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04:01 | <&McMartin> | So, Vornotron |
04:01 | <&McMartin> | Here is an interesting graphics primitive for you, looted from the Spectrum |
04:02 | <&McMartin> | It has a command for arc-drawing |
04:02 | <&McMartin> | I'm used to this being "center of the circle, start and end angle" |
04:02 | <&McMartin> | It provides, instead, "start point, end point, and the angle through which it travels" |
04:07 | < Vornotron> | svg uses start point (implied), end point, and radius. |
04:09 | < Vornotron> | I once built one for chalain that was "point at which the arc is horizontal" and "point the circle passes through" |
04:09 | < Vornotron> | Which was a fun one |
04:12 | < Vornotron> | postscript has, as "arct", one that can be used for rounding corners: you specify three points A B C such that AB and BC are tangent lines to your target circle, and a radius. |
04:15 | <@celticminstrel> | What was UCB Logo's arc function...? |
04:16 | <@celticminstrel> | I think it was something like "centre, radius, arc". |
04:16 | <@celticminstrel> | ^angle |
04:16 | <@celticminstrel> | Turtke heading was probably used too. |
04:16 | <@celticminstrel> | ^Turtle |
04:17 | < Vornotron> | LOGO had start point radius and angle through. |
04:18 | <&McMartin> | Sinclair BASIC's graphics primitives are a weird mix of cartesian plotting and turtle-like effects |
04:18 | < Vornotron> | actually, logo had start point, start angle, radius, and I think angle through |
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05:50 | < chatter> | hey guys |
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05:52 | < chatter> | allah is doing |
05:52 | < chatter> | sun is not doing allah is doing |
05:52 | < chatter> | to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger |
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06:00 | <&McMartin> | New Bumbershoot post, in which I cause a ZX81 to suffer various kinds of brain damage: https://bumbershootsoft.wordpress.com/2017/03/05/zx81-basic-programs-and-file-fo rmats/ |
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08:20 | <&jerith> | Ugh. Piston doesn't seem to have a way to look up mouse coordinates. |
08:20 | <&jerith> | They only arrive in mouse move events. They notably *don't* arrive in mouse button events. |
08:35 | < Vornotron> | What. |
08:40 | <&jerith> | I'm starting to think I should try find a different library. |
08:42 | <&[R]> | Do they tell you what button is pressed at least, or do you have to wait for the button-up event? |
08:42 | <&jerith> | They tell you which button is pressed. |
08:42 | <&jerith> | All the code I've found that uses this tracks mouse position by watching for move events. |
08:43 | <&jerith> | But you're not guaranteed to get one of those before the first click. |
08:59 | <&McMartin> | ... i'm not sure but I think that tracks every mouse system I've ever seen in the 32-bit world |
09:03 | <&jerith> | Pretty much everything else I've seen at least gives you a way to query the mouse position. |
09:03 | <&McMartin> | Under the hood I think those are just secretly tracking the move events themselves |
09:03 | <&McMartin> | I last remember "where is mouse omg" being a function in, uh, direct BIOS calls in real mode |
09:04 | <&jerith> | How does SDL do this? |
09:04 | <&jerith> | Do you know offhand? |
09:04 | <&McMartin> | Almost positive it's exactly like Piston. |
09:04 | <&McMartin> | But this is also, IIRC, how Win32 itself does it, unless mouse clicks have position info in them |
09:04 | <&McMartin> | Which they might |
09:04 | <&McMartin> | One moment while I check WM_MESSAGE details |
09:05 | <&jerith> | Most things I've seen put mouse position info in click events. |
09:05 | <&McMartin> | Aha, Win32 does in fact do this |
09:06 | <&jerith> | It's incredibly frustrating to get a mouse click event and not be able to use it because you don't know where the mouse is. |
09:06 | <&McMartin> | SDL also packages the x/y data, it looks like, which makes sense because it also packages window information directly. |
09:06 | <&McMartin> | Piston isn't looking closely enough at the things that should be its inspirations. =P |
09:07 | <&jerith> | But in Piston, a mouse click is a Press or Release event with a MouseButton enum in it. |
09:07 | <&McMartin> | Mouse *Wheel* events do not have locations associated |
09:07 | <&McMartin> | The x/y there are how far the wheel moved, which implies it's less wheel and more trackball |
09:08 | <&jerith> | These same events can also hold a keyboard enum of some kind. |
09:08 | <&McMartin> | This is also true of SDL events, which are very much ML-style tagged unions |
09:08 | <&McMartin> | Which was one reason I always liked SDL; C does tagged unions so much better than it does OO. -_- |
09:09 | <&jerith> | This API is doubly infuriating because there are multiple ways in which the mouse position can change without necessarily triggering a move event. |
09:09 | <&jerith> | A Rust enum is basically a tagged union. |
09:10 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
09:10 | <&McMartin> | That's why there's even less excuse. =P |
09:11 | <&McMartin> | On consideration yeah this one's on Piston |
09:12 | | * Azash goes to check out a channel on Freenode |
09:12 | <@Azash> | 08:41 < chatter29> allah is doing |
09:12 | <@Azash> | >_> |
09:17 | <&McMartin> | Yep |
09:29 | | * jerith tries ggez instead of Piston. |
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09:40 | <&[R]> | <McMartin> ... i'm not sure but I think that tracks every mouse system I've ever seen in the 32-bit world <-- Allegro doesn't! |
09:40 | <&[R]> | Though Allegro's very different in that it keeps variables of the input state rather than sending events. |
09:47 | <&McMartin> | Yeah as noted I had that bascacally totally backwards |
09:55 | | * [R] was more giving a really different case |
09:56 | <&[R]> | As you don't really get told when a button is pushed or the mouse is moved in Allegro, you just ask where things are right now when you care to check. |
10:06 | < LadyOfLight`> | iirc Allegro vastly changed their input model with 5 |
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10:07 | < LadyOfLight> | The older versions are definitely polling all the way down |
10:09 | <&[R]> | Ah, I haven't used it in a long time |
10:10 | <&[R]> | IIRC though, you could do it event-based if you wanted to though |
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10:54 | <&jerith> | Bleh. ggez is very primitive. |
10:55 | <&jerith> | McMartin, LadyOfLight`: Want to help me build a game engine in Rust? :-D |
10:55 | < LadyOfLight`> | nope! |
10:55 | < LadyOfLight`> | but thanks for asking :P |
10:57 | <&jerith> | Maybe I should just use rust-sdl2. |
11:01 | <&jerith> | I really want to like Piston, but it's just too broken. |
11:02 | <&jerith> | I kind of want to like ggez, but it's just too incomplete. |
11:06 | <&jerith> | ggez is heavily inspired by love2d. |
11:07 | <&jerith> | If it can do font rendering and input sensibly, I can probably forgive it the bits it's missing. |
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16:22 | <&jerith> | Aargh! This font rendering code is broken. :-( |
16:23 | <&jerith> | It seems to get everything right, except the actual rendered text is just a grey outline. |
16:24 | <&jerith> | https://docs.rs/ggez/0.2.2/src/ggez/graphics.rs.html#528-541 |
16:25 | <&jerith> | They set every colour component to the "amount of glyph in this pixel" value. |
16:25 | <&jerith> | Including the alpha value. |
16:27 | <&jerith> | I guess now I need to create an intermediate image for this to render to and then I can replace everything *except* the alpha with the colour I want the text to be. |
16:33 | | * celmin|sleep recalls something (SDL_TTF maybe?) that set the text to a solid colour and then using alpha alone to form the outlines. |
16:36 | <&jerith> | Yeah. Using a provided colour (or texture) and getting the alpha from the font renderer seems like the sensible approach. |
16:37 | <&jerith> | The thing is, this broken mechanism appears to work if you're drawing white on black. |
16:37 | <&jerith> | Or white on anything, I suppose. |
16:46 | <&jerith> | I guess I should just write my own text handler. |
16:48 | <&jerith> | Since I'd need to replace quite a lot to fix this, I may as well make it work in pixels instead of points and let me choose the size at draw time instead of load time. |
16:49 | | * jerith leaves this for now and starts looking at input handling. |
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17:07 | | * abudhabi is in devops hell. |
17:07 | <@abudhabi> | Still boning up on missing technologies. |
17:07 | <@abudhabi> | The development part is simple enough, I think. |
17:07 | <@abudhabi> | All these devops tools I barely heard about. |
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17:11 | <&jerith> | Which tools? |
17:11 | <&jerith> | I probably know some of them. |
17:14 | <@abudhabi> | Docker and Vagrant. I kiiiinda sorta know a miniscule amount about Docker. |
17:14 | <&jerith> | Ah. |
17:14 | <@abudhabi> | I'm still trying to figure out if that's all. |
17:14 | <@abudhabi> | There's stuff here that I haven't heard of, like Confluence. |
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17:15 | <&jerith> | Both of those are really terrible things, but both are also about the least terrible things for the stuff they do. |
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17:15 | <@abudhabi> | JIRA seems to just be a BT, so that's no biggie. |
17:15 | <&jerith> | Confluence is JIRA's wiki. |
17:15 | <@celticminstrel> | BT? |
17:15 | <@abudhabi> | Bug Tracker. |
17:15 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh. |
17:15 | <&jerith> | JIRA is HEAVYWEIGHT. |
17:15 | <@celticminstrel> | ??? |
17:16 | <&jerith> | It can be configured to work in all sorts of different ways. |
17:17 | <@abudhabi> | They gave me https://github.com/acntech/vagrant-xubuntu-developer (and a few repos with demo stuff) on Friday afternoon. |
17:17 | <@abudhabi> | I think I'm supposed to install that. |
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17:18 | <@abudhabi> | Let's see. Ant, Docker, IntelliJ, Java, Maven. |
17:18 | <@abudhabi> | I infer that Vagrant is some sort of custom package manager. |
17:19 | <&jerith> | vagrant is a VM manager. |
17:19 | <@abudhabi> | OK. What am I supposed to do with it? |
17:19 | <&jerith> | Think of it as a bunch of automation around virtualbox. |
17:20 | <&jerith> | That repo really should have instructions in the README. |
17:20 | <@abudhabi> | OK. So I install it, point it at the repo somehow, receive bacon^W work environment? |
17:20 | <&jerith> | But basically, you install vagrant and virtualbox, clone that repo, and `vagrant up` inside it. |
17:21 | <@abudhabi> | Right, OK. So I don't need to actually use Ubuntu. Good. |
17:21 | <@abudhabi> | I mean, on the hardware level. |
17:22 | <&jerith> | Then it downloads a base VM image, creates a VM from it, and runs whatever provisioning scripts are provided. |
17:22 | <@abudhabi> | Cool. Thanks. |
17:22 | <@abudhabi> | I'll do that once my unnecessary cygwin installation completes. |
17:23 | <@abudhabi> | So far, I'm hoping to be able to blab my way through the trial week. |
17:23 | <@abudhabi> | This is a government job, which I apparently got through four intermediary companies. |
17:24 | <&jerith> | Looking at the Vagrantfile in there, that basically means "apt-get update" and then "run puppet with the provided manifests". |
17:24 | <@abudhabi> | Given their performance in sourcing me a work laptop (I'm borrowing a spare left over when one of my employers moved to HK), and giving me a list of things to learn (on Friday afternoon, after being reminded of it), I don't think they're terribly efficient. |
17:25 | <&jerith> | Indeed. |
17:33 | <&jerith> | Oh gods. They don't specify a version of docker to install. |
17:34 | <&jerith> | So you basically get whatever is "current" when you set up the VM. |
17:34 | <@abudhabi> | And that is WELCOME TO DIE territory? |
17:35 | <&jerith> | abudhabi: You might find yourself needing to ask people what docker version they're running. |
17:35 | <@abudhabi> | And that would require manual installation. |
17:35 | <&jerith> | docker operates under the blind-optimism-and-not-thinking-things-through model of software development. |
17:36 | <&jerith> | So every release has exciting new bugs in it and existing features tend to be poorly designed and full of unexpected behaviour. |
17:46 | <@abudhabi> | jerith: I expect there's no version of Vagrant for Windows? |
17:46 | <&jerith> | I don't know. |
17:46 | <&jerith> | It's a pile of horrible Ruby, so it might work on Windows. |
17:47 | <&jerith> | https://www.vagrantup.com/ claims Windows support. |
17:47 | <@abudhabi> | Cool. |
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18:32 | | * abudhabi feels like in the days he installed Windows for a living. :V |
18:32 | <@abudhabi> | That waiting while shit installs. |
18:32 | <@abudhabi> | I've gotten to the point where I've started the vagrant up thingy. |
18:36 | <@abudhabi> | It appears to be... installing virtualbox? But I installed that already! |
18:36 | <@abudhabi> | Hm. Seems they ship a One True Version with the thing. |
18:39 | <&jerith> | That's not the case on OSX or Linux, as far as I recall. |
19:15 | <@abudhabi> | Hmm. No, now that it finished, it seems it was just downloading a base xubuntu image. |
19:44 | <@abudhabi> | SSH exited with non-zero, so vagrant assumes that something went wrong... but the virtual machine exists and works, and further `vagrant up` yields 'nothing to see here, all up to date'. |
19:46 | <&jerith> | Is anything useful showing on the VM's display? |
19:48 | <@abudhabi> | It seems an ubuntu of some sort. The user name is Vagrant. |
19:49 | <@abudhabi> | Java seems installed, not sure about other stuff. |
19:50 | <@abudhabi> | Something seems to have gone wrong with the intellij installation. |
19:51 | <&jerith> | Try `vagrant destroy; vagrant up`. |
19:51 | <&jerith> | It won't have to download the base image again. |
19:52 | <@abudhabi> | OK. It'll still configure for an hour. |
19:52 | <@abudhabi> | I think. |
19:53 | <&jerith> | Yeah, it still needs to install things and such. |
19:53 | <&jerith> | Hrm. |
19:53 | | * abudhabi does it. |
19:53 | <&jerith> | Maybe `vagrant provision` will help. |
19:53 | <@abudhabi> | Hopefully, it'll get installed right this time. |
19:53 | <&jerith> | Try that first, if you haven't already destroyed the VM. |
19:53 | <@abudhabi> | Destroyed. |
19:54 | | * jerith shrugs. |
19:54 | <@abudhabi> | Well, it's not like I don't have a couple hours still before bedtime. |
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20:13 | <@abudhabi> | jerith: What does provisioning do, anyway? |
20:14 | <&jerith> | It runs the provisioners defined in the Vagrantfile. |
20:14 | <@abudhabi> | Which are? |
20:14 | <&jerith> | If you look down at the bottom you'll see them. |
20:15 | <&jerith> | One is a shell thing that does "apt-get update", the other runs puppet. |
20:15 | <@abudhabi> | Yeah, I see it. |
20:16 | <@abudhabi> | Hrm. Same effect as previously... wait, I think I know what's going on. |
20:16 | <@abudhabi> | The virtual machine is going into sleep mode, due to inactivity, which causes the SSH connection from vagrant to go tits up. |
20:16 | <&jerith> | Huh. |
20:18 | <@abudhabi> | Hm. Or not. |
20:18 | <@abudhabi> | `vagrant provision` just now had the same effect without the simultaneous sleep. |
20:19 | <@abudhabi> | ==> defaeult: Debug: Processing report from vagrant with processor Puppet::Report::Store |
20:20 | <@abudhabi> | Then it craps out, and vagrant tells me the SSH command exited with non-zero status code. |
20:20 | <&jerith> | Something in puppet might be broken. |
20:21 | <@abudhabi> | I'll complain on Monday. |
20:21 | <&jerith> | Sometimes it just needs a few runs to get itself sorted out. |
20:22 | <&jerith> | I can't remember the right commands to run that puppet thing from inside the VM. |
20:23 | <&jerith> | But you can try `vagrant provision` a few more time. |
20:23 | <@abudhabi> | I will. |
20:28 | <@abudhabi> | jerith: Well, it's stopping up in the very same place every time. |
20:29 | <&jerith> | Can you pastebin the full log? |
20:30 | <@abudhabi> | That's a mite difficult, but I can at least do the last parts. |
20:32 | <@abudhabi> | jerith: http://pastebin.com/2dJ9L5wH |
20:32 | <@abudhabi> | I figure the Error is of some importance. |
20:33 | <&jerith> | ==> default: Notice: /Stage[main]/Intellij/Exec[intellij-install]/returns: gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file |
20:35 | <&jerith> | So yeah, it's failing to install intellij. |
20:36 | <@abudhabi> | Proposed solutions? |
20:36 | <&jerith> | Ask the people who provided it to fix it. |
20:37 | <@abudhabi> | Right-o. |
20:37 | <&jerith> | I could probably debug it with a bunch of fiddling in the VM, but it's Sunday night and it's not my VM. :-) |
20:37 | <@abudhabi> | Understandable. |
20:38 | <&jerith> | Also, since this is a work thing you should probably be doing it on work time instead of your own time. |
20:39 | <@abudhabi> | Maybe. I got told to look into this shit over the weekend before my trial week. |
20:39 | <&jerith> | Are you being paid for your weekend work? |
20:40 | <@abudhabi> | I'm not even sure I'll get paid for the trial week. :V |
20:42 | | * jerith takes a very dim view of employers who expect people to burn their own time on work projects. |
20:48 | <@abudhabi> | Well, I'm not super-happy about it, either, but it's the first proper opportunity I've been given with this agency, so I'm gonna try to make a good first impression. |
20:56 | <@abudhabi> | jerith: Thank you for your help, though. I can at least honestly claim to have done something, but having been impeded by failings of others. |
20:57 | <&jerith> | Glad I could help. |
20:58 | <&jerith> | I have dug into several of docker's darker corners, but I have thus far managed to entirely avoid docker-compose. |
20:59 | <@Tamber> | *blinkblink* docker-compost? |
21:00 | <&jerith> | No, docker-compose. More accurately described wy shorter form "d-compose".~ |
21:01 | <&jerith> | Some of my colleagues have found it useful, but it seems to be *way* too much of a hack for me to be comfortable with it. |
21:01 | <@Tamber> | hehe |
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