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| 00:33 | <&[R]> | McMartin: Which one? |
| 00:33 | <&[R]> | The LDP one? |
| 00:33 | <&[R]> | Err, "Linux Programmer's Manual" |
| 00:34 | <&McMartin> | The one I get when I type "man gets" on Fedora or Ubuntu, I guess |
| 00:35 | <&[R]> | Top line, center, what's it say? |
| 00:35 | <&[R]> | One I'm looking at is actually titled fgetc(3) |
| 00:35 | <&McMartin> | "Linux Programmer's Manual" |
| 00:36 | <&McMartin> | "Description: Never use this function." |
| 00:36 | <&McMartin> | "Return value: ... there can be no guarantee that this function will even return." |
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| 00:37 | <&[R]> | Oh, I typed fgets by habit |
| 00:37 | <&McMartin> | fgets is actually usable. |
| 00:37 | <&[R]> | Yeah |
| 00:37 | <&[R]> | $ man 3 gets |
| 00:37 | <&[R]> | man: No entry for gets in the manual. |
| 00:37 | <&[R]> | ^ OpenBSD |
| 00:38 | < RchrdB> | nice |
| 00:38 | <&[R]> | OpenBSD gives fgets a page and a half to itself |
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| 00:39 | <&McMartin> | "BSD Library Functions Manual", shipped with Xcode/Darwin, puts fgets and gets on the same page, and is much more restrained about the apocalyptic badness of gets(). |
| 00:39 | <&McMartin> | It restricts itself to a section marked "SECURITY CONSIDERATIONS" that begins "The gets() function cannot be used securely." |
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| 01:21 | <&[R]> | How does one calculate a root? |
| 01:21 | <&[R]> | I know that sqrt() can do a square root, but I want to do cube roots |
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| 01:22 | <&[R]> | Oh, there's a cbrt() function! |
| 01:24 | <&[R]> | Also I forgot about ^1/n |
| 01:24 | <&[R]> | Derp |
| 01:27 | <~Vornicus> | /me patpats [R] |
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| 02:45 | <@mac> | Is <sup> acceptable in modern HTML, or is it deprecated like <b> and <i>? |
| 02:45 | <&[R]> | <b> is deprecated? |
| 02:45 | <&[R]> | D: |
| 02:46 | <&McMartin> | <strong> and <em> |
| 02:46 | < Mahal> | it's been deprecated for years |
| 02:46 | <&[R]> | Lame |
| 02:47 | <&McMartin> | sup is still fine in HTML5. |
| 02:47 | <&McMartin> | "According to the HTML 5 specification, the <b> tag should be used as a LAST resort when no other tag is more appropriate. The HTML 5 specification states that headings should be denoted with the <h1> to <h6> tags, emphasized text should be denoted with the <em> tag, important text should be denoted with the <strong> tag, and marked/highlighted text should use the <mark> tag." |
| 02:47 | <&McMartin> | Not so much deprecated as "please don't" |
| 02:48 | <&McMartin> | To which the Internet at large has largely said "lol sure dudez" |
| 02:48 | <@mac> | McMartin: Danke. |
| 02:48 | < Mahal> | I don't understand the difference between <strong> and <b> |
| 02:48 | < Mahal> | ... is there one? |
| 02:49 | < Mahal> | visually, to the reader, I mean? |
| 02:49 | <@mac> | Mahal: Notionally, 'strong' just means 'strongly emphasised text', and it is merely /convention/ that bold font is used to indicated this. |
| 02:49 | <&McMartin> | Mahal: Not by default. |
| 02:50 | <&McMartin> | The idea here is that a CSS sheet might say "actually, strongly emphasized text should be in red instead of bold" |
| 02:50 | <&McMartin> | And it's less offensive to them to redefine <strong> than to redefine <b> |
| 02:50 | <&McMartin> | Which you can, mind you, totally do. |
| 02:50 | <&McMartin> | You can say "<b> means font-color: red instead" with a single line of CSS |
| 02:50 | | * Mahal nods |
| 02:51 | < Mahal> | b{font-color: red}, ISTR |
| 02:51 | < Mahal> | I have done such things myself, back in the dark ages of online journalling |
| 02:51 | <@mac> | Mahal: The problem is, now you have 'bold' text that isn't actually /bold/. |
| 02:52 | <&McMartin> | And then kittens are sad |
| 02:52 | <&McMartin> | Think of the kittens |
| 02:52 | <~Vornicus> | <b> and <i> are for when you actually mean "this should be formatted bold for reasons that aren't any of the things we also have tags for" |
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| 05:46 | <@Turaiel> | lol, Freenode just k-lined the entire network |
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| 05:48 | <&McMartin> | A bunch of cool stuff; https://bumbershootsoft.wordpress.com/2017/08/17/link-roundup/ |
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| 13:48 | <&[R]> | I seriously hate modern build systems |
| 13:48 | <&[R]> | Why do they all think that hiding where it gets shit is a great idea? |
| 13:50 | <&[R]> | Then again, this one's built on Java, which is absolutely stupid about finding shit so I guess the braindamage became contagious there |
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| 14:13 | <@gnolam> | Things that are unexpectedly annoying: having the codebase and resource naming in US English but the documentation in British English. |
| 14:14 | <&[R]> | Okay, so I have a few git source trees, they helpfully come with gradle files. I can use the files to build the projects, but I need to make use of them to build another project that doesn't have said files... I copied things over and made it run the build, but it generated a near empty jar. |
| 14:15 | <&[R]> | $ bsdtar -tvf mods/enderio-5.0-DEV.jar |
| 14:15 | <&[R]> | drwxrwxrwx 0 0 0 0 Jan 1 1980 META-INF/ |
| 14:15 | <&[R]> | -rw-rw-rw- 0 0 0 25 Jan 1 1980 META-INF/MANIFEST.MF |
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| 14:19 | <&[R]> | I don't even know where to start to fix this |
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