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| 00:31 | | * Tamber screams a bit |
| 00:31 | | * Jessikat screams a whole byte |
| 00:32 | | * Tamber screams a few incoherent words. |
| 00:32 | <@Attilla> | 8 times as mch screaming |
| 00:32 | <@Tamber> | I have spent a significant amount of time these last two days, trying to get php on my server to recognise that I've installed the damn mysql modules and whatnot; the installer for roundcube went from "not available" to "not there, but you could enable them!" |
| 00:33 | <@Tamber> | So I've been prodding and poking and cursing and jabbing at all the various possible php.ini files (even though I'm using php-fpm, it doesn't use the /etc/php/fpm/php.ini file, oh no that would be too sensible. It uses /etc/php/cgi/php.ini.) |
| 00:33 | <@Tamber> | But nothing has had any effect. |
| 00:33 | <@Tamber> | (And, bearing in mind, I've been restarting the fpm service and lighttpd each time I make a change.) |
| 00:34 | <@Tamber> | I think I've been bitten by systemd. |
| 00:34 | <@Tamber> | Because when I told it to restart the fucking php processes, apparently it's just twiddled its thumbs, gone "okay, I restarted them!", but didn't... y'know... kill the old processes and start new ones. |
| 00:35 | <@Tamber> | systemd is so far *below* ratshit, that I won't insult rodent fecal matter by comparing the two. |
| 00:35 | <@Tamber> | I did a systemctl stop php5-fpm, and it said "yep, okay, service stopped!" |
| 00:35 | <@Tamber> | But left all the php processes running. |
| 00:35 | <@Tamber> | I pkill all the php processes and tell systemd to bring the service back up again, whaddya know, suddenly I have my database support listed. |
| 00:40 | | * Tamber sigh. |
| 00:40 | <@Tamber> | Not a fan of this half-assed, half-baked, incompetent bullshit "Works on *MY* laptop" crap propping up my server. |
| 00:41 | <@Tamber> | (But do I want to tear down everything I've done so far, and install a new OS, then go through all the pain of configuring everything again? ...not really.) |
| 00:48 | <&[R]> | Don't really need to configure everything again, just copy the configs over |
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| 01:06 | <@himi> | Systemd doesn't interact really well with services that have complex init scripts |
| 01:06 | <@himi> | It works really well with services that run in the foreground rather than forking |
| 01:06 | | * Tamber gets out the red marker, reduces that to "systemd doesn't really work" |
| 01:07 | <@himi> | Whatever |
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| 01:13 | <&[R]> | The fuck |
| 01:13 | <&[R]> | Most other things work with initscripts like that just fine |
| 01:14 | <@Tamber> | Yup! Except the init scripts here are just a layer over systemctl |
| 01:14 | <&[R]> | systemd's ONLY selling point is its near ubiquity. Everything else out performs it in all classes. |
| 01:15 | <@Tamber> | I wouldn't exactly call that a selling point. |
| 01:15 | <&[R]> | And they do it without needing to close major security vulnerabilities with WONTFIX |
| 01:15 | <&McMartin> | I thought all its alternatives predated it. |
| 01:15 | <&[R]> | Most do, some don't |
| 01:21 | <@himi> | The only times I've had issues with systemd misbehaving in that kind of way is when it's trying to drive an init script that's overly "smart" |
| 01:22 | <@himi> | When dealing with a service defined in a unit file, even ones that fork, I've not run into this sort of thing |
| 01:24 | <@himi> | Also, suggesting that "everything else" out performs systemd in all classes is ridiculous when the most popular "competitor" is sysv init |
| 01:35 | <&McMartin> | Pretty sure at least one of the arguments is that having everything be a pile of shellscripts is a feature because you can just read what they do and edit them as needed |
| 02:04 | <&[R]> | Pretty sure OpenRC's the runner up |
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| 02:28 | <@himi> | McMartin given the complexity of the shell scripts and supporting libraries and tools in use these days, just reading the init script is rarely going to tell you much more than "oh, it's trying to run this binary with arguments from that file" - the init scripts which end up misbehaving under systemd are /far/ more complex than that in my experience, and are damn near unreadable even for a reasonably experienced shell coder |
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| 02:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | Speaking of systemd |
| 02:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | If I run calibre-server from the shell, it works fine |
| 02:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | If I run it as a system or user unit, it works fine except that none of the image thumbnails are served because the library call that's meant to scale them returns None. |
| 02:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | I have no idea why. |
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| 03:13 | <@himi> | TF: that's definitely a weird one |
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| 17:39 | <&ToxicFrog> | https://i.imgur.com/JbI09Tx.jpg |
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