> | they're based on the Stirad |
03:19 | < afny> | or AFI |
03:19 | < afny> | I don't know which is the name and which is the company |
03:19 | < afny> | Zizynames be crazy. |
03:19 | < neoaez> | =) |
03:20 | < neoaez> | Thanks. |
03:20 | < afny> | the trick is three ringplates |
03:20 | < afny> | once you get that down there are endless possibilities with that style of core |
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03:22 | <@randolph> | Hey guys |
03:22 | <@randolph> | sorry, I've been afk, and apparently net keeps dropping |
03:22 | < afny> | aren't you in the middle of a 5 day party anyway |
03:22 | <@randolph> | yeah |
03:22 | <@randolph> | that's why I've been afk |
03:22 | <@randolph> | we're talking PAB shop now |
03:22 | <@randolph> | afk again |
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04:13 | < carbonbass> | blarg |
04:13 | <+Tetrajak> | indeed |
04:21 | < afny> | hoo |
04:21 | < afny> | just need one more station |
04:21 | < afny> | and then a bit more terrain |
04:21 | < afny> | and my demo campaign is DONE |
04:21 | < afny> | oh, and a ruler |
04:21 | < afny> | only found two hinge pieces that are the right size :\ |
04:21 | < carbonbass> | That is the only bit that I actually have. |
04:22 | < carbonbass> | I don't even know where those pieces came from |
04:27 | <+Tetrajak> | I still don't have a ruler, but then again, I don't yet have 2 companies |
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05:53 | < MoF0-4266> | Anyone home? |
05:55 | < afny> | I'm here |
05:55 | < afny> | I'm one bit of terrain done with my demo campaign box |
05:55 | < afny> | got 6 stations, some elevation |
05:55 | < afny> | pretty solid dicebuilds |
05:59 | < Carbonbass> | I just got back from wally world |
06:00 | < Carbonbass> | They had some of the lego Frog Rush games on clerance for $11, grabbed one and it ended up being $5 |
06:00 | < MoF0-4266> | Shopping? |
06:00 | < Carbonbass> | going back for the other two tomorrow |
06:00 | < MoF0-4266> | Damn, I didn't think to scan the ones I saw the other day. |
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06:02 | < Carbonbass> | It'll give me a matching color scheme for all 8 of my Hellions until I can get something better. Plus all the other little bits that come with it, frogs, dice. pretty good little box for $5 |
06:02 | < Mantisking> | I don't know why I bothered to do that. I'm going to bed soon. |
06:03 | < Carbonbass> | Because you love us |
06:03 | < Carbonbass> | Oh, it also comes with one of those nifty brick pry-bars. |
06:04 | < Mantisking> | I saw #2236 Scorpio for $10 the other day at Walmart. |
06:05 | < Carbonbass> | That's a good buy if you're looking for bits like that |
06:05 | < Carbonbass> | This Lego dice is pretty cool |
06:05 | < Mantisking> | i've got a bunch that I don't use. |
06:06 | < Mantisking> | Okay, that's it for me. Catch you all on the flip side. |
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06:06 | < afny> | ah damn |
06:06 | < afny> | w |
06:06 | < afny> | +anted to ask him about ways to cheat at making roofs |
06:07 | < Carbonbass> | You could call the guys that did my roof, they know all about it |
06:08 | < afny> | heh |
06:20 | < afny> | in my quest to make a vaguely aesthetically passable building |
06:20 | < afny> | I've made cover that will take years to destroy |
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07:30 | < afny> | well using a bunch of lamps while it's already like 95 degrees in here |
07:30 | < afny> | to take pictures for 30 minutes |
07:30 | < afny> | was not a good idea |
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09:50 | <+Tetrajak> | Anyone active? |
09:50 | < afny> | blergh |
09:51 | <+Tetrajak> | want to see some pretty damn awesome lego mecha which appear to have not seen the light of day in the lego community? |
09:51 | < afny> | sure |
09:51 | <+Tetrajak> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/47332813@N03/ |
09:51 | <+Tetrajak> | this guys stream |
09:51 | <+Tetrajak> | includes quite a few transforming and combining lego creations |
09:51 | <+Tetrajak> | as well as some astounding robot head techniques |
09:52 | < afny> | sentai as fuck |
09:52 | <+Tetrajak> | yup, there's some powerrangers stuff in there |
09:54 | < afny> | some pretty cool stuff |
09:55 | < afny> | nothing really speaks to me, but it's good building |
09:55 | < afny> | and the combining techniques are really nice |
09:55 | <+Tetrajak> | Yea, I'm mostly just impressed |
09:55 | < afny> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/47332813@N03/6776068775/in/photostream/ the head on this one is really nice |
09:57 | <+Tetrajak> | isn't it just |
09:58 | <+Tetrajak> | the minifig hands for eyes thing is really cool |
09:59 | < afny> | I finished my demo kit |
09:59 | < afny> | http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1717 |
09:59 | < afny> | I don't think even Ced could tell me I don't have enough cover now |
10:01 | <+Tetrajak> | Yea, I saw it just before coming on here |
10:01 | <+Tetrajak> | it's pretty awesome |
10:01 | <+Tetrajak> | I love some of the variation in cover that you did |
10:01 | <+Tetrajak> | such as the tar and rocks |
10:01 | <+Tetrajak> | very cool use of black |
10:01 | <+Tetrajak> | I like your stations too |
10:01 | < afny> | the best part was making the little fossil |
10:01 | <+Tetrajak> | I'll bet XD |
10:01 | < afny> | those stations really are all Sorens |
10:02 | < afny> | only his are better |
10:02 | <+Tetrajak> | still, I like what you've done with your limited parts |
10:02 | < afny> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/bricklovinfreakboy/6316097878/in/faves-kyanosmoros/ |
10:02 | <+Tetrajak> | yup |
10:02 | <+Tetrajak> | I stole his sat dish |
10:02 | < afny> | dat factory |
10:04 | < afny> | I only thought to use that black when I was thinking about ways to reinforce those two piece rocks |
10:04 | < afny> | I always see people complain, "well I can't have destructible hills because my rocks are only two bricks" |
10:04 | < afny> | I wanted to use those pieces but still have completely destructible terrain |
10:04 | < afny> | so...bunch of black bricks...tar and igneous rock flows. |
10:05 | < afny> | each one is elevation for at least one hit |
10:05 | <+Tetrajak> | that is very cool |
10:05 | < afny> | and some of them have directional cover even when a frame is on their elevation |
10:06 | < afny> | only the big one is better than fridges in the middle of a parking lot, though. |
10:11 | <+Tetrajak> | XD |
10:12 | <+Tetrajak> | sorry, I'm still seeing a dude on top of 4 fridges with that big hill |
10:15 | < afny> | the 4x4 elevation bit isn't at the top |
10:15 | < afny> | it's half way up |
10:15 | < afny> | so depending on how the terrain is placed |
10:16 | < afny> | that frame would be in cover to other elevation |
10:19 | <+Tetrajak> | aaaaah |
10:19 | < afny> | oh, looking at it now the platform is obscured |
10:19 | < afny> | it's all on the other side |
10:19 | <+Tetrajak> | it's hidden in the photo |
10:19 | < afny> | yea |
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18:53 | < Carbonbass> | Makin cut little log cabins for Free Colony turrurest living in the mountains |
18:54 | < Carbonbass> | cute* |
19:43 | < CaGeRit> | Pics? |
19:44 | < Carbonbass> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/78359253@N03/7473829018/ |
19:44 | < Carbonbass> | Single floor 2-person shack |
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22:44 | <+Tetrajak> | good zombie moaning |
22:46 | <+Tetrajak> | anyone alive in here? |
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