| --- Log opened Sun Sep 27 00:00:44 2020 |
| 00:07 | <&ToxicFrog> | It's hard to get a computer with one built in, but SATA and USB ones can be had very cheaply these days |
| 00:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | symbol built quetzalcoatl with one built in, and I have a USB one attached to ancilla |
| 00:09 | <&ToxicFrog> | Re cloud storage, security and privacy issues can be mitigated by encrypting stuff locally before it gets uploaded, but they tend to be very expensive and the ones that aren't tend to work only with their own specific proprietary backup software |
| 00:09 | <&ToxicFrog> | My approach back when "work from office" was still a thing was to keep an external hard drive on my desk at work containing encrypted backups, but, well |
| 00:10 | <&ToxicFrog> | It feels like there's an open niche for a distributed IPFS-ish backup replication service, where each member of the swarm donates X gigabytes of hard drive which is used to store shards of other people's encrypted backups and, in turn, can shard out X GB of storage to other swarm members |
| 00:18 | < SmithKurosaki> | Sounds interesting |
| 00:19 | < SmithKurosaki> | Only thing I can do for work myself is use sharepoint since I've got one of those fun 'no usbs allowed' jobs |
| 00:20 | < SmithKurosaki> | I totally use a pile of usbs for school though |
| 00:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | It does sound interesting! It also sounds like it's not something I have the skills to build. |
| 00:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | Work does let me connect USB disks, but discourages it; that said, just moving the disk back and forth by hand and syncing it up at home once a month or so works ok too. |
| 00:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | I mean, not anymore obvs, but it used to. |
| 00:26 | < SmithKurosaki> | Fair |
| 00:29 | < SmithKurosaki> | I would think the networked shard storage would involve an extra drive (parition?) explicity for running the backups on |
| 00:29 | < SmithKurosaki> | So, not as easy to do on a laptop as it would be on a tower |
| 00:30 | < SmithKurosaki> | aka some kind of fun networked raid arrangement basically |
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| 01:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | I mean, presumably you'd just give it a data storage directory and a quota |
| 01:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | The directory can be anywhere |
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| 01:29 | < SmithKurosaki> | True |
| 01:29 | < SmithKurosaki> | I'm just thinking about r/w bottlenecks |
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| 01:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, but that's an ops question, not a design question |
| 01:51 | < SmithKurosaki> | I mean, true, but when I design, I have end user / function in mind |
| 01:51 | < SmithKurosaki> | It's that whole pesky designing spaces for people to use thing :p |
| 01:52 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, but I'm pretty sure the design outcome here is "make sure the data store location can be configured and, if known, document the expected I/O patterns so the sysop can make good decisions about where to locate it" |
| 01:54 | < SmithKurosaki> | Fair |
| 01:54 | < SmithKurosaki> | I never got super far into coding design theory vs implementation/execution |
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| 18:19 | <&[R]> | McMartin: (Reading backlog) scp doesn't handle symlinks, so if you have recursive symlinks (if you're copying .wine then you do), I'd avoid using it if at all possible. `tar | ssh tar` works pretty well as an alternative though. Eg: `tar c file1 dir1 dir2 | ssh host tar x -C /dir/to/cd/to` |
| 18:25 | <&[R]> | <abudhabi> What I don't like about cloud storage, aside from security and privacy issues, is the running cost. I'd much rather burn a few optical media once a year, if only optical media weren't so small compared to storage needs these days. <-- Get something you can ssh into or mount as a filesystem and use dedup or Borg |
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| 18:37 | | * Emmy acks |
| 18:37 | < Emmy> | what are you doing with symlinks for SCP |
| 18:37 | < Emmy> | that sounds like a bad idea |
| 18:38 | <&[R]> | Backing up my home directory from a failing drive |
| 18:38 | <&[R]> | A home directory that contained a .wine directory |
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| 19:55 | <&McMartin> | I'd probably use rsync for that |
| 19:56 | <&McMartin> | Fortunately, while NTFS *does* support symlinks, Windows implementations of UNIX tools don't know that and disagree about their nature sufficiently that this is something one keeps in mind whenever copying from Unix to Windows |
| 19:56 | <&McMartin> | Which is the use case here. |
| 19:56 | <&[R]> | Fair enough |
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| --- Log closed Mon Sep 28 00:00:46 2020 |