| --- Log opened Mon Oct 03 00:00:56 2016 |
| 00:38 | | * Vornicus vornballs |
| 00:49 | | * McMartin implements window painting functions in Win32 without a net or helper libraries |
| 00:49 | <&McMartin> | Some days you just need to getRect() |
| 00:54 | <&Derakon> | Without .NET, eh? |
| 00:59 | <&McMartin> | Indeed not~ |
| 00:59 | <&McMartin> | But also without MFC or ATL. |
| 01:00 | | * McMartin gets performance characteristics that can be summarized as "are you *sure* you don't want to use DirectX for this" |
| 01:00 | <&McMartin> | (Nothing awful, just visible flicker on resize) |
| 01:05 | | * [R] found simple GDI to be performant enough |
| 01:05 | <&[R]> | Unless they broke performance since Win98... |
| 01:06 | <&McMartin> | Oh, it's performant just fine |
| 01:06 | <&McMartin> | It's just not utterly flawless |
| 01:06 | <&[R]> | Meh |
| 01:06 | <&McMartin> | The way a GPU-rescale would be |
| 01:10 | <&McMartin> | On any operation but live-resize, it runs fine. |
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| 01:26 | | * McMartin implements his traditional First Graphics Program with Win32/GDI. https://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/screenshots/WinCCA.png |
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| 01:27 | <&McMartin> | Up next: embedding it as a child window in a slightly more sophisticated main window, so that I might actually use that as a testbed for the old program I actually want to adapt. |
| 01:29 | <&McMartin> | Updating that at 50 FPS *does* produce visible tearing, though. |
| 01:29 | <~Vornicus> | yay the cca |
| 01:30 | <&McMartin> | Man, that's using 9.2% of a core. |
| 01:30 | <&McMartin> | Tsk~ |
| 01:41 | | * McMartin replaces the Sleep() call with a timer-based system, gets way better speed out. |
| 01:43 | <&Derakon> | ...yes, that is a good change. |
| 01:43 | <&McMartin> | Also increased CPU utilization, so I guess we can't have everything~ |
| 01:43 | <&McMartin> | But it is probably trying much harder to actually hit that 50fps cadence now. |
| 01:45 | <&McMartin> | 12KB executable, and it's even written in an actual programming language~ |
| 02:07 | | * McMartin blinks |
| 02:07 | <&McMartin> | Hey, and it doesn't appear to be relying on any wacky runtimes, either. I wonder if that's changed in the Win10 SDKs... |
| 02:07 | | * McMartin goes to see what WINE makes of it. |
| 02:10 | <&McMartin> | Oop, nope, welp, there it is |
| 02:10 | <&McMartin> | Gonna have to use a different toolchain once I have it all working theh way I want. |
| 02:24 | <&[R]> | TIL that you have to have an entry in /etc/shadow for the user for passwd to write there, even if the password field in /etc/passwd is x. |
| 02:24 | <&[R]> | (For some reason, I have neither useradd, nor adduser) |
| 02:24 | <&[R]> | (So I am using vim and passwd) |
| 02:48 | <&[R]> | $ chromium |
| 02:48 | <&[R]> | [28704:28718:1003/013115:ERROR:bus.cc(432)] Failed to connect to the bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused |
| 02:48 | <&[R]> | $ ls -l /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket |
| 02:48 | <&[R]> | srwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Oct 3 01:30 /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket |
| 02:48 | <&[R]> | I'm slightly confused to as what chromium is complaining about here |
| 02:48 | <&[R]> | I just started dbus up |
| 02:48 | <&[R]> | I'm not seeing any noise from dbus in /var/log/messages either |
| 03:09 | <&McMartin> | Those of you who have done MinGW cross-compilation: does the cross-compiler have its own version of windows.h or do you need to feed it the headers from a Windows SDK? |
| 03:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | Last time I used it it didn't need me to fetch anything special |
| 03:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | But I'm not sure if that's because it didn't need windows.h, because one of the packages that it had as a dependency pulled it in, or because nothing I wrote depended on windows.h |
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| 03:26 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, that also matches my experience, and my caveats |
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| 03:27 | | * McMartin pulls down mingw32-headers to check. |
| 03:36 | <&McMartin> | /usr/i686-w64-mingw32/sys-root/mingw/include/windows.h is in fact a file. |
| 03:37 | <&McMartin> | And it does in fact indirectly include prototypes for, among other things, CreateWindowExW |
| 04:54 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
| 05:19 | <&McMartin> | Welp. That took me up to 13KB, but now it will preserve the aspect ratio of the stuff it draws. \o/ |
| 05:36 | | * McMartin then gets a MinGW build in, which takes it up to 18KB, but that's still quite reasonable. |
| 05:38 | <&McMartin> | ... WINE's implementation of GDI may actually be faster than Win10's... or maybe it's not correctly implementing SetTimer and thus is just running flat out. |
| 05:41 | <&McMartin> | Given that the CPU usage seems to be 4x under Wine, I'm going to go with "WINE's implementation of SetTimer is bugged" |
| 05:46 | <&McMartin> | 400 lines of code total, it seems. |
| 05:46 | <&McMartin> | Not shabby |
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| 14:14 | < catadroid> | I predict a riot |
| 14:14 | < catadroid> | We've nearly run out of milk and it's only just past lunchtime |
| 14:14 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh dear |
| 14:14 | <@TheWatcher> | I recommend hiding under your desk until the screaming subsides |
| 14:20 | < catadroid> | Already bunkering up |
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| 15:05 | | * TheWatcher hairpulls at html+css |
| 15:06 | <@TheWatcher> | There are 3 pixels here that should not be here. Why are they here?! ARGH |
| 15:29 | | macdjord|slep is now known as macdjord|wurk |
| 16:48 | < catadroid> | I've done about a half hour of actually coding today, but I've got our load times down by a factor of about 4x |
| 17:09 | <@Tamber> | Half an hour of coding, Seven and a half just sitting there thinking real hard? |
| 17:11 | < catadroid> | Seven and a half hours sitting here thinking "god I'm tired I would rather be cuddled up in bed with my boyfriend where is the tea" |
| 17:12 | <@Tamber> | Ah, that feel. |
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| 20:34 | <&[R]> | Fuck. Can someone teach MS how to do non manditory file locking? Having an unusable computer for 2 hours is bullshit. |
| 20:35 | <&McMartin> | It's the same way everyone else pretends to |
| 20:36 | <&McMartin> | e.g., putting all your valuables on the table with a little sign that says "plz do not steel" |
| 20:37 | <&[R]> | ? |
| 20:40 | <&McMartin> | I'm saying advisory locks aren't locks |
| 20:48 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 20:51 | <&McMartin> | (I'm also saying that AFAIK using the techniques for "advisory locks" on POSIX using the file system work fine on NTFS, as long as you don't actually lock the file for real) |
| 20:51 | <&McMartin> | (since that, as you note, locks the file) |
| 20:52 | <&McMartin> | The specific imagery of leaving your priceless magical artifacts on a card table in the middle of the park with a little sign saying "PRICELESS APOCALYPTIC MAGICAL ARTIFACTS, PLZ DO NOT STEAL" is from the late and much-lamented superhero MMO City of Heroes. |
| 20:53 | <&McMartin> | Because that is totally how the low-level Magic arcs seemed to roll. |
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| 22:56 | | * TheWatcher eyes http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/p-humans |
| 22:57 | < catalyst> | IT ME |
| 22:57 | <@Tamber> | Hey, I resemble that remark! |
| 22:57 | | mode/#code [+ooooo catalyst gizmore jeroud Pink catadroid`] by Tamber |
| 22:57 | | Irssi: #code: Total of 39 nicks [39 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 0 normal] |
| 23:09 | | * Vornicus secretly replaces catalyst with either Terry Crews or Dio |
| 23:13 | <@catalyst> | o: |
| 23:14 | <@catalyst> | Dio? |
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| 23:23 | <~Vornicus> | antagonist in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. |
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| 23:35 | <~Vornicus> | famous for showing up and explaining how some terrible thing has happened but it was not the villain they'd expected: it was HIM, DIO! |
| 23:42 | | * McMartin suggests that it might instead be the great DON PAOLO, in disguise! |
| 23:44 | <@catalyst> | :O |
| 23:44 | <@catalyst> | Why are these characters all male |
| 23:44 | <&McMartin> | "Bombastic idiot" codes as male |
| 23:45 | <&McMartin> | At least that style of bombast |
| 23:45 | | * catalyst eyes the US |
| 23:45 | <@catalyst> | oh, right |
| 23:45 | <&McMartin> | The closest female equivalent of that I can come up with is basically Maleficent |
| 23:45 | <&McMartin> | And say what you will |
| 23:45 | <&McMartin> | Maleficent has style |
| 23:46 | <&McMartin> | The great DON PAOLO also has more humble origins, that it turns out the protagonist knows |
| 23:46 | <&McMartin> | I found him much more entertaining once that came out and all the characters realize they'd known him before his supervillainous lifestyle |
| 23:47 | <&McMartin> | And how it continues to drive him nuts from then on he's just "Paul" |
| 23:47 | <~Vornicus> | Hey, dio is from japan |
| 23:47 | <~Vornicus> | I can't even remember where DON PAOLO is from |
| 23:47 | <&McMartin> | Professor Layton |
| 23:48 | <&McMartin> | He had the accordion sting whenever he showed up |
| 23:48 | <~Vornicus> | oh right, him |
| 23:48 | <&McMartin> | And his best moments by far were when he decides he should maybe be saving the day instead |
| 23:48 | <&McMartin> | Especially since this also means accordions = drama and implausible awesomeness |
| 23:49 | <&McMartin> | ... and especially when *that* aspect was imported into the otherwise ill-fated Phoenix Wright crossover, and Wright ends up getting progressively more aggressive accordionality as he presses witnesses ever harder |
| 23:49 | <~Vornicus> | You know something big will happen when the accordions come along |
| 23:49 | <&McMartin> | Indeed. |
| 23:49 | <&McMartin> | I don't know who decided that, and whether they were L5 or Capcom |
| 23:50 | <&McMartin> | But that person was clearly Very Correct About Many Things. |
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| --- Log closed Tue Oct 04 00:00:12 2016 |