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| 03:03 | <&[R]> | -*- digitalcircuit suspects he's missing something obvious in Sput's template-y stuff >.< |
| 03:03 | <&[R]> | <digitalcircuit> "typename std::enable_if<std::is_enum<T>{}, int>::type = 0" â Use an 'int' type if T is an enum, and if not, treat as void (therefore don't consider this overload valid)..? |
| 04:03 | <&McMartin> | Success! |
| 04:03 | <&McMartin> | https://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/screenshots/WinCCA.png |
| 04:03 | <&McMartin> | https://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/screenshots/Win98-CCA-2.png |
| 04:03 | <&McMartin> | These are, in fact, the same binary |
| 04:06 | <~Vornicus> | Sweeeeet |
| 04:07 | <&McMartin> | Also shown, the glorious future of the "Internet" |
| 04:07 | <&McMartin> | With several links to get you started, like Compuserve and Prodigy |
| 04:08 | <&Derakon> | Context? Why are you doing this? |
| 04:08 | <&McMartin> | The same 17,408 byte binary |
| 04:09 | <&McMartin> | Derakon: First, it was "so, how hard is it to get a mixed pixel display and actual Windows widgets, so that I can port a neat-looking old BASIC program but still have mouse controls and ancillary displays without a bunch of modal BS" |
| 04:09 | <&Derakon> | But why Win98? |
| 04:09 | <&McMartin> | Then it was "How bad is the original Win32 interface anyway" (Spoiler: pretty bad, but not that bad) |
| 04:10 | <&McMartin> | then it was "Hmm, these APIs are pretty damn stable. I wonder just how stable they really are" |
| 04:10 | <&McMartin> | ... and then I was looking through my old CDs for something else and found my original Win98SE install CD and Certificate of Authenticity from, like, 1999 |
| 04:11 | <&McMartin> | After that things get a little hazy, but it appears to be a full day later and I have a functioning Win98 VM that's running some of my more recent code |
| 04:11 | <&McMartin> | In a certain sense this is all yak shaving |
| 04:11 | <&Derakon> | So this is basically a slightly more advanced version of your usual retrocoding predilections? |
| 04:11 | <&Derakon> | Or, uh, slightly less advanced~ |
| 04:11 | <&McMartin> | It kind of turned into that. |
| 04:12 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 04:12 | <&McMartin> | But yeah, some of this was "let's take what I learned about UI design and incompletely-automatic layout managers and just hit Windows at the bare metal" |
| 04:13 | <&McMartin> | Combined with "all other modes of direct Windows programming with a compiled language are a goddamn nightmare, require many megabytes of support libraries, or both" |
| 04:13 | <&McMartin> | And combining what I've learned on the iPhone with my abilities constructing OO-like structures in C... |
| 04:13 | <&McMartin> | ... and with a handful of features that apparently go back to Win98 if not Windows 3.1... |
| 04:14 | <&McMartin> | ... That's enough for "I want to draw a picture and have some buttons and displays next to it" |
| 04:14 | <&McMartin> | After that it was just, hrm |
| 04:14 | <&McMartin> | aggressive compatibility testing |
| 04:14 | <&Derakon> | Heh. |
| 04:14 | <&McMartin> | But that's actually really quite impressive |
| 04:15 | <&McMartin> | Because there isn't a single line of code shared between the Win9x and Win2k+ kernels. |
| 04:15 | <&McMartin> | But the application API and ABI is completely exact. |
| 04:17 | | * McMartin digs. "Also, apparently it could support every version of DirectX up to 8.0a." |
| 04:17 | <&Derakon> | Meanwhile, I'm doing old Project Euler problems (super-easy ones) since I haven't done any programming to speak of in a couple months and my job starts next Monday. |
| 04:17 | <&Derakon> | And apparently now Python won't let you do |
| 04:17 | <&Derakon> | foo = None |
| 04:17 | <&Derakon> | def bar(): |
| 04:18 | <&Derakon> | if foo is None: |
| 04:18 | <&Derakon> | .... |
| 04:18 | <&Derakon> | That is, I have a module-scoped variable that's refered to in bar(). |
| 04:18 | <&Derakon> | I'm getting a "referenced before assignment" error. |
| 04:18 | <&Derakon> | ...oh, right, nemmind. |
| 04:18 | <&McMartin> | If you assign foo at any point in the function you need to explicitly declare "global foo" at the top of bar |
| 04:18 | <&Derakon> | Python can't tell the difference between a module-scoped variable and an identically-named function-scoped variable. |
| 04:19 | <&Derakon> | ...right, thank you! Forgot about the "global" statement. |
| 04:21 | <&Derakon> | Now I'd like to know why every other time I import my library, Python segfaults. |
| 04:33 | <@Alek> | damn, that was impressive indeed. |
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| 07:26 | <@TheWatcher> | https://toggl.com/programming-princess - how to save the princess in 8 programming languages |
| 07:28 | < catadroid`> | I do love the lisp one |
| 07:31 | <&McMartin> | "I need a submarine but for the surface - but not a boat!" |
| 07:31 | <&McMartin> | https://toggl.com/worst-client-types-infographic |
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| 14:34 | <@gnolam> | Argh. |
| 14:34 | | * gnolam wants to assume a perfectly spherical cow, but cannot. |
| 14:38 | < catadroid> | Hurray, someone else is doing the long, tedious release for me |
| 14:41 | <@Tarinaky> | Did you hear about Squad quitting? |
| 14:43 | | * catadroid nods |
| 14:43 | <@Tarinaky> | End of an Era, lol. |
| 14:46 | < catadroid> | It... didn't sound like a wonderful place to work for |
| 14:47 | <@Tarinaky> | I haven't heard anything about that. |
| 14:47 | <@Tarinaky> | I kinda stopped playing KSP years ago. |
| 14:49 | | * catadroid nods |
| 14:50 | < catadroid> | Toddlebot likes it, they call it 'Boom!' |
| 14:53 | <@TheWatcher> | I would like to play KSP. Unfortunately its resource and scene management is so shite that installing the mods I actually want to play it with renders it essentially unplayable on my system >.< |
| 14:56 | < catadroid> | >.< |
| 14:59 | <@Tarinaky> | I really ought to get a new VPS but ~~effort~~ |
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| 16:07 | <@gnolam> | Tarinaky: Squad quitting? |
| 16:11 | < catadroid> | The KSP development team have all resigned |
| 16:14 | <@Tarinaky> | There's like... 2 devs who haven't resigned I think? |
| 16:43 | <@abudhabi> | What did they resign over? |
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| 18:20 | <&[R]> | <srg> http://www.pcinvasion.com/kerbal-space-program-devs-quit |
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| 18:56 | <@Emmy> | [R]: YIKES. |
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| 21:11 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm having some weirdness with projection matrices. Changing the near/far plane of my Orthographic is affecting the scale of the model... but I thought the whole point of an Ortho matrix was that the scale /doesn't/ change with depth... |
| 21:11 | <@Tarinaky> | Am I missing something derpy? |
| 21:23 | <&McMartin> | Within a given projection matrix, does altering the Z coordinate of objects seem to scale them? |
| 21:26 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm not really in a position with this where I can easily adjust the Z-coordinate of things. |
| 21:29 | <@Tarinaky> | I was trying to implement a perspective matrix - but it wasn't drawing anything... So I paired back to implement the Orthographic matrix which works, but I don't really understand how changing the near/far plane was having the effect it was having. |
| 21:29 | <@Tarinaky> | Suffice to say I don't have a model/view matrix atm. |
| 21:31 | <@Tarinaky> | This is the code setting the projection matrix (it's zero-initialised /elsewhere/) http://pastebin.com/eGcPXKHB |
| 21:32 | <@Tarinaky> | Sorry, I cut off a bit at the top: http://pastebin.com/7FV1SGTf |
| 21:34 | <@Tarinaky> | But that hsould be matching this? http://www.songho.ca/opengl/files/gl_projectionmatrix_eq16.png |
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| 22:04 | <@Tarinaky> | Regarding the initial question, in the Orthographic case, changing the z-coordinate of the model doesn't change the scale. So I guess that's okay. |
| 22:04 | <@Tarinaky> | Which just leaves me with... what am I doing wrong in my perspective matrix :/ |
| 22:19 | <&McMartin> | It's possible that in the ortho case the near/far plane interacts with the viewport mechanic in some unusual way. |
| 22:20 | <&McMartin> | Because that's what you're altering, right? The view frustum? |
| 22:20 | <&McMartin> | Which is more of a view rectangular-prism, because ortho, but. |
| 22:21 | <@Tarinaky> | Must be. |
| 22:21 | <&McMartin> | The fact that the f and n values show up in the normalization column is kind of concerning |
| 22:36 | <@Tarinaky> | I think it does in all the forms of the projection matrix I can find? |
| 22:37 | <@Tarinaky> | I think this is basically equivalent to what I have, just with cot instead of tan... |
| 22:37 | <@Tarinaky> | https://www.safaribooksonline.com/library/view/webgl-programming-guide/978013336 4903/graphics/appc_fig02.jpg |
| 22:38 | <@Tarinaky> | Wait, that's actually completely different... |
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