| --- Log opened Sun Nov 04 00:00:00 2018 |
| 00:16 | <&McMartin> | Okay, let's start fixing windows bugs that are not Windows bugs, but rather bugs about rectangles of pixels |
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| 14:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | A pox on all code that has to deal with both x/y and row/col APIs |
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| 15:43 | <&[R]> | And translate between the two? |
| 15:44 | <&[R]> | Because that'd be any strategy game, no? |
| 15:44 | <&[R]> | x/y for the window frame, row/col for the game map |
| 15:44 | <@ErikMesoy> | Unless the game map uses "provinces" and they're all giant clusters of x/y coordinates, which is a whole new sort of problem. |
| 15:45 | <&[R]> | Fair enough |
| 15:46 | <@ErikMesoy> | And then there's Dominions which handles this by voronoi: every province has a center pixel defined, when you click on the map you select the province whose center pixel is nearest to that point. |
| 15:47 | <~Vornicus> | what're we up to |
| 15:47 | <@ErikMesoy> | > ToxicFrog: A pox on all code that has to deal with both x/y and row/col APIs |
| 15:47 | | * Vornicus checks the second sight |
| 15:47 | <~Vornicus> | Oh, very yes |
| 15:48 | <~Vornicus> | that's not necessarily any strategy game |
| 15:48 | <&[R]> | Any that I've played :p |
| 15:48 | <~Vornicus> | like, if it's laid out like Modern Excel, "A1" is technically x/y |
| 15:49 | <&[R]> | Age of Wonders, StarCraft, WarCraft, Heroes of Might and Magic, Warlords, etc... |
| 15:49 | <~Vornicus> | (r1c1 is of course evil) |
| 16:23 | <&ToxicFrog> | [R]: AoW, StarCraft, and WarCraft don't expose the coordinate system |
| 16:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | Most strategy games don't |
| 16:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | The ones I've played that do use x/y, including chess |
| 16:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | In this case the specific issue is that I'm dealing with maps that use x/y for cell addressing, but a drawing API that targets the terminal and thus uses row/col |
| 16:25 | <~Vornicus> | coordinate handedness makes me almost as mad |
| 16:26 | <&ToxicFrog> | And since the type of all of them is just "int" it's really easy to get wrong! |
| 16:26 | <&ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: coordinate handedness? As in, the way you arrange the coordinates in 3-space? |
| 16:27 | <@mac> | ToxicFrog: Solution: make them all different subclasses of int. |
| 16:27 | <~Vornicus> | That sort of thing but also in 2d |
| 16:28 | <~Vornicus> | Consider PostScript vs screen drawing |
| 16:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | mac: hmm. I don't actually know if it's possible to annotate an interlanguage call into Java to perform that sort of check. |
| 16:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: aah. |
| 16:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | (the row/col API is an existing library written in Java; I'm calling it from Clojure) |
| 16:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | I mean, an alternative approach would be to redesign the map format and code (which I do have control over) to use row/col |
| 16:30 | <&[R]> | ToxicFrog: I meant if you were developping for it |
| 16:30 | <~Vornicus> | I absogoddamnlutely hate row/col |
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| 19:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | It's x/y but with the axes swapped because fuck you |
| 19:42 | <&ToxicFrog> | And there isn't really an excuse for Lanterna to use it rather than X/Y except "because that's how the underlying terminal control codes do it", but it does! |
| 19:42 | <&McMartin> | *storing* terminal data row/col is fine |
| 19:42 | <&McMartin> | text is row-major |
| 19:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | McMartin: right, but Lanterna is specifically for terminal (or terminal-esque; it has a mode that renders to texture instead) graphics and is meant to generally look like a GUI-and-images library |
| 19:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | Except that it uses row/col rather than x/y everywhere in the API |
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| 23:01 | <&McMartin> | celticminstrel: Hey, do you still have that 10.6 machine? |
| 23:04 | <@celticminstrel> | Technically, but it's running 10.7 usually. |
| 23:04 | <&McMartin> | That's close enough for this, I suppose |
| 23:04 | <@celticminstrel> | It's a pain to reboot to 10.6. |
| 23:04 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 23:04 | <&McMartin> | Basically, I'm messing with AppleScript and have learned a thing that I didn't think actually worked |
| 23:05 | <&McMartin> | ISTR that if you wanted to have a script pop up a dialog box you had to tell some other application to do it for you |
| 23:06 | <@celticminstrel> | You can certainly do like "tell some app to display dialog..." ... |
| 23:06 | <&McMartin> | Yep |
| 23:06 | <@celticminstrel> | Display dialog is a scripting addon though, I think. |
| 23:06 | <&McMartin> | However, today I learned that at least on recent versions of macOS you can just say "display dialog" |
| 23:06 | <&McMartin> | It's part of the Standard Editions that are autoloaded by osascript in 10.14 |
| 23:06 | <&McMartin> | Derp |
| 23:07 | <&McMartin> | Additions |
| 23:07 | <&McMartin> | not Editions |
| 23:07 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah, pretty sure that works here. |
| 23:07 | <&McMartin> | My question is basically "how far back does this go" |
| 23:07 | <@celticminstrel> | Might not have worked say on OS9... |
| 23:07 | <@celticminstrel> | (I can't remember clearly that far back though.) |
| 23:07 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 23:07 | <@celticminstrel> | (And no longer have an OS9 machine, sadly.) |
| 23:07 | <&McMartin> | One can check in a Terminal with osascript -e 'display dialog "Zomg"' |
| 23:07 | <@celticminstrel> | (Sadly because it means I can't play certain games.) |
| 23:08 | <@celticminstrel> | execution error: No user interaction allowed. (-1713) |
| 23:08 | <&McMartin> | I don't really care prior to 10.9 but if it *does* work on 10.7 or so that's nice |
| 23:08 | <&McMartin> | Oh interesting |
| 23:08 | <@celticminstrel> | Pretty sure it'll work in scripts not run through the command-line though... |
| 23:08 | | * McMartin nods |
| 23:09 | <&McMartin> | Right now I'm reworking some horrific combination of bash and -- originally -- x11 cli tools |
| 23:09 | <&McMartin> | into a horrific mash of bash and applescript |
| 23:09 | <&McMartin> | I'd *prefer* to not need to add a full ObjC app stub here, but I have a sinking feeling I may need to. |
| 23:10 | <@celticminstrel> | Well, display dialog is pretty basic though, IIRC it only supports a certian number of buttons and maybe one text entry field. |
| 23:10 | <&McMartin> | Indeed, the actual application is using "choose from list" |
| 23:11 | <&McMartin> | (Being as it is about 8 applications in one bundle, and while all other systems would just have all 8 executables sitting wherever, here to keep them and their frameworks and data in one place, there's a launcher script to pick which one you want to run on launch.) |
| 23:11 | <&McMartin> | (The 'real' solution would be to make it a busybox-like application but that is infeasible as an OS-specific build option) |
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| 23:15 | <@celticminstrel> | Back |
| 23:15 | <@celticminstrel> | ...or maybe not. |
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| 23:16 | <@celticminstrel> | Back now. |
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| 23:24 | <&McMartin> | ... when I export a script as an application it somehow turns it into a Java classfile |
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