| --- Log opened Sun Apr 02 00:00:37 2017 |
| 00:27 | < RchrdB> | Running on bare hardware? |
| 00:28 | < RchrdB> | I mean do you have an actualy physical DOS machine or are you running DOS inside a VM of some kind like Qemu/Bochs/whatever DOSbox uses? :) |
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| 01:10 | <&McMartin> | DOSBox |
| 01:10 | <&McMartin> | (Which is a very WINE-like system, emulating most BIOS/DOS functionality at the syscall level) |
| 01:10 | <&McMartin> | (But then has a ton of hardware emulation that the VMs/emus don't bother with) |
| 01:12 | <&McMartin> | In particular DOSBox actually makes no claims to run DOS software generally - its reason to exist is specifically to enable old games to keep running properly as hardware and software age out. |
| 01:12 | <&McMartin> | If you need to use DOS software in a production environment for some reason - and I am assured these reasons totally exist - FreeDOS is the preferred solution. |
| 01:33 | <&[R]> | Interestingly, AIUI, DOSBox's userspace is actually FreeDOS' |
| 01:34 | <&McMartin> | Mostly true! |
| 01:34 | <&McMartin> | If you're doing serious file-level work, at least. |
| 01:35 | <&McMartin> | It's just that actually ensuring all that stuff works is considered "out of scope", as I understand it. |
| 01:35 | <&McMartin> | And I think *in particular* block level drive simulation is right out. |
| 01:35 | <&McMartin> | so format.com is not going to do what you intend. |
| 01:37 | <&[R]> | I wouldn't expect format.com to work at all in DOSBox TBH |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | All my old toolkits, libraries, and applications from ~1992 all run fine in there, and I still have them, so... |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | Indeed it does not! |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | But it *will* in FreeDOS, because FreeDOS is being An Actual OS |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | Of course, FreeDOS does require the system to provide a real BIOS. |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | That's no longer guaranteed. |
| 01:40 | <&[R]> | I think you might have misunderstood exactly what I meant |
| 01:40 | <&[R]> | The userspace in DOSBox originally appeared in FreeDOS |
| 01:41 | <&McMartin> | Can you be clearer about what you mean by "userspace" here |
| 01:41 | <&McMartin> | Since, after all, the traditional definition does not apply~ |
| 01:41 | <&McMartin> | I thought you meant "the commands you associate with doing things in DOS" |
| 01:41 | <&[R]> | That's what I meant yeah |
| 01:42 | <&[R]> | You seem to be under the impression I said they're exactly the same |
| 01:42 | <&[R]> | Which they're obviously not. |
| 01:42 | <&McMartin> | I'm now confused because you appear to be asserting they exist at all. |
| 01:42 | <&McMartin> | A stock DOSBox install good enough to run late-1990s games doesn't even *have* a DOS\ directory and none of those commands work. |
| 01:43 | <&McMartin> | You can go get them and stick 'em in, and they do in fact mostly work if they're operating at the filesystem level and don't rely on other weirdness |
| 01:43 | <&McMartin> | (I had a DOS 2.1 that relied on a supplemental ROM cartridge back in the day, true story) |
| 03:08 | <&McMartin> | I'm not sure if this is the right channel for this, but what the heck |
| 03:10 | <&McMartin> | Does anyone here have recommendations for software for creating paper versions of musical scores? |
| 03:10 | <&McMartin> | Googling around shows many dozens, but if anyone has one they particularly like already, it's nice to have pointers. |
| 03:10 | | * McMartin is otherwise leaning towards MuseScore. |
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| 05:03 | <@celticminstrel> | Is this static cast thing even safe? http://stackoverflow.com/q/657155/1502810 |
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| 05:20 | <&[R]> | McMartin: <ebuch> Finale and Sibelius are the popular choices, if you're looking for something free I've heard MuseScore is popular, but not as good of course |
| 05:21 | <&McMartin> | Awesome |
| 05:22 | <&McMartin> | And yeah, I'm looking for something free as I'm not a pro and only barely a hobbyist; MuseScore was specifically a thing I found as "equivalent to" those two in my own searches |
| 05:22 | <&McMartin> | So, checks out |
| 05:25 | <@celticminstrel> | MuseScore, huh. I've been using Finale... but I find it a little annoying sometimes, so I might check this out... |
| 05:28 | <&McMartin> | My immediate use case here is that I've been scoring the Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask spells for pennywhistle where possible and need to write it down in a way that doesn't involve taking cell phone camera pictures of my musical notebooks =P |
| 06:01 | <&McMartin> | Seems legit: https://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/Song_of_Storms.pdf |
| 06:02 | <&McMartin> | (It should probably mark a single flat key signature, but oh well, still figuring out how to use this thing) |
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| 06:46 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh hey, I didn't know about this. http://www.codesynthesis.com/~boris/blog/2012/04/25/shared-ptr-aliasing-construc tor/ |
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| 08:47 | < Jessikat> | celmin|ZzzZzzz: I found it about it when I was implementing shared_ptr, it's interesting |
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| 11:08 | <@gnolam> | McMartin: are you just transcribing an existing score you already have written down or are you intending to write from scratch? |
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| 11:09 | <@gnolam> | If the first, that's what LilyPond is for (music LaTeX, basically). |
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| 11:10 | <@gnolam> | If the second... then MuseScore is basically the only free alternative even worth looking at. |
| 11:12 | <@gnolam> | And even then, it's packed so full of awful design decisions that I have seriously considered writing my own software. |
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| 12:57 | < Jessikat`> | https://paste.ofcode.org/3asnFYADXTuNS7xrQeRFKxB |
| 12:57 | < Jessikat`> | C++, fun times |
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| 21:10 | <&Derakon> | https://twitter.com/amolrajanBBC/status/848153909130665984/ |
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| 22:49 | <&McMartin> | gnolam: Some of both, but LilyPond also sounds relevant to my interests. Both are, in their own way, overkill for me |
| 23:34 | <&McMartin> | GUIDO might be a more reasonable power level |
| --- Log closed Mon Apr 03 00:00:38 2017 |