| --- Log opened Tue Nov 06 00:00:03 2018 |
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| 00:53 | <@celmin|away> | Well that just means 10.7 is appropriate for OBoE which also supports XP. >_> |
| 00:53 | <&McMartin> | OBoE? |
| 00:54 | <&McMartin> | Gtk3 for Mac, to the extent that it works at all, seems to require 10.8 but it's not clear what 10.8 added that it would need |
| 00:55 | <&McMartin> | OTOH, Gtk3 for Windows requires Vista, so... |
| 00:55 | <@celmin|away> | Blades of Exile. |
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| 00:56 | <@celticminstrel> | Which I haven't worked on in forever and is still not stable... >_> |
| 00:56 | <@celticminstrel> | forever = about a year probably, maybe as much as two |
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| 05:26 | <&McMartin> | Yikes. https://medium.com/asecuritysite-when-bob-met-alice/doh-what-my-encrypted-drive-can-be-unlocked-by-anyone-a495f6653581 |
| 05:27 | <&McMartin> | ALso, what the Hell, Clang |
| 05:27 | <&McMartin> | Or more properly Xcode |
| 05:27 | <&McMartin> | So, when you set "minimum macOS version" you get warned about any APIs you use that are not part of your target OS level |
| 05:27 | <&McMartin> | But! |
| 05:27 | <&McMartin> | It only warns about it if it was introduced in 10.13 or later, but you can set the deployment level all the way back to 10.6 |
| 05:28 | <&McMartin> | This counts as having the warning "on by default" |
| 05:28 | <&McMartin> | If you instead set -Wunguarded_availability (or, within Xcode, change this mode from "Yes" to "Yes (Aggressive)" then it behaves in a sane way |
| 05:29 | <&McMartin> | Turns out I also used a timer initializer that wasn't introduced until 10.12, despite its almost identical cousin version being around since 10.0 |
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| 07:26 | | * McMartin finishes 10.7-izing that code, and now it's actually a kilobyte or so smaller |
| 07:31 | <&McMartin> | https://www.dropbox.com/s/6oi7qja7nhbiz4a/macCCA-console.zip?dl=1 has been updated |
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| 11:58 | < simon_> | I just made a super shiny Vue-based salary calculator app at work, and it turns out people are having problems with there not being a submit button; basically, it shows results as you're completing form fields. so my (non-programmer) colleagues think I should add an "Update" button that does nothing. I feel inclined to not do that. |
| 12:02 | <@TheWatcher> | Placebo buttons are a valid UX thing, though. |
| 12:11 | < ErikMesoy> | simon: You could think of it this way: Nothing is idiotproof, someone will always build a better idiot. One day someone might figure out a combination of autofill and field tabbing or something that inputs data without triggering your app's autocalculate, and on that day it'll be nice to have manual force update. |
| 12:12 | < ErikMesoy> | In the meantime other people can click it too, even if it's redundant. |
| 13:56 | <@celmin|Zzzzzz> | McMartin: It works! :O |
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| 14:37 | <&[R]> | simon_: make the button provide a message to the user "the results were calculated all along" (or s/all along/the whole time/) |
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| 18:19 | | * abudhabi sighs. |
| 18:20 | <@abudhabi> | I went to the electronics shop to get a power adapter or plug converter. Japanese standard to Warsaw Pact standard. |
| 18:20 | <@abudhabi> | I got a plug converter. |
| 18:20 | <@abudhabi> | I specifically asked if it would work, because the voltage is different. |
| 18:20 | <@abudhabi> | "Yeah, it'll work." |
| 18:20 | <@abudhabi> | My ass. |
| 18:21 | <@abudhabi> | The plug converter works, yes, but I have now wasted the original adapter, because it doesn't alter the voltage. |
| 18:24 | <@abudhabi> | Magic smoke escaped and the fuse went. |
| 18:46 | <&[R]> | D: |
| 19:01 | <&ToxicFrog> | Oh for FUCK'S SAKE |
| 19:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | So for this project I'm using Lanterna for rendering and SquidLib for pathing/FOV calculations, because writing A* again isn't really the fun part of the project |
| 19:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | Lanterna uses row/col for all coordinates |
| 19:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | SquidLib uses X/Y |
| 19:04 | | * TheWatcher recommends applying fire to Lanterna~ |
| 19:04 | <@TheWatcher> | Alternatively, wrapper time? >.> |
| 19:06 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, I'm just not sure which one to wrap |
| 19:06 | <&ToxicFrog> | My existing code already uses r/c because I noticed the Lanterna coordinate system first, and that plays nicer with the row-major storage of the level grid |
| 20:12 | <~Vorntastic> | Can you just... Pretend? |
| 20:13 | <&ToxicFrog> | Vorntastic: what? |
| 20:13 | <~Vorntastic> | Like it doesn't really matter whether something is an x or a y, usually, the rules work either way |
| 20:13 | <&ToxicFrog> | Vorntastic: right, but one API uses row-major and the other uses col-major and at various places I have to pass data between them |
| 20:13 | <~Vorntastic> | You can probably pass in r and c as x and y and then interpret the result x and y values as r and c again |
| 20:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | Which means that there are certain places where I have to swap the coordinate order, and if I don't get that right it's (a) not obvious in the code and (b) probably results in subtle rendering or, worse, pathfinding or collision detection glitches at runtime rather than an error |
| 20:15 | < ErikMesoy> | Hungarian notation to make it obvious? |
| 20:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | At the moment I'm leaning towards "isolate the vismap and pathmap wrappers in their own module and put an obvious warning at the top of the file" |
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| 21:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | Making this even worse, or at least more confusing, is that SquidLib expects to operate on arrays stored in row-major order |
| 21:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | So you address the array using [row][col] but all the SquidLib functions take (x,y) |
| 21:19 | <&McMartin> | That is less uncommon than I'd like, to be honest |
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