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| 00:02 | <@gnolam> | So... how many people did you save by blowing the trolleys out of their temporary storage locations?~ |
| 00:13 | <@Reiv> | ... why would one be measuring people saved? |
| 00:14 | <@gnolam> | Because that's what trolleys are for: deciding who lives and who dies.~ |
| 00:15 | <@gnolam> | (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem ) |
| 00:16 | | * Reiv has gnolam thrown off a bridge on a trolley. Death toll: 1. |
| 00:19 | < LadyOfLight> | Death Troll: 1 |
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| 05:26 | <&McMartin> | Man, it's pretty easy to tell when someone new finds Bumbershoot |
| 05:26 | <&McMartin> | Because there's this sudden huge spike of views-per-visitor as they plow through the entire archives. |
| 05:26 | <&McMartin> | Yesterday it was Someone In Ireland. |
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| 08:07 | <&[R]> | McMartin: your blog? |
| 08:07 | <@abudhabi> | Yeah. |
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| 08:30 | <&Reiver> | Hardware: Which brands of SSD should I be looking at to buy? |
| 08:32 | < Vornotron> | Super Smexy Drives co |
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| 09:11 | <@abudhabi> | Sounds like a cromulent company name. |
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| 10:54 | <&[R]> | I have a server application that has rhino embedded into it for scripting purposes. Is there a way to hook into that server and get an interactive rhino shell? |
| 10:54 | <&[R]> | I did get the debugger running in a new thread has gotten me the debugger, which includes a console. However it's ignoring keyboard inputs, which is unhelpful. |
| 11:52 | | * TheWatcher eyes npm |
| 11:52 | <@TheWatcher> | Why the fuck is this giving me "Cannot fine module 'internal/fs'" errors? |
| 11:58 | <&[R]> | O.o |
| 11:59 | <&[R]> | TheWatcher: node --version and npm --version? |
| 12:00 | <&[R]> | Actually, sounds like graceful-fs is outdated somewhere? Are you installing gulp? |
| 12:00 | <&[R]> | (From google) |
| 12:00 | <@TheWatcher> | YEah, I'm in the process of nuking all of node and reinstalling |
| 12:01 | <@TheWatcher> | Yep, that fixed it |
| 12:01 | <&[R]> | \o/ |
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| 12:13 | <@abudhabi> | Good news: Coworker seems competent. |
| 12:13 | <@TheWatcher> | Huzzah |
| 12:13 | <@abudhabi> | (Fresh out of university, too, which is surprising.) |
| 12:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | Reiver: Samsung and Intel are generally safe bets (but Samsung generally has better price/storage and performance). Crucial and OCZ are known to be bad; avoid. |
| 12:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | If you need M.2 2242 I think A-Data is your only option there, but in that case you probably want two disks in raid1 lest one of them explode; their quality control isn't as good as Samsung. |
| 12:30 | < LadyOfLight> | There's something kind of amusing about watching your colleagues make the same mistakes you did and being completely unable to convince them of it |
| 12:37 | <@TheWatcher> | Nobody listens to Zathras. |
| 12:52 | < LadyOfLight> | :3 |
| 12:53 | < LadyOfLight> | On the plus side, today I get to purge the worst code I have in production |
| 12:53 | <@TheWatcher> | Wewt! |
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| 13:15 | < Vornucopia> | woot |
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| 15:11 | <@abudhabi> | I'm suddenly liking this job. |
| 15:11 | <@abudhabi> | I don't have to everything myself anymore. |
| 15:11 | <@abudhabi> | I can shunt tasks I don't like on the unsuspecting newbie. :V |
| 15:13 | <@abudhabi> | Also, I'm greatly appreciating how I'm not sitting with my back to anyone most of the time. It's incredible how much a difference that makes. |
| 15:14 | <@abudhabi> | Spent two years like that, and it was awful. |
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| 18:21 | <&jerith> | abudhabi: "Don't sit facing a wall" is second on my list of office requirements. |
| 18:21 | <&jerith> | ("Don't be in an open plan area" is first.) |
| 18:21 | <&jerith> | (Zeroth is "work from home instead".) |
| 18:25 | <@abudhabi> | I was about to type that I wouldn't do any work from home, but I sometimes do. And it's OK, but that's a job where I get may be 10 hours a month. |
| 18:26 | <@abudhabi> | This job has us in a sort of six-person cubicle. |
| 18:26 | <@abudhabi> | With 3-4 most of the time. |
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| 18:35 | <&jerith> | Working from home isn't a thing I'd necessarily recommend to everyone. |
| 18:36 | <&jerith> | Facing a wall makes my eyes hurt, because I need to be able to focus on things at different distances through the day. |
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| 18:39 | <@abudhabi> | I just feel uncomfortable, and find it difficult to concentrate, if there are people sitting behind me. I don't have to have a wall there, but I have to have a reasonable suspicion that there's nobody there. |
| 18:39 | <&jerith> | Is it a "people can see my screen" thing? |
| 18:39 | <@abudhabi> | Yes. |
| 18:39 | <&jerith> | Because I have a certain amount of that. |
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| 18:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | ^ |
| 18:42 | <&jerith> | In my case, it's because a lot of my work time involves playing silly webgames and such to engage certain parts of my brain so the rest can solve a problem or whatever. |
| 18:44 | <&jerith> | And I know my colleagues know this and are okay with it, but it still feels like I should be giving the appearance of working when I'm in a room full of people working. |
| 18:46 | <@abudhabi> | In my last job, I was sitting in a three-person office, facing a partly-glass wall leading to the corridor. And in retrospect, I found that a large portion of my time was nervously glancing at my two coworkers in the partial mirror in front of me, whether they are observing me. |
| 18:46 | <&jerith> | (This has occasionally been in issue at previous jobs.) |
| 18:48 | <@Tamber> | We're not paying you to think, we're paying you to sit at a desk and type! |
| 18:49 | <@abudhabi> | Yup, I got two talkings-to from my boss that I seemed to be occupied too much with browsing/whatever and not enough time pretending to be working. |
| 18:49 | <@abudhabi> | He did not accept my style of work (work a little, browse a little, check company internal chat, work a little, etc) as valid. |
| 18:51 | <@abudhabi> | (A large part of the reason why I quit was the incompatibility between Nordic and Slavic notions of management and employee behaviour.) |
| 18:51 | <@abudhabi> | (Not just the poor seating arrangement.) |
| 18:52 | <&jerith> | At my previous job, my boss was very apologetic about it. She understood it, and so did everyone I worked with directly, but there were a few people who were more interested in politics than productivity in that office. |
| 18:53 | <@abudhabi> | Tamber: This is kind of why I miss working as a rank prole sometimes. A manual job doesn't require you to think about anything in particular, just exert yourself in a repetitive fashion. Quite unlike a white collar office job. |
| 18:54 | <&jerith> | There aren't enough audiobooks in the universe for that to work for me. |
| 18:54 | <&jerith> | My brain needs to be engaged with *something*, otherwise my sanity suffers. |
| 18:56 | <@abudhabi> | jerith: Seems we're alike in that way. I've really tried to fit in, for something like 15 months, before I threw in the towel. |
| 18:57 | <&[R]> | Anyone know what keycode 44 is supposed to be? |
| 18:57 | <&jerith> | The internet says printscreen. |
| 19:00 | <&[R]> | Thanks |
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| 20:56 | <@gnolam> | abudhabi: "Nordic and Slavic notions of management and employee behaviour"? |
| 21:09 | <@Azash> | gnolam: http://web.archive.org/web/20140319235431/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managemen t_by_perkele |
| 21:23 | <@abudhabi> | gnolam: A friend of mine (some Norwegian executive of a multinational corp in Russia) explained it to me when I explained why I quit my job. |
| 21:24 | <@abudhabi> | Basically, Norwegians (probably other Scandis too) and Russians (and apparently other Slavs) have different notions of what constitutes doing good work. |
| 21:26 | <@abudhabi> | My experience with the Norwegians was that the boss would have a friendly talk with the subordinates about the vague goals of the project they were on, and send the employees off to do whatever they deemed right, occassionally making corrective talks to put them on the path of his vision. |
| 21:26 | <@abudhabi> | Given this treatment, Slavs tend to do nothing. |
| 21:27 | <@abudhabi> | To the Slavic mind, you are good worker if you do *exactly* what the boss told you to, nothing more, nothing less. |
| 21:27 | <@abudhabi> | Vagueness and friendliness are just confusing and demoralizing. |
| 21:28 | <@abudhabi> | Initiative is expected only if you have some sort of formal authority to give others tasks. The Norwegians view this as micromanagement. |
| 21:29 | <@abudhabi> | OTOH, Norwegian construction site managers very much like East Euro workers, because unlike natives, they do not complain, or try to think around exertion. They will do whatever you tell them to, as long as you pay them, without question. |
| 21:29 | <@abudhabi> | Norwegians will just complain and try to get you to apply effort-saving measures if they deem the task too onerous. |
| 21:40 | <@abudhabi> | Azash: Did the deletionists delete that? |
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| 21:48 | <@gnolam> | Azash: that article forcefully makes the point that there is no Nordic notion of management. |
| 21:54 | <@abudhabi> | OTOH, the Finns aren't really like the others. :V |
| 22:06 | <@gnolam> | abudhabi: thanks for the explanation. |
| 22:06 | <@abudhabi> | NP. |
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