| --- Log opened Wed Sep 28 00:00:36 2016 |
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| 01:09 | <&Derakon> | "C++ Emitter" sounds like it's some kind of environmental pollutant. |
| 01:10 | <&Derakon> | Though I guess properly that's the "export" command~ |
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| 01:38 | <&McMartin> | YUS |
| 01:38 | | * McMartin finally finds a smoking gun on this bug that has been bedeviling him for an entire week |
| 01:40 | <&Derakon> | \o/ |
| 01:42 | <&McMartin> | This doesn't give me the bug itself, or how to fix it - indeed, the code responsible for the failure looks pretty OK from here - but I now have logs that are unmistakable re: exactly what is failing. |
| 01:43 | <~Vornicus> | hooray |
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| 03:51 | <&McMartin> | Aaaand now I found what's going wrong, and I can't fix it because it's not our code that's being dumb |
| 03:51 | <&McMartin> | I can maybe make us not break when treated roughly in this way, but that will break other things that we haven't encountered yet but which logic suggests must exist |
| 03:53 | <~Vornicus> | blarg |
| 04:02 | <&McMartin> | In short: We are being fed bad data. We can operate without that bad data, but to do so means to make assumptions about other properties of the data we are being fed |
| 04:02 | <&McMartin> | ... properties that are true on everything we've tried but which show no indication of being invariants that are enforced in any way whatsoever |
| 04:04 | <@celticminstrel> | Seems to be the ideal solution would be to drop the source of bad data in favour of some other source (no idea if that's possible though). |
| 04:04 | <&McMartin> | So, this is a livestreaming app |
| 04:04 | <&McMartin> | So that *could* be done |
| 04:05 | <&McMartin> | It would be "don't try to livestream this game" |
| 04:05 | <&McMartin> | That's... suboptimal |
| 04:05 | <@celticminstrel> | Ah, yes indeed. |
| 04:05 | <&McMartin> | (The bad data we are being fed is the timing information on the video/audio capture.) |
| 04:05 | <&McMartin> | (I'm having trouble imagining that this is even their fault.) |
| 04:06 | <@macdjord> | McMartin: Is the issue that the data is absent or /wrong/? |
| 04:06 | <&McMartin> | macdjord: wrong. |
| 04:07 | <@macdjord> | Bugger. |
| 04:07 | <&McMartin> | Absent *can* happen, in other circumstances, but we're resilient against that |
| 04:07 | <&McMartin> | ... but in part by trusting that timing information. |
| 04:07 | <&McMartin> | So, welp |
| 04:07 | <&McMartin> | I can make the ugly case be "whenever you do something weird, maybe" as opposed to "five times per second" |
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| 04:56 | <&McMartin> | OK, initial tests look good |
| 04:56 | <&McMartin> | But it's 2100 here. Further tests will have to wait until tomorrow when there is a diversity of devices to test on. |
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| 09:58 | | * TheWatcher tries to decide between /api/courses/{year}/users/{course}?role={role} or /api/course/{year}/users/{course}/role/{role} |
| 09:59 | <@TheWatcher> | The latter seems nicer somehow, but the former I could more easily allow comma separated roles to be matched |
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