| --- Log opened Wed May 27 00:00:30 2020 |
| 00:07 | <&Reiver> | wait |
| 00:07 | <&Reiver> | Brainfuck is actually /useful/? |
| 00:07 | <&Reiver> | Could he have designed it more, uh, less dumb |
| 00:07 | <&Reiver> | Or was the whole ridiculous language actually a "I do not have space for anything more luxurious" |
| 00:09 | <&McMartin> | The latter. |
| 00:09 | <&McMartin> | "I want something that I know is going to be Turing complete and where I can trnaslate it into machine code somewhere else, and I have 255 bytes to work in on a platform where instructions are 2-6 bytes long" |
| 00:09 | <&McMartin> | So Brainfuck is basically Be A Fuckin' Turing Machine as its primitives |
| 00:10 | <&McMartin> | I'm guessing it was to script reorganizing the parts of a cracked program after loading it in a funky way and post-copy-protection check or something, as that is what programs of that size are usually for :) |
| 00:10 | <&[R]> | It was very clearly designed like a very small VM (like LLVM, JVM, or Parrot) |
| 00:10 | <&McMartin> | C64 equivalents tend to be asm programs that copy themselves into the call stack and run from there. |
| 00:11 | <&McMartin> | [R] Yeah, and its basic operations are super-obviously moving a head around on a tape, and then writing or branching based on what the head is pointed at |
| 00:11 | <&McMartin> | Which is, well |
| 00:11 | <&[R]> | A turing machine |
| 00:11 | <&McMartin> | The only reason that's not a turing machine is because memory isn't infinite~ |
| 00:12 | <&McMartin> | There's a couple of other side points that make it Not Obviously A Full, Formal Turing Machine, but that's been rectified outside of the language. |
| 00:12 | <&McMartin> | (IIRC, BF only gives you if/then and while loops, while a full Turing machine is controlled by an arbitrary FSM) |
| 00:12 | <@celticminstrel> | Pffft, folders. |
| 00:22 | <&Reiver> | aha |
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| 13:52 | < Yossarian> | Will she fly? |
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| 21:24 | <&Reiver> | nope |
| 21:24 | <&McMartin> | I mean, maybe. But not today. |
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| 23:00 | <&McMartin> | RIP SHA-1 https://twitter.com/juliocesarfort/status/1265541783741706241 |
| 23:03 | <&[R]> | Wasn't it already dead? |
| 23:04 | <&McMartin> | It's been non-default for a goodly while |
| 23:04 | <&McMartin> | But it's been *supported* regardless |
| 23:42 | < Emmy> | So? up untill a year and a half ago i officially supported an app for windows XP... |
| 23:44 | < Emmy> | (Officially. unofficially, the fact that it still worked was based on pure stupid luck)) |
| 23:46 | <@Tamber> | Work still run an XP machine. It's connected to the interwebs, too. :( |
| 23:46 | <@Tamber> | (Not sure what the office machines run, but I'm hoping they're at least running 7...) |
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| --- Log closed Thu May 28 00:00:32 2020 |