| --- Log opened Fri May 31 00:00:02 2019 |
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| 12:48 | <@celticminstrel> | So I've seemingly solved the issue with my computer sometimes refusing to sleep. The solution is: unplug the keyboard. :/ |
| 12:48 | <~Vorntastic> | Weird |
| 12:50 | <@celticminstrel> | I'm not sure whether the cause is the keyboard itself or something in the kvm switch, but that gets it to sleep every time. |
| 12:54 | <@TheWatcher> | Haunted keyboard, obv. |
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| 13:39 | <@gnolam> | ... oh good, my own incompetence saved me from my own incompetence |
| 13:41 | <~Vorntastic> | ? |
| 13:41 | <@gnolam> | A missing import that would have broken an important feature... if I had remembered to actually call the method where the imported function was used. |
| 13:41 | <~Vorntastic> | Of course |
| 13:47 | <@gnolam> | https://twitter.com/smaine/status/994723834434502658 |
| 13:48 | <@celticminstrel> | XD |
| 14:08 | < Emmy> | #MaCHinEleARNinG! |
| 14:26 | | * TheWatcher ponders decides to make it a life goal to create a ML system to do analysis of two different pieces of music to work out if one is a cover of another. And have the user submit the original song first, marking it in the system as "our song" and then the song the user wants to check if its a cover as "your song" |
| 14:26 | <@TheWatcher> | That way, if the song is not a cover, it can respond with "Your song is not ours!" |
| 14:37 | <@ErikMesoy> | Now you have me wondering whether "cover of" should be considered symmetric or directional for such analysis |
| 14:38 | <@ErikMesoy> | Obviously it's directional IRL, but if you submit songs in reverse order, should the system notice a degree of coverage anyway? |
| 14:39 | <@TheWatcher> | Should do, yeah |
| 14:40 | <@TheWatcher> | I wonder if you fed it enough versions if it could work out which was the original. That'd be kinda neat, but I would be shocked if it could be done reliably |
| 14:43 | <@ErikMesoy> | Speaking of machine learning, https://rowanzellers.com/grover/ is pretty fun. It generates what I call "D student" news articles: the sentences are grammatical, the article mostly stays in the vicinity of the topic, but the machine author clearly has no idea what it's talking about and sounds as though it's cribbing from misunderstood press releases and Wikipedia. |
| 14:44 | <@ErikMesoy> | So it'll produce regular howlers such as "14 million light years away from Earth, where the Mars-based Very Large Telescope Array is searching for new planets..." |
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| 15:30 | < Emmy> | That's what genetic ancestry analysis does, really. Takes a lot of 'covers' (modern descendants) and then predicts the original |
| 18:43 | <&jeroud> | TheWatcher: YouTube already did that. They call it ContentID and use it to redirect your ad revenue to random fraudsters. |
| 18:45 | <&jeroud> | And yes, based on all the complaints I've seen from people on the internet it's about as reliable as you'd expect. |
| 18:46 | <&[R]> | The MumboJumbo issue was stupid AF |
| 18:47 | <&[R]> | His 6-second outro song (which he has rights to use) had a sub-second sample of some other song. |
| 18:51 | <&jeroud> | Didn't someone once put a second or two of silence into it as their own IP? |
| 18:56 | <&[R]> | It was 10 hours |
| 18:57 | <&jeroud> | I guess the algorithm matches subsets of that. |
| 19:11 | < Kizor> | This 1979 program I'm dissecting DFSes through a maze. After every move, it calls a drawing subroutine. The subroutine checks if the user requested a PRINT of every move. If not, it returns immediately. If yes, it draws that step. |
| 19:15 | < Kizor> | Is this a thing people do in object-oriented programming? Make classes or functions that, when called, test whether they should've been called? |
| 19:15 | <&jeroud> | It's fairly common for things like debug output. |
| 19:16 | <&jeroud> | I usually have the thing that checks whether output is required be a wrapper that then calls the output function. |
| 19:17 | <&[R]> | There was a TDWTF article about a guy who had a function that returned false. Literally just: bool funcname() { return false; }. Comments pointed out: it's a break-point. |
| 19:17 | <&[R]> | Then any error condition was: functionThatReturnsBool ? true : functionThatReturnsFalse(); |
| 19:18 | <&[R]> | Boom automatic breakpoint at every failure |
| 19:20 | <&jeroud> | I'd've written that as breakpointPlaceholder(functionThatReturnsBool(...)) or something, probably. |
| 19:23 | <&jeroud> | Except I wouldn't, because I almost never actually use an interactive debugger. |
| 19:25 | <&jeroud> | So I'd just emit some debug logs and make sure I have sufficient test coverage. |
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| 21:37 | | * TheWatcher tests a bunch of his code for 2038-safety, finds that there's only a couple of places failing that're easy to fix \o/ |
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| 21:40 | <&jeroud> | ... You're a lot more optimistic about the longevity of your code than I am about mine. |
| 21:41 | <@Tamber> | optimistic? Sounds more like pessimism~ |
| 21:41 | <@Tamber> | "This temporary fix is pretty much guaranteed to be still running in 2038, so..." |
| 21:43 | | * TheWatcher shrugs |
| 21:44 | <@TheWatcher> | My code might not be around that long*, but it's entirely possible that post 2038 dates might need to be stored in it before then. |
| 21:45 | <@TheWatcher> | * hopefully won't be, but meh |
| 21:48 | | * Emmy ponders |
| 21:48 | < Emmy> | I specialize in short-term solutions |
| 21:49 | < Emmy> | but 20yo Access/database projects are far from uncommon |
| 22:05 | < Emmy> | Hmmmh. at least all my SQL server projects should be safe |
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