| --- Log opened Tue Aug 15 00:00:04 2017 |
| 00:29 | <@macdjord> | McMartin: ... dynamic scope sounds like a horrible, terrifying idea. |
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| 00:33 | <&McMartin> | It means you don't need special capabilities for formals or return values! |
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| 00:35 | <@himi> | Perl versus Python! |
| 00:36 | <@himi> | And shell, and a whole bunch of other scripting languages that are too lazy to do the damned thing properly |
| 00:36 | <&McMartin> | More seriously, Logo did this on purpose to make it easier to teach |
| 00:36 | <&McMartin> | Dynamic scoping has less to explain and is better than the only other thing with a similar protocol: "everything is global" |
| 00:36 | <&McMartin> | Which is what the other mass-usage languages rolled with back then |
| 00:36 | <@himi> | I guess that's an argument, but still . . . |
| 00:36 | <&McMartin> | (Early BASICs, FORTH) |
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| 00:39 | < ToxicFrog> | I was first exposed to it in postscript |
| 00:51 | < Jessikat`> | I mean, the lambda calculus has weird binding of variables because MAth |
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| 12:44 | < Jessikat> | Thought: C functions are effectively global variables, but we don't care about them because they are effectively immutable. |
| 13:17 | <&[R]> | JAAAAAAVVAAAAAAAA |
| 13:18 | <&[R]> | Unreachable code's a fatal error? wut |
| 13:18 | <&[R]> | I don't want to comment out a ton of shit to test this shit |
| 13:19 | <&[R]> | Uhh, C functions are /NOT/ immutable? |
| 13:27 | < ToxicFrog> | [R]: if you use W^X the code is immutable, and in practice you can't reassign the symbol, so...yes? |
| 13:28 | <&[R]> | Right, so they'd be constants, not variables. |
| 13:30 | < ToxicFrog> | So what is your actual claim here? |
| 13:37 | <&[R]> | Did you miss Jessikat's line? |
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| 14:49 | < ToxicFrog> | No, but you seem to be saying both that they are mutable, and that they're const |
| 14:50 | <&[R]> | Her statement suggested there were conditions that they'd be considered mutable. |
| 14:51 | < ToxicFrog> | There are. Turn off W^X on a Von Neumann architecture machine and go wild. |
| 14:52 | <&[R]> | The only actual claim I made was "they'd be constants". My first line was merely questioning the statement that they had conditions where they were mutable. |
| 14:53 | <&[R]> | Sure, but you could abuse similar situations to make anything that's considered immutable mutable. |
| 14:53 | <&[R]> | Which completely defeats the purpose of labeling something immutable. |
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| --- Log closed Wed Aug 16 00:00:05 2017 |